Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[Western-Biotech]

My question stands: WHO are we dealing with if one were to order this gh?

If this question was referred to me, then my reply is very clear -

You deal with me with all that has to do with the Somastim. I'm responsible to any issue from a to z.

As we have confronted in the past quality issues with China, we invested in our full quality assurance measure, all tests for purity and potency are done along all the steps from bacteria to final product are done by us, and any independent test will meet them. This is again my clear statement

The only tests which we send outside are pyrogen, toxin and sterility, no need for us to hold such equipment in our facility, considering that these are not expensive tests which done on each batch.

Test us and see. For the sake of testing - manipualte me, order, make up issues and see how I confront them, pls .

 

[Western-Biotech]

DNML - if you dealt with a distributor, and confronted any quality issues they must be brought to my attention, never ever such happened. For instance I talked now to a member who got a product from a remailer who stole products from me, shipped them, while I clearly state on other place that this batch was flawed and repalced it - inquire on other major forum, just as an example, so who bares the responsibility ? who fucked who ?
so first lets use some common sense - if you order from a distributor then you deal with him, if he proves me that Sciroxx fucked up then of course I'm responsible, I came here in purpose to take responsibility on my services and products.

I estimate that we confront quality issues with China in like 25% of the cases we get raws, our basic testing and experience enabled us to eliminate this to about 3-4% issues with products which arrive to customers. In any such case always the customer has a full back up. Inquire qith anyone who talked to me. Sciroxx is one of the known bgrands for a reason.

In order to supply pharma grade quality with the Somastim, and this is as you see and will see, not a bold statement, we are manufacturing everythinhg from a to z our selves, and test it in place, ask lighspan or anyone you bring, ANYONE, to test us from any angle and confirm this.
I posted out mess spec as well as other tests, I state again and again - any independent lab test will match them, test and confirm !

 

[flenser]

I estimate that we confront quality issues with China in like 25% of the cases we get raws, our basic testing and experience enabled us to eliminate this to about 3-4% issues with products which arrive to customers. In any such case always the customer has a full back up. Inquire qith anyone who talked to me. Sciroxx is one of the known bgrands for a reason.

Can you clarify that line? It looks like you are saying that currently 3-4% of your customers experience problems related to the raws you get from China. I must be misreading that...

 

[Western-Biotech]

Along years I estimate that we encounter issues with about 3-4% of the products due to issues from suppliers in china, last fiasco was way to big to accept, and as I said I had to repalce 100000usd value products, again this is a fact, a couple of memebrs here got from me a refund and they posted here their confirmation and appreciation to this - check.

This is why we invested in our own facility and make everything from a to z

 

[dnml]

If this question was referred to me, then my reply is very clear -

You deal with me with all that has to do with the Somastim. I'm responsible to any issue from a to z.

As we have confronted in the past quality issues with China, we invested in our full quality assurance measure, all tests for purity and potency are done along all the steps from bacteria to final product are done by us, and any independent test will meet them. This is again my clear statement

The only tests which we send outside are pyrogen, toxin and sterility, no need for us to hold such equipment in our facility, considering that these are not expensive tests which done on each batch.

Test us and see. For the sake of testing - manipualte me, order, make up issues and see how I confront them, pls .

Great. Thank you. You are on record.

 

[dnml]

DNML - if you dealt with a distributor, and confronted any quality issues they must be brought to my attention, never ever such happened. For instance I talked now to a member who got a product from a remailer who stole products from me, shipped them, while I clearly state on other place that this batch was flawed and repalced it - inquire on other major forum, just as an example, so who bares the responsibility ? who fucked who ?
so first lets use some common sense - if you order from a distributor then you deal with him, if he proves me that Sciroxx fucked up then of course I'm responsible, I came here in purpose to take responsibility on my services and products.

I estimate that we confront quality issues with China in like 25% of the cases we get raws, our basic testing and experience enabled us to eliminate this to about 3-4% issues with products which arrive to customers. In any such case always the customer has a full back up. Inquire qith anyone who talked to me. Sciroxx is one of the known bgrands for a reason.

In order to supply pharma grade quality with the Somastim, and this is as you see and will see, not a bold statement, we are manufacturing everythinhg from a to z our selves, and test it in place, ask lighspan or anyone you bring, ANYONE, to test us from any angle and confirm this.
I posted out mess spec as well as other tests, I state again and again - any independent lab test will match them, test and confirm !

To clarify, I've never dealt with you or your distributor.

I simply found it disturbing to keep reading that you would blame your distributor and say that you are not responsible because you personally weren't involved.

And I still find it concerning; you say you're here to accept responsibility yet you place all these ridiculous conditions on it.

If YOUR distributor is screwing ppl, then YOU need to get rid of them and then YOU need to take care of the customer. Cost of doing business.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Dnml - I agree with your claims, I don't work with this distributor, I came here in person and dedicate myself to any issue now with the quality, I stated in advance we offer pharma garde, and the tests now confirm this. I PMed to anyone who had an issue in the past, I said and say again - non of this was brought to my attention, not by a mail from the customer to Sciroxx.om nor from the supplier

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Dnml - I agree with your claims, I don't work with this distributor, I came here in person and dedicate myself to any issue now with the quality, I stated in advance we offer pharma garde, and the tests now confirm this. I PMed to anyone who had an issue in the past, I said and say again - non of this was brought to my attention, not by a mail from the customer to Sciroxx.om nor from the supplier

You're a fucking liar, I wish I had the emails to shove down your throat.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Pls send me e-mails, I mailed now anyone who had an issue, inquire around,

I respect you, as I respect the forum, so I don't want to call u a liar, but if you would have talked to me you would get a honest support and reply.

I'm still looking for some one who dealt with me and not 100% happy, and not with some shipper who stole things or god knows what, I still chalange u

 

[flenser]

Along years I estimate that we encounter issues with about 3-4% of the products due to issues from suppliers in china, last fiasco was way to big to accept, and as I said I had to repalce 100000usd value products, again this is a fact, a couple of memebrs here got from me a refund and they posted here their confirmation and appreciation to this - check.

That explains a lot, thanks. That is a huge percentage for most business models.

 

[Western-Biotech]

That explains a lot, thanks. That is a huge percentage for most business models.

It's much worst then u think, I may specify more, it literally killed my credability. And I assure you that any lab confront this.

This is why with the GH we established our own production, as I said, and you may inquire - this is millions dollars venture, so I joined forces with few other big players in this industry, but I may say again and again that I have full control over the quality, and u get nothing but pharma grade

 

[Western-Biotech]

Last batch of GH from China, which we got from a production line which proved in the past to be relaible, was tested for 3 proteins that no one could recognize, this is how bad it is.

and I have best contacts in China as you may imagine

 

[muscle96ss]

I got my results back from my serum test of Karl's new GH, 26.8(I posted a pic of the actual lab scan on Professional Muscle if anybody is looking for validation).

Let me first say that I do not support Karl as I do not support anyone; I just report what I see and do my best to protect the honest and expose the dishonest. As I have posted earlier in this thread, Karl and I got off to a really bad start back in march of this year when he sent me 5 kits of bunk GH. I ripped him a new asshole on multiple occasions through e-mail, PM's, and even in his thread on Professional Muscle that he pays for as a sponsor. He was very evasive, his story changed all the time, and I just didn't have a good feeling about things. Anyway, 5 months later he has done everything that he promised to do and I have a better understanding of what all went down at that time. Basically what happened was that Karl purchased a shitload of GH from a Chinese Biotech company and had them dropship his product to customers. I knew the name of the Biotech company he was using based on the package I received and after realizing the GH was bunk I did some research on them. From my research I learned that they had a bad reputation and were not legit. I turned over all the information to Karl including the name of the owner down to the car she drove so that he knew I was not making the shit up. I don't know if he was in denial or what but it took him quite some time to finally admit that the biotech company had screwed him out of a lot of money and that he had shipped out a shitload of bunk GH to pissed off customers whom all wanted refunds. At that time he realized that the only way to protect himself in the future would be to have control over the manufacturing process. He told me of his intentions and while on one hand I wanted to laugh and think he is full of shit on the other hand he was name dropping people whom he didn't realize I knew of in the industry who could lead him to legit GH. He kept me in the loop as things developed and in the end made good on what he owed me. Anyway, just wanted to give everyone some background information as I don't have any grudge against Karl for what happened and think that he has good intentions and think he has good quality legit GH at this point in time. For him to go to all this trouble and pay back what he owes everyone, he would be a fool to chance screwing it up again; it would have been easier to walk away. However, I am still curious to see a mass spec and see what the purity is.

 

[Flounder]

"I knew the name of the Biotech company he was using based on the package I received and after realizing the GH was bunk I did some research on them. From my research I learned that they had a bad reputation and were not legit."
How come you can research this company and see they are not worth a shit, yet Karl doesn't have the sense to find this out for himself. Karl is either a really bad businessman or a pretty good scammer, until he gets caught again. It just doesn't make any sense. Someone explain this to me.

 

[muscle96ss]

Its real simple, the company produced fake lab reports and sold him; just like many scammers on these boards do. The research I conducted was not research that a normal person would be able to do. What I did was contact an acquantance of mine who is familiar with the Chinese GH scenario and all the players involved(from an inside point of view), and asked him what he knew about the company. But yes, I agree, I thought a good businessman like Karl should have been smarter.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Very simple - I dealt with this Chinese company in the past, and may show good serum tests with them, I establishede the contact with them through a reliable doc from Korea, like all Chinese they failed.

It is muscles96 interpentation that they're shitty, they turned to be shitty, and I also know what caused this, but they supplied solid UG quality before, and again serum tests from there were posted for more then one year

 

[Western-Biotech]

I agree with you flounder and muscles96 - the last fiasco with the GH from China was a quite pathetic mistake of mine, I should have expcted it. As a comment - multiple good GH srouces confronted the same issue. You all know the problematic nature of the Chinese bunk GH, lies and manipulations, I relied on false tests, my bad.

The lesson is learned, and no matter the costs, we established our own production, and committed ourselves to western pharma quality, it's an achievment no one in this industry accomplished.

I explain again - once you own the technology and the engineered bacteria, nothing prevents you from supplying the same quality consistently

 

[Jimmyhoffa59]

I gotta say Karl has answered every single one of my annoying questions openly. I appreciate his divulging of details for me personally to set my mind at ease. The dude wouldnt still be commenting on here so diligently just to nig everyone, it's not like he is forcing anyone to buy. While I have no experience, he communicates well and that goes far with me.

 

[Flounder]

I gotta say Karl has answered every single one of my annoying questions openly. I appreciate his divulging of details for me personally to set my mind at ease. The dude wouldnt still be commenting on here so diligently just to nig everyone, it's not like he is forcing anyone to buy. While I have no experience, he communicates well and that goes far with me.

Brother most good scammers do communicate well. That's what makes them so good. I have a philosophy that really works well. "The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior." I'm not saying Karl is setting up a scam but let's just say I will not be surprised if this ends as one.

 

[Western-Biotech]

U have some inheret stupidity to say so ...

I'm just 12 years in the game, founded few of the most known and reputable labs, and came here despite you're so hostile, and offer some sincere replies, and very valid scientific lab tests. Whom exactly I scammed ?!

I STILL CHALLANGE U TO FIND ME ONE PERSON WITH WHOM I DEALT IN PERSON AND SAY NOTHING BUT GOOD THINGS, PLS ..... AWAITING ....