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for muscle building purposes (not performance in any sport), while on a lean bulk which one would you choose?

Anavar or Tbol?

I’d be combining it with a test base btw
 
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sepsin said:
yeah tbh I think I’ll just up the test dose instead of adding an oral.

I’ll start at 300mg/week to gauge aromatization and from there I’ll up it until the most I can handle without having to use an AI, not sure if it makes sense?

I’m also considering just adding some gh throughout the cycle, since I have a good source and it’s always a boost.
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what do you think? @Slowww
 
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sepsin said:
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also I'm planning on 4IU's daily for 6 months
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4IU might simply be a replacement dose @ that age
exogenous gh stops your body from producing gh

pull IGF labs first before deciding whether to hop on gh
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Thread 'Post up your Natty IGF-1 Level'

So what is your IGF-1 level when not injecting any hgh?

I saw this guy complaining about being in the mid-200s, which looked high to me:

IGF-1 level and HGH replacement

TLDR: At what level of IGF-1 would you consider adding in a replacement dose of HGH? I'm almost 40 with a public safety job. I'm beat up. I've been thinking about adding in an HRT dose of 2iu GH to my 150mg TRT. But my last 2 IGF-1's have been 223 and 254 which are towards the top of the...
thinksteroids.com thinksteroids.com

Mine are only 83 (range 50-317 ng/mL, so technically in range and not low, LOL)


What is your natty IGF-1 level?
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sepsin said:
both Tbol or Var would be pharma grade.

now in regards to training, rest and diet, I don’t see how that would affect the choice.

Obv I’m trying to compare both ceteris paribus (meaning the training, diet, and rest would be the same in each scenario).

But thanks for your answer
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This tells me you have no idea what you are talking about. Turinabol stopped being produced by drug companies over two decades ago, anything on the market is UGL.

You need some hamburgers, not drugs.
 
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Photon said:
4IU might simply be a replacement dose @ that age
exogenous gh stops your body from producing gh
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I'm sure that your much more knowledgeable than me in this regard but from every literature that I've found (as well as chatgpt to be completely honest) 1-1.5 IU p/ day (max) is a replacement dose.

So 4 IUs seems to be def supraphyisiological.

Also, yeah it'd stop my natural production of GH, but as soon as I stopped the cycle, the endogenous production rebounds.
 
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wp_375 said:
This tells me you have no idea what you are talking about. Turinabol stopped being produced by drug companies over two decades ago, anything on the market is UGL.

You need some hamburgers, not drugs.
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my bad then, they would be both from UGL.

But either way, I won't proceed with combining test with an oral. I'll just up the test dose as much as I can without needing an AI, and might as well add some GH
 
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sepsin said:
my bad then, they would be both from UGL.

But either way, I won't proceed with combining test with an oral. I'll just up the test dose as much as I can without needing an AI, and might as well add some GH
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Do mind that UG and Prescribed GH can differ in quality. As such, users may find themselves using more UG HGH for the same effect as prescribed HGH.
 
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Photon said:
4IU might simply be a replacement dose @ that age
exogenous gh stops your body from producing gh

pull IGF labs first before deciding whether to hop on gh
malfeasance

Thread 'Post up your Natty IGF-1 Level'

So what is your IGF-1 level when not injecting any hgh?

I saw this guy complaining about being in the mid-200s, which looked high to me:

IGF-1 level and HGH replacement

TLDR: At what level of IGF-1 would you consider adding in a replacement dose of HGH? I'm almost 40 with a public safety job. I'm beat up. I've been thinking about adding in an HRT dose of 2iu GH to my 150mg TRT. But my last 2 IGF-1's have been 223 and 254 which are towards the top of the...
thinksteroids.com thinksteroids.com

Mine are only 83 (range 50-317 ng/mL, so technically in range and not low, LOL)


What is your natty IGF-1 level?
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thanks for sharing that thread bro.

I'll get my IGF-1 tested than and see what my levels are.

Either way, what IGF-1 level would be worth to hit if I went ahead and added GH to my test cycle? like 400ng/dl of igf?
 
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sepsin said:
what do you think? @Slowww
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Yes I think this is a better idea. Since it’s your first time make sure you have an AI on hand, some people need it even at just 300mg per week. For me I need the same ai at 300 or 500, and I just had to find that out with trial and error. So err on the side of caution. Also even though you might not need an AI, acne and so on may be a factor at low doses and when you introduce new hormones, so you might want to get something prepared for that too.

Gh 4-5 is totally enough. I think at your height once you get around 190-200 pounds, more is helpful. If you go higher especially during initial use (like up to 10 as a first time user) you might run into some trouble
Just remember when you start gh, titrate up. You said 1-1.5 is replacement, I agree, and slightly higher than that is where I would recommend initiating a protocol. Don’t rush it, so that you can avoid sides.
 
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Eddie. said:
If you're 70kg at 1,86 you don't need any orals. Crank up the test and the food, both of the orals will do only so little in terms of adding real tissue, close to nothing. Same goes for every ped if not sufficient food is not in
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Amen let's get two pros opinions. It's always the guys that stay the same size running around this forum talking about drugs on every sources thread...


View: https://youtu.be/BPBuIOXMvL0
 
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Biggerisbetternl said:
I always wanted to try real var, it is rumored to be very good stuff. Tbol I never really heard much about so I'd probably go with var.
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sepsin said:
for muscle building purposes (not performance in any sport), while on a lean bulk which one would you choose?

Anavar or Tbol?

I’d be combining it with a test base btw
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I personally like tbol it’s a good fucking oral if you want mass take tbol with higher than 300mg test I’d start at 450 and 40-50 mgs of tbol split into 2/3 doses and go to failure tbol will help you get those extra reps Trust I’ve ran both many times var is for cutting take tbol as long as it’s real you will get the results you want and make sure your diet is locked in no amount of peds will help if diet isn’t locked in
 
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Jim2561 said:
For muscle building (dose dependant) Turinabol is probably your best bet out of the two. Its also better for stamina.
For strength/mind muscle connection and if on a cut Var would be better. Obviously theres other factors as to how successful it would be personally for you.
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The pump from tbol and anavar also feels different and i tend to favor the pump from tbol because it’s not debilitating to forearms and won’t cause occasional cramps like anavar. I definitely feel more endurance on tbol 2 hour arm days with 20 rep sets feel great. Var I kinda feel bit of a strength increase and for sure the muscle contractions are very crispy. Var can also give me some wicked heartburn during training which can be avoided by taking a 40mg omeraprazole preworkout.
 
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