Yes.
And potentially more shit in there that wasn't measured. Would need additional equipment.
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(US) Vendor gear found with dissolved brewing equipment (Plastic)
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Yes.
And potentially more shit in there that wasn't measured. Would need additional equipment.
Photon
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Pray share.
manbat
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Ghoul
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"Injection bypasses metabolism and first-pass clearance.
A few milligrams of an aniline-type impurity like benzenemethanamine directly into the bloodstream rapidly oxidizes hemoglobin (raising methemoglobin %).
This causes blood to turn chocolate-brown and oxygen desaturation within minutes.
There are no safe injectable levels of such compounds in humans, and pharmaceutical regulators require it must be undetectable in drugs, less than 3 parts per million."
By the way, the antidote for this condition, called methemoglobinemia, is injecting Methylene Blue.
Wanna send the BB control that has PS soaked in it for GPC. Not a controlled substance so no issue with Eurofins or other big lab. Would easily confirm presence of PS with GPC.
I will contribute.
Nails the issue with TRE400 as well if confirmed. If additive detected you can be damn sure some of the polymer is going for the ride as well.
When i used to work in an analytical lab
I'd never encountered using syringe filters to filter oil samples
Why, because the cheap syringes with the rubber plunger tip, weak hands leading to bursts of oil samples, and hot oil
Not even cellulose, because it traps cholesterol like molecules. So you filter the oil before you brew the roid, and you re purify the raw in a solvent before you weigh it.
Filtering after making a finished product is alien to me, as well as difficult to fix
Is this a case of hot enough oil dissolving the filter?
Cus for me, I'd need something metal encased that withstands the pressure that has good leverage for me to apply force, fibreglass filter medium
I'd never encountered using syringe filters to filter oil samples
Why, because the cheap syringes with the rubber plunger tip, weak hands leading to bursts of oil samples, and hot oil
Not even cellulose, because it traps cholesterol like molecules. So you filter the oil before you brew the roid, and you re purify the raw in a solvent before you weigh it.
Filtering after making a finished product is alien to me, as well as difficult to fix
Is this a case of hot enough oil dissolving the filter?
Cus for me, I'd need something metal encased that withstands the pressure that has good leverage for me to apply force, fibreglass filter medium
sionnach
Banned
Wrong benzenemethanamine
Ghoul
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What color does this one turn your blood?
Is that the new answer for high hematocrit?
sionnach
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Thanks, but I'm out. I admire your efforts though. Hope you guys have a great time.
Photon
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Not really. I understand that gcms isn't the perfect test for it, but this is what shows up on it when the plastic piece is fully dissolved in bb.
At this point it's a sunk cost for me. I have no plans to use any of their gear in future. Plenty have bought their gear. I've already done the initial legwork and if they're concerned I'm sure they can do what's needed and get their gear tested. I believe what is encouraged here is to 'test your gear' and not rely on people to test.
There's also the fact that 3rd party and vendor testing are not in sync which means that multiple batches may be at play. We don't really know what we're testing lol.
Tbaz192
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I have Sustanon 250 I believe. Should still be batch 01, just sitting in my cabinet.
I’m not fully up to date on all the testing recently.
Is it suspected that all of the brewed gear from Primal is contaminated due to the plastic/filter they use?
Depending how much that jano test costs for detecting contaminates. I could possibly send some off this weekend.
Because that was rough to read that both tests came back with plastic in them. Rip.
Rather not get a fuckin embolism from plastic.
I’m not fully up to date on all the testing recently.
Is it suspected that all of the brewed gear from Primal is contaminated due to the plastic/filter they use?
Depending how much that jano test costs for detecting contaminates. I could possibly send some off this weekend.
Because that was rough to read that both tests came back with plastic in them. Rip.
Rather not get a fuckin embolism from plastic.
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I keep meaning to post this in one of the threads where those inline filter multidose adapters got suggested but keep forgetting, since last I posted about them they had been fine and that I planned to use up the ones I had purchased. But since this directly reminded me:
I'm fairly certain the BB dissolving the polycarb in them resulted in sterile abscesses at the injection sites. It ended up impacting me in 4 places. I didn't notice the first two because they were quite small and didn't result in much pain, the 3rd I started to notice on the 3rd day after the injection (unfortunately after I had already done the 4th injection). The third grew to a decent size, and the fourth even larger, which made me start poking and prodding to see if I had any more - and sure enough, found the first two with shapes and a feel to them very different from a usual oil depot.
The first and second have completely disappeared after about a month, the third is nearly gone, and the fourth is about 10% of the size it was. My suspicion is that as the polycarb continued to leech, I was getting higher and higher concentrations of plastic each injection.
I don't reuse needles at all, wipe everything down with isopropyl. Never showed signs of the abscesses being infected. Never had any issues before this or anything after. But sitting there waffling going back and forth about whether or not I should go and get them drained at the hospital, if I should be getting antibiotics, pain from these large lumps at the injection sites, etc., has given me a VERY strong aversion to the idea of injecting any more dissolved plastic into my body.
Edit: This was a good reminder for me to go reply to that thread, so did so there as well. I can't definitively prove it was the polycarb leeching into the oil, but I'm wary enough that it was that I've since switched to filtering into new vials and just drawing normally with a needle.
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My brains a little fried with all this high level chemistry but obviously referencing your last post you said you wouldn’t be using their gear, is it safe to just assume that any higher content gear might be contaminated?
Luckily primal offers a pretty generous reimbursement for testing.
Dial It In
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As the testing continues this could perhaps be a much different issue then worrying about testing reimbursement.
@readalot is there any way that the testing fund can be coordinated for those with products wanted for testing? I know some financially may be able to provide said samples if they have this option. I may be wiling to reimburse some for their product loss for submitting the sample if they have that concern.
Dial It In
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What was you running? Mr. Red pill had an issue at the early onsite of T400 I believe.
I’d be willing to contribute to testing as well!
Test E 250/Primo200/Deca200, various vendors. (These were from vendors on SST, not Meso. To be clear, just giving my input on the "injecting dissolved plastics" bit, nothing specific to the vendors in this discussion.)
Not my first vials of these from the same orders/batches - more like the 5th or 6th, depending on the compound - and no issues with the first 75% of these vials. It only started happening towards the end of the vial.
If the spikes/filters weren't compromised, they should have caught any potential floaters/bacteria that could have caused abscesses, too.
Dial It In
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Understood and thank you for clarifying.
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