Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[Western-Biotech]

What type of relationship does western biotech have with the pharm companies? If any at all. Asking since you've said you can produce FDA quality growth.

The technology was bought from a very very well established western R&D institue. they do cooperate with the biggest brands, though these are not the question I would ask them, and if I knew I wouldn't reveal here of course.

We have no affiliation with any pharm company, they wouldn't like to have any relationship with us, not offically anyhow,

 

[Voltrader]

Karl will you provide any documentation on any test thus far on quality of product? Also some pics of lab equipment just a peek into this lab . No need to see a building lol. Not that any of these can't be faked but as we know gh even at 4 dollars a iu is not a cheap venture it could help calm some concerns. It is just one of those situations you are trying to fill a large void that is needed. So as the saying goes if it is to good to be true.......that's all. I really hope you guys are it but because of this one must remain skeptical.

 

[dper726]

The technology was bought from a very very well established western R&D institue. they do cooperate with the biggest brands, though these are not the question I would ask them, and if I knew I wouldn't reveal here of course.

We have no affiliation with any pharm company, they wouldn't like to have any relationship with us, not offically anyhow,

The technology was bought from a very very well established western R&D institue. they do cooperate with the biggest brands, though these are not the question I would ask them, and if I knew I wouldn't reveal here of course.

We have no affiliation with any pharm company, they wouldn't like to have any relationship with us, not offically anyhow,

That's fine, I didn't expect them to have any known affiliation but wanted to give you the opportunity to clear that line because of what I'm going to mention next.

I'm not trying to give you a hard time.... but I want to clear something here because I want to protect the members interest. You have no affiliation with any pharm western companies therefore your product is not FDA quality as you claim on a same level comparison, and it is simply nothing more then at the ugl level, or maybe even rather on same same level as a Chinese generic. But your processing of your product does not meet FDA approval hence your product is nothing more then a generic. I will admit generics can have good quality and there is still room for you to showcase the quality in your product. That's why I'm not denouncing you from here. But would rather appreciate if you stopped drawing comparisons to FDA hgh because of simply compatible equipment. At the end of the day you don't have regulations to meet other then the one you set upon yourself.

 

[event462]

I'm suprised at how nice everyone is being today! I'm curious as to how this will unfold over the next few days.

 

[whodatnation]

This can't be Fucking real. Obvious troll....right? Shit I've been looking for a fda,kinda fda or even someone that just says fda hgh source. Count me in bro.

So essentially I need to take your word that you'll set fda standards to your lab and never once take a shortcut to earn more money. Come on man

 

[Trw008]

Interesting but at $400 for 100iu would like to see some evidence of quality when some sources sell same for much less. If it is as you say then I'm sure lots would be okay dropping 400 for 100 iu but not if it only beings you to 15 or 16

 

[Western-Biotech]

Karl will you provide any documentation on any test thus far on quality of product? Also some pics of lab equipment just a peek into this lab . No need to see a building lol. Not that any of these can't be faked but as we know gh even at 4 dollars a iu is not a cheap venture it could help calm some concerns. It is just one of those situations you are trying to fill a large void that is needed. So as the saying goes if it is to good to be true.......that's all. I really hope you guys are it but because of this one must remain skeptical.

A set of tests is done along the process of manufacturing

For instance we get from a FDA approved supplier the excipients, but we do make full toxins and Pyrogen tests to the excipients exactly as dictated in any FDA facility - these tests won't interest u much, they're done in an official lab BTW - I think there are called LAL tests, we don't have the need for such equipment in our testing unit as we get excipients once in a while.
We're concentrated in the chemical purity of the product, and the potency (biological activity), these are done in our facility. I'll get them in a couple of days when visit there is person.

We basically test the purity of the GH first to meet FDA standards (actually always higher) - and I emphasize in purpose - FDA standards.

We then confirm the biological activity of it on living human tissue. This is interesting, I'll try to get it tomorrow, no promises.
So basically you may have a HPLC (device which recognize a material very accuratley) to identify and quantify the GH in a product (which we test in the chemical assay tests), but the GH is a very delicate protein, and the slightest change in it's 3 dimentional structure may interfere with its biological activity - for instance a very minor change in the folding of the long molecule in the binding area to the receptor will prevent activation of the receptor. Let me give you an analogy - you may hold a coin of 25 cents which is legit - it was released by the bank, and anyone will accept it, but when you put it into an automated machine which sells u a soda drink it'll just fall down (and if u try again it'll just not accept it again and again), something in the structure of the coin was harmed, so the machine doesn't recognize it. This is exactly the case with GH - if you extracted and purified the GH in cheap inferior techniques (like done in China for instance, and we did test Chiese generic, and this is worst then u would expect) the 3 dimentional structure of the GH molecule may be harmed, or at least part of the molecules u extract are harmed, and the GH won't have its biological effect, so even if you do see GH in a serum test it's still not active.

 

[Western-Biotech]

That's fine, I didn't expect them to have any known affiliation but wanted to give you the opportunity to clear that line because of what I'm going to mention next.

I'm not trying to give you a hard time.... but I want to clear something here because I want to protect the members interest. You have no affiliation with any pharm western companies therefore your product is not FDA quality as you claim on a same level comparison, and it is simply nothing more then at the ugl level, or maybe even rather on same same level as a Chinese generic. But your processing of your product does not meet FDA approval hence your product is nothing more then a generic. I will admit generics can have good quality and there is still room for you to showcase the quality in your product. That's why I'm not denouncing you from here. But would rather appreciate if you stopped drawing comparisons to FDA hgh because of simply compatible equipment. At the end of the day you don't have regulations to meet other then the one you set upon yourself.

I understand and justify your concern.

I'll make it clear -

We're certainly not a licensed FDA approved facility/product

The quality we offer by any standards is identical to any FDA approved GH product (by some standards like purity it higher - you'll test it in the future - I knwo members here have an access to HPLC). We adhere to the exactly the same quality assuarnce measures.

I guess it's my job to prove my statements, but I appreciate your attention and cooperation, and I guess that time will tell

 

[pumpingiron22]

Are you willing send out samples to members to try and or for testing? What is your email security? What forms of payment do you take? Need more input?

 

[lightspan]

Hi. Regarding pictures, you need to show the reactors in which you are growing the organism. What organism are you using? E. Coli? Are you growing them, then inducing them via an inducible promoter? How are you isolating and purifying the hormone? Be specific please.

I think when you are saying "FDA compliant" you could be a bit more precise and say you are "cGMP compliant," if that is what you mean.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Only E coli are currently in use for this purpose around the world, and so in our operation.

There is no other way to prodeuce GH but taking the engineered bacteria, which we keep frozen at -80C, then induce it to growth rapidely under optimal conditions. There is no use in a reactor in this process(this is not engineered chemisry, but biotechnology) but a fermentor is used for this process.

Regarding purification etc' - there are 2 critical pillars in this process which are

1. Getting the engineered bacteria

2. using an effective optimal process to extract and purify the protein we're interested in (GH in this case) without harming it.

so I guess that I won't give u the engineered bacteria, nor specify much on the purification process which is the million dollars technology issue here.
BTW - if you google on this subject you'll see published info on purification process of recombinant GH, we use similiar but upgraded method, if I specify more u may indirectly recognize from official published medical info from which institute we got the technology

 

[brutus79]

Is the product shipped from europe to you cold? Is it kept cold shipped to the end user?

Lightspan- you are a serious guy... thanks for making me feel like an idiot.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Are you willing send out samples to members to try and or for testing? What is your email security? What forms of payment do you take? Need more input?

I'll post a mail in a couple of hours

I have vast experience in offering free gear, and not a good one, it also doesn't "smell good" if u know what I mean. What I do for u is offering the very special deal of 1+1 for free, this actually offers the product is close to cost current price (and a fraction of the cost of a pharma product, which as you'll see has the same quality). This will enable you as a community to test the product randomly ! this is the real test

 

[whodatnation]

Okay, now I'm slightly interested. At the very least you've shown some knowledge. This is what we need bro. We've seen every hook, line and sinker here. The next thing I like is that you didn't fall for the bait and lose your professionalism once you were slightly attacked, he he he I'm guilty. Continue on

 

[lightspan]

Only E coli are currently in use for this purpose around the world, and so in our operation.

There is no other way to prodeuce GH but taking the engineered bacteria, which we keep frozen at -80C, then induce it to growth rapidely under optimal conditions. There is no use in a reactor in this process(this is not engineered chemisry, but biotechnology) but a fermentor is used for this process.

Regarding purification etc' - there are 2 critical pillars in this process which are

1. Getting the engineered bacteria

2. using an effective optimal process to extract and purify the protein we're interested in (GH in this case) without harming it.

so I guess that I won't give u the engineered bacteria, nor specify much on the purification process which is the million dollars technology issue here.
BTW - if you google on this subject you'll see published info on purification process of recombinant GH, we use similiar but upgraded method, if I specify more u may indirectly recognize from official published medical info from which institute we got the technology

Thanks for the reply. Your response confirms you have some idea what you are talking about. With respect to the reactors, fermenters are reactors, I think something is lost in translation. Sprechen sie Deutsch?

 

[Western-Biotech]

Is the product shipped from europe to you cold? Is it kept cold shipped to the end user?

Lightspan- you are a serious guy... thanks for making me feel like an idiot.

Product is shipped from Europe

Product is stable in powder for in room temperature up to 4 weeks

 

[Voltrader]

Is the product shipped from europe to you cold? Is it kept cold shipped to the end user?

Lightspan- you are a serious guy... thanks for making me feel like an idiot.

At least he is on our team Brutus. I smiled at his post. I was like good I can shut up now. Now all I have to do is support what Lightspan asks for.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Thanks for the reply. Your response confirms you have some idea what you are talking about. With respect to the reactors, fermenters are reactors, I think something is lost in translation. Sprechen sie Deutsch?

In my language reactor is used for a chemical reaction, fermentor is used for cultivating bacteria, if I said somehting not clear I'm sorry,

 

[lightspan]

In my language reactor is used for a chemical reaction, fermentor is used for cultivating bacteria, if I said somehting not clear I'm sorry,

No worries, I gathered English is not your first language. We use "fermentor," "bioreactor" and "reactor" fairly interchangeably in English, at least in the biofuels (recombinant yeast) space.

I confirm the lyophilized (dry) powder is stable at room temperature for about a month. Check the genotropin insert PDF online.

I'm interested. How do you propose validating the material? Via serum tests? Will you provide samples and reimburse for serum testing?

 

[Nitrobuste]

I am willed to test your HG. You said 1+1. What exactly do you mean ?