What are some "feel good" steroids

[Turbo charged]

Primo and anodrol I feel great

 

[Theworm]

Best I ever felt was on test 4-500 and deca 3-400, somewhere around those doses

 

[EazyE]

Test, Mast, Dbol, proviron, nandrolone (NPP), Primo

test/mast cycle is absolutely the best overall feel good IMO

 

[Grab Bag]

Anyone know which steroids improve mood and happiness?

In your experience?

You should not be using steroids to improve your mood. There are safer and more proven alternatives for mood.

Do not chase “feel good” steroids. Beyond replacement dose testosterone you should not be relying on AAS for any mood boost. Steroids should be used to grow muscle. Period.

If you suffer from a serious mood disorder you should visit a therapist and consider a mild anti depressant like Wellbutrin.

 

[Deleted member 59947]

You should not be using steroids to improve your mood. There are safer and more proven alternatives for mood.

Do not chase “feel good” steroids. Beyond replacement dose testosterone you should not be relying on AAS for any mood boost. Steroids should be used to grow muscle. Period.

If you suffer from a serious mood disorder you should visit a therapist and consider a mild anti depressant like Wellbutrin.

That's some crazy short-sighted bro science you got here.

Testosterone is way safer than any SSRI or anti depressant you can think of.

And who's to say AAS should only be used for muscle building?
Testosterone's action as an anti depressant is well recognized.

I personnally use testosterone for the mood lifting, confidence, joie de vivre, horniness, go-get-it feeling exclusively.

Yes I look bigger on it, but that's a side effect for me, I couldn't care less.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

That's some crazy short-sighted bro science you got here.

Testosterone is way safer than any SSRI or anti depressant you can think of.

And who's to say AAS should only be used for muscle building?
Testosterone's action as an anti depressant is well recognized.

I personnally use testosterone for the mood lifting, confidence, joie de vivre, horniness, go-get-it feeling exclusively.

Yes I look bigger on it, but that's a side effect for me, I couldn't care less.

joie de vivre????

MESO is soft as fuck now

[emoji1787]

 

[MFAAS]

Damn this sounds so good and i want to try NPP sometime, but people are telling me crazy stories about how they turn into jealous and anxious mess about their girlfriend and slowly kill the relationship without realizing it...

I love NPP. It makes me feel great mentally and physically. I get the sweats for sure, like what most people say they get on tren, I get on NPP.

I get essentially zero mental side effects though except for sometimes having a shorter fuse where I get more irritated at things than I otherwise would have. But it never results in anger bursts or anything I just get sassy and annoyed. I want to fuck 3x per day on NPP and it gives me an amazing look. Contrary to what some say, I never look bloated or soft on NPP. That said, I am very lean already, but I feel like NPP really is a nicely aesthetic compound for me too.

Overall, it is my favorite compound to bulk on by far. My next cycle I am thinking of trying 20-25 mg MENT per day to bulk with just to see how it goes. I have ben taking 5 mg per day for the last 2 months and love it, but that was on top of other stuff. Basically for my next bulk I might try MENT instead of NPP for a while to see how it goes.

Otherwise I'll just do my usual 500 test, 350 NPP, and 50 mg Anavar per day. Probably throw that 5 mg of MENT on top again to just because I like the way it makes me feel.

 

[MFAAS]

You should not be using steroids to improve your mood. There are safer and more proven alternatives for mood.

Do not chase “feel good” steroids. Beyond replacement dose testosterone you should not be relying on AAS for any mood boost. Steroids should be used to grow muscle. Period.

If you suffer from a serious mood disorder you should visit a therapist and consider a mild anti depressant like Wellbutrin.

I think people need to figure out what they need. If someone has a mood disorder, they certainly should have a hormone panel to determine if their hormones are balanced and at sufficient levels. Popping pills to mask depression that is caused by low Test is not a good fix, especially long term. I did that for quiet some time, I was on tons of various antidepressants and antianxiety meds. Wellbutrin thankfully isn't physically addictive, but many of the other ones are and they can be EXTREMELY hard to come off of. Not to mention black box warnings that come along with them.

I'm not saying Testosterone fixes everything, but if someone has Low T, that should definitely be treated first before throwing pills at them (although the pharmaceutical companies would much prefer it the other way around). If TRT doesn't solve their issues, THEN start considering what other treatment options there are. Unfortunately most patients won't even ever get a hormone panel done. The doctor just treats the symptoms the patient lists off.

I firmly believe that many (maybe even most) people don't need any meds at all, they just need to stop watching TV, looking at social media and the news, and instead go for a bike ride or a walk, learn to cook some yummy food, learn to play an instrument or do art of something, and live a better more fulfilling life. I've known tons of people who are SO DEPRESSED, yet do NOTHING to help themselves. They sit around all day, watching TV, eating junk food and complaining about how they have no energy and just feel so lonely/sad/depressed/anxious/etc. Well no shit, if someone is living a miserable life, then it really isn't natural for them to be happy?

Our society raises a lot of weak people who are too afraid or just don't even understand how to go about making themselves happy. That shit isn't taught in schools and most parents aren't very happy so it's not like they can teach their kids these life lessons either. So, of course the capitalist solution is to throw patented, highly profitable drugs at everyone like candy. The drugs don't cure anything, they just treat the symptoms. The drugs makes them complacent and apathetic enough to not really care about how shitty their life is, so they can continue working their shitty job they hate and keep contributing to the Economic Machine that is a funnel that sucks all the money up to the top.

We are all responsible for our own happiness.

Steroids won't make you happy. Pills won't make you happy. Weed won't make you happy. Happiness is a temporary state of mind that we all experience from time to time. People say "I just want to be happy in life." Fuck that shit, happiness is nice, but it is a fleeting feeling that comes and goes. I want to feel FULFILLED. I want to feel like I am living my life FOR SOMETHING and CONTRIBUTING to things and causes that I am passionate about. The byproduct of being fulfilled is feeling happy more often.

We are all responsible for our own fulfillment.

Antidepressants should be used as crutches, not like a prosthetic limb. They should be used temporarily for a few months just to help get someone through the bad times. Help them get out of the funk and allow them to start forming healthy habits, finding the things that make them feel that spark of fulfillment and excitement. Get them into state where they can start to make improvements to their lives. The goal should be to give them medication while enabling them to not need medication anymore. Then, once they've made these improvements, they should be taken off the meds.

As a note: this really applies to the majority of cases, but obviously there are special scenarios where people will need various drugs long term. I'm excluding those from this discussion.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

I think people need to figure out what they need. If someone has a mood disorder, they certainly should have a hormone panel to determine if their hormones are balanced and at sufficient levels. Popping pills to mask depression that is caused by low Test is not a good fix, especially long term. I did that for quiet some time, I was on tons of various antidepressants and antianxiety meds. Wellbutrin thankfully isn't physically addictive, but many of the other ones are and they can be EXTREMELY hard to come off of. Not to mention black box warnings that come along with them.

I'm not saying Testosterone fixes everything, but if someone has Low T, that should definitely be treated first before throwing pills at them (although the pharmaceutical companies would much prefer it the other way around). If TRT doesn't solve their issues, THEN start considering what other treatment options there are. Unfortunately most patients won't even ever get a hormone panel done. The doctor just treats the symptoms the patient lists off.

I firmly believe that many (maybe even most) people don't need any meds at all, they just need to stop watching TV, looking at social media and the news, and instead go for a bike ride or a walk, learn to cook some yummy food, learn to play an instrument or do art of something, and live a better more fulfilling life. I've known tons of people who are SO DEPRESSED, yet do NOTHING to help themselves. They sit around all day, watching TV, eating junk food and complaining about how they have no energy and just feel so lonely/sad/depressed/anxious/etc. Well no shit, if someone is living a miserable life, then it really isn't natural for them to be happy?

Our society raises a lot of weak people who are too afraid or just don't even understand how to go about making themselves happy. That shit isn't taught in schools and most parents aren't very happy so it's not like they can teach their kids these life lessons either. So, of course the capitalist solution is to throw patented, highly profitable drugs at everyone like candy. The drugs don't cure anything, they just treat the symptoms. The drugs makes them complacent and apathetic enough to not really care about how shitty their life is, so they can continue working their shitty job they hate and keep contributing to the Economic Machine that is a funnel that sucks all the money up to the top.

We are all responsible for our own happiness.

Steroids won't make you happy. Pills won't make you happy. Weed won't make you happy. Happiness is a temporary state of mind that we all experience from time to time. People say "I just want to be happy in life." Fuck that shit, happiness is nice, but it is a fleeting feeling that comes and goes. I want to feel FULFILLED. I want to feel like I am living my life FOR SOMETHING and CONTRIBUTING to things and causes that I am passionate about. The byproduct of being fulfilled is feeling happy more often.

We are all responsible for our own fulfillment.

Antidepressants should be used as crutches, not like a prosthetic limb. They should be used temporarily for a few months just to help get someone through the bad times. Help them get out of the funk and allow them to start forming healthy habits, finding the things that make them feel that spark of fulfillment and excitement. Get them into state where they can start to make improvements to their lives. The goal should be to give them medication while enabling them to not need medication anymore. Then, once they've made these improvements, they should be taken off the meds.

As a note: this really applies to the majority of cases, but obviously there are special scenarios where people will need various drugs long term. I'm excluding those from this discussion.

All great points but I don’t think [mention]Gaia262 [/mention] was asking about this kind of thing and that’s what @Grab Bag was pointing to. Based on @Gaia262 previous post history, he seems to think steroids are some sort of life hack and he’s cracked the code on how to live a superhuman life. That’s not how steroids work. It’s not how any real drug works.

The pharmaceutical companies have fucked us. They got us believing there’s a magical cure for everything. But anyone that has been prescribed these pills knows it’s not magic. They all suck and they don’t cure shit. It’s the wrong approach.

Our moods and thoughts likely depend more on the brain chemicals such as dopamine, GABA, serotonin, etc which are controlled by our individual natural wiring. Diet, exercise, fulfillment goes a long way toward aiding that. An SSRI or benzo just masks it instead of curing it. And fucking with steroids to alter the brain chemicals to “feel good” is the wrong move. That’s what junkies do and it doesn’t work.

 

[Painfulldayz]

2 weeks after I start dbol I am feeling like a bloated fat ass. Even at low doses 20mg a day. I got like 200 dbol tabs I don’t think I will ever use.

Send em my way.

 

[Grab Bag]

That's some crazy short-sighted bro science you got here.

Testosterone is way safer than any SSRI or anti depressant you can think of.

And who's to say AAS should only be used for muscle building?
Testosterone's action as an anti depressant is well recognized.

I personnally use testosterone for the mood lifting, confidence, joie de vivre, horniness, go-get-it feeling exclusively.

Yes I look bigger on it, but that's a side effect for me, I couldn't care less.

I think you missed an important part of my post- I said “beyond replacement level trt,” which does in fact have all the effects you are talking about.

I agree with you, and am speaking about AAS for mood beyond testosterone optimization, which is an unwise persuit.

 

[Grab Bag]

I think people need to figure out what they need. If someone has a mood disorder, they certainly should have a hormone panel to determine if their hormones are balanced and at sufficient levels. Popping pills to mask depression that is caused by low Test is not a good fix, especially long term. I did that for quiet some time, I was on tons of various antidepressants and antianxiety meds. Wellbutrin thankfully isn't physically addictive, but many of the other ones are and they can be EXTREMELY hard to come off of. Not to mention black box warnings that come along with them.

I'm not saying Testosterone fixes everything, but if someone has Low T, that should definitely be treated first before throwing pills at them (although the pharmaceutical companies would much prefer it the other way around). If TRT doesn't solve their issues, THEN start considering what other treatment options there are. Unfortunately most patients won't even ever get a hormone panel done. The doctor just treats the symptoms the patient lists off.

I firmly believe that many (maybe even most) people don't need any meds at all, they just need to stop watching TV, looking at social media and the news, and instead go for a bike ride or a walk, learn to cook some yummy food, learn to play an instrument or do art of something, and live a better more fulfilling life. I've known tons of people who are SO DEPRESSED, yet do NOTHING to help themselves. They sit around all day, watching TV, eating junk food and complaining about how they have no energy and just feel so lonely/sad/depressed/anxious/etc. Well no shit, if someone is living a miserable life, then it really isn't natural for them to be happy?

Our society raises a lot of weak people who are too afraid or just don't even understand how to go about making themselves happy. That shit isn't taught in schools and most parents aren't very happy so it's not like they can teach their kids these life lessons either. So, of course the capitalist solution is to throw patented, highly profitable drugs at everyone like candy. The drugs don't cure anything, they just treat the symptoms. The drugs makes them complacent and apathetic enough to not really care about how shitty their life is, so they can continue working their shitty job they hate and keep contributing to the Economic Machine that is a funnel that sucks all the money up to the top.

We are all responsible for our own happiness.

Steroids won't make you happy. Pills won't make you happy. Weed won't make you happy. Happiness is a temporary state of mind that we all experience from time to time. People say "I just want to be happy in life." Fuck that shit, happiness is nice, but it is a fleeting feeling that comes and goes. I want to feel FULFILLED. I want to feel like I am living my life FOR SOMETHING and CONTRIBUTING to things and causes that I am passionate about. The byproduct of being fulfilled is feeling happy more often.

We are all responsible for our own fulfillment.

Antidepressants should be used as crutches, not like a prosthetic limb. They should be used temporarily for a few months just to help get someone through the bad times. Help them get out of the funk and allow them to start forming healthy habits, finding the things that make them feel that spark of fulfillment and excitement. Get them into state where they can start to make improvements to their lives. The goal should be to give them medication while enabling them to not need medication anymore. Then, once they've made these improvements, they should be taken off the meds.

As a note: this really applies to the majority of cases, but obviously there are special scenarios where people will need various drugs long term. I'm excluding those from this discussion.

I think you misunderstood my post. Replacement level testosterone for people with low T is a miracle. That’s not what I’m. Referring to here.

 

[Grab Bag]

All great points but I don’t think [mention]Gaia262 [/mention] was asking about this kind of thing and that’s what @Grab Bag was pointing to. Based on @Gaia262 previous post history, he seems to think steroids are some sort of life hack and he’s cracked the code on how to live a superhuman life. That’s not how steroids work. It’s not how any real drug works.

The pharmaceutical companies have fucked us. They got us believing there’s a magical cure for everything. But anyone that has been prescribed these pills knows it’s not magic. They all suck and they don’t cure shit. It’s the wrong approach.

Our moods and thoughts likely depend more on the brain chemicals such as dopamine, GABA, serotonin, etc which are controlled by our individual natural wiring. Diet, exercise, fulfillment goes a long way toward aiding that. An SSRI or benzo just masks it instead of curing it. And fucking with steroids to alter the brain chemicals to “feel good” is the wrong move. That’s what junkies do and it doesn’t work.

Thank you for understanding my post and the context of the post based on the user.

 

[Deleted member 59947]

I think you missed an important part of my post- I said “beyond replacement level trt,” which does in fact have all the effects you are talking about.

I agree with you, and am speaking about AAS for mood beyond testosterone optimization, which is an unwise persuit.

If one needs 600mg testosterone to feel the mood lifting benefits because they still have issues at TRT levels, then so be it.
Still more benign than SSRIs.

 

[Grab Bag]

If one needs 600mg testosterone to feel the mood lifting benefits because they still have issues at TRT levels, then so be it.
Still more benign than SSRIs.

I don’t take ssri, and never have. However, 600mg weekly as a lifestyle has proven negative health consequences. So I’m not sure what you want me to say here? I’m all for people being happy and safe on their own terms. If they want to be high... that’s on them. But I don’t think perpetual cruis on 600mg is in any way proven to be safe. Quite the opposite.

 

[MFAAS]

I don’t take ssri, and never have. However, 600mg weekly as a lifestyle has proven negative health consequences. So I’m not sure what you want me to say here? I’m all for people being happy and safe on their own terms. If they want to be high... that’s on them. But I don’t think perpetual cruis on 600mg is in any way proven to be safe. Quite the opposite.

Agreed. That is definitely not a good idea for anyone to do. And I did loop around to that in my post, though I realize it went off on a tangeant. Steroids are won't make you happy and 600 mg certainly isn't a good thing to do for very long.

What I would suggest someone do is get a baseline, a full hormone panel including F&T test, E2, progesterone, DHEA-s, cortisol, DHT, pregnenolone, and prolactin, and compare that to the same test on 600 mg. Try to look at the values and isolate which one might be having such a big mood boosting effect. It is likely there is something other than test and E2 levels going on there.

Maybe something will stand out very quickly. Maybe not. Perhaps their DHEA-s is chronically low and they feel a better sense of well being when it is higher (like me, which is why I supplement 25mgs of DHEA nightly). Pregnenolone has plenty of anecdotes of seriously impacting mood as a feel good "supplement" (I hesitate to call it a supplement), but there are also plenty of anecdotes that talk about pregnenolone withdrawals after ceasing use.

Really IMO that would be the best way. The person would need to take a very scientific approach and also it really won't be possible without some deep introspection and religious logging of mental health symptoms in some kind of app. Then, they can go back to cruise (or whatever) and one by one start isolating things to mess with. Maybe they want to talk to their doctor about trying pregnenolone. Maybe they just need to up their Test a little bit, stop taking their AI, or make some other changes. Whatever they do, for health reasons they should not just permablast 600 mg of test...but hey, everyone makes their own choices in life. Just don't go around saying there are no negative health consequences to that, because we all know there are--then again if someone is stupid enough to just believe that to be true and not verify the facts, in the end that's on them.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

You should not be using steroids to improve your mood. There are safer and more proven alternatives for mood.

Do not chase “feel good” steroids. Beyond replacement dose testosterone you should not be relying on AAS for any mood boost. Steroids should be used to grow muscle. Period.

If you suffer from a serious mood disorder you should visit a therapist and consider a mild anti depressant like Wellbutrin.

If it can fix his problem via some testosterone and proviron it would be a lot of better for his body and mind!!
Than those antidepressant antistress pills.
They re not healthy on human mind.
Pills like you said would be the last resort.

Better take proviron and testosterone a lot more "natural" you would feel 100% better and some masteron.

 

[rrambo1]

If it can fix his problem via some testosterone and proviron it would be a lot of better for his body and mind!!
Than those antidepressant antistress pills.
They re not healthy on human mind.
Pills like you said would be the last resort.

Better take proviron and testosterone a lot more "natural" you would feel 100% better and some masteron.

T, Mast AND Proviron?

 

[takkix]

I think DHT wins regarding mood improvement

Masteron, Primo, Proviron etc.

DHT Derivates can give you a lot of energy due to the cns stimulation and improve your mood. However the dosage required to get real good effects can be a bit high as far as i know. I heard of dosages like 500mg + of Mast and as high as 1g to get "maximum" effects

 

[TrennedOutLunatic]

Very complex matter here.

You should not be using steroids to improve your mood. There are safer and more proven alternatives for mood.

It depends.

Do not chase “feel good” steroids. Beyond replacement dose testosterone you should not be relying on AAS for any mood boost. Steroids should be used to grow muscle. Period.

That's my opinion too.

If you suffer from a serious mood disorder you should visit a therapist and consider a mild anti depressant like Wellbutrin.

A good psychiatrist/therapist who approaches issues as conservatively as possible, you mean.
Good luck with this.

That's some crazy short-sighted bro science you got here.

Testosterone is way safer than any SSRI or anti depressant you can think of.

Says who?
None can say that. It depends on the diagnosis whether or not testosterone is safer than SSRIs or antidepressants in general.
You cannot prescribe testosterone for eyeball cancer.

Accurate diagnosis. And this needs paraclinical examinations too.

And who's to say AAS should only be used for muscle building?

That's just my opinion. If we are talking about more than TRT. Well tuned TRT. With constant bloodwork.

Testosterone's action as an anti depressant is well recognized.

If low t is the primary cause,ofcourse.

Accurate diagnosis. Paraclinical examinations.

I personnally use testosterone for the mood lifting, confidence, joie de vivre, horniness, go-get-it feeling exclusively.

Me too. My other option is PCT. No fucking way.

I think people need to figure out what they need. If someone has a mood disorder, they certainly should have a hormone panel to determine if their hormones are balanced and at sufficient levels. Popping pills to mask depression that is caused by low Test is not a good fix, especially long term. I did that for quiet some time, I was on tons of various antidepressants and antianxiety meds. Wellbutrin thankfully isn't physically addictive, but many of the other ones are and they can be EXTREMELY hard to come off of. Not to mention black box warnings that come along with them.

I'm not saying Testosterone fixes everything, but if someone has Low T, that should definitely be treated first before throwing pills at them (although the pharmaceutical companies would much prefer it the other way around). If TRT doesn't solve their issues, THEN start considering what other treatment options there are. Unfortunately most patients won't even ever get a hormone panel done. The doctor just treats the symptoms the patient lists off.

I firmly believe that many (maybe even most) people don't need any meds at all, they just need to stop watching TV, looking at social media and the news, and instead go for a bike ride or a walk, learn to cook some yummy food, learn to play an instrument or do art of something, and live a better more fulfilling life. I've known tons of people who are SO DEPRESSED, yet do NOTHING to help themselves. They sit around all day, watching TV, eating junk food and complaining about how they have no energy and just feel so lonely/sad/depressed/anxious/etc. Well no shit, if someone is living a miserable life, then it really isn't natural for them to be happy?

Our society raises a lot of weak people who are too afraid or just don't even understand how to go about making themselves happy. That shit isn't taught in schools and most parents aren't very happy so it's not like they can teach their kids these life lessons either. So, of course the capitalist solution is to throw patented, highly profitable drugs at everyone like candy. The drugs don't cure anything, they just treat the symptoms. The drugs makes them complacent and apathetic enough to not really care about how shitty their life is, so they can continue working their shitty job they hate and keep contributing to the Economic Machine that is a funnel that sucks all the money up to the top.

I agree with this but I just want to leave this here:
Patient walks in the office.
Patient's primary complaints x y z. (These are symptoms we are talking here,since this is psychiatry related.)
CBT Is proposed.
Patient has no compliance.

"Yo bro me went to Dr.TOL and he did jack shit to help me. Phegget tranny lover TOL suggested this, this and that plus x number of meetings,and nu drogen. Also,he suggest take blood. Motherfucker I am sick as fuck and wanna die. Dr.TOL bad and want to take all my money through meetings. Dr.TOL scam doc."

Know what happens next? There you go:
Dr.TOL lives in a small city and news travel. It takes a decade to build a reputation and a minute to ruin it.
Soon, he will be unable to feed his ectopic.
Not to mention the 6 years of medicine plus 5 years of specialization for psychiatry. God knows what else.
Not to mention what it cost poor Dr.Tollie to finally have this fucking office.

Yo fuck this shit. Take that fluoxetine and come back in x time to see how you doing.
Nu worries. Take dis. It gon fix yerr ting.

Some trial and error might take place next,with different drugs and in the end......
Everyone is happy. Patient is happy. Dr.TOL is the shit. More patients come, Dr.TOL cashes.
Dr.TOL attempts to get his wife conceive an actual,non ectopic one now. Everyone is happy.

You gotta live somehow.

Dr.TOL suggested conservative approaches and attempted to correct diagnose..but hillbilly Karen didn't dig. Karen wanted trenbolone fast results.
Bitch you could have done it with primo. Fuck you. But no. She wanted le trenbolòn that helped her friend who had it prescribed by Dr.Prescription piss easy,no questions asked.

I mean...in the end of the day,why not behead her? No face no case.
You can't have symptoms, if you've got no head.
If we don't talk conservative,let's do it proper.
I don't half ass.

What's giving me hope is that I am under the impression that more and more people every year,show more and more compliance to proposed approaches which are in many cases.. conservative.

However,make no mistake. There are serious conditions that need pharmacologic treatment asap.

Schizophrenia. Bipolar disorders.

Correct diagnosis. Paraclinical examinations still.

We are all responsible for our own happiness.

Steroids won't make you happy. Pills won't make you happy. Weed won't make you happy. Happiness is a temporary state of mind that we all experience from time to time. People say "I just want to be happy in life." Fuck that shit, happiness is nice, but it is a fleeting feeling that comes and goes. I want to feel FULFILLED. I want to feel like I am living my life FOR SOMETHING and CONTRIBUTING to things and causes that I am passionate about. The byproduct of being fulfilled is feeling happy more often.

We are all responsible for our own fulfillment.

Antidepressants should be used as crutches, not like a prosthetic limb. They should be used temporarily for a few months just to help get someone through the bad times. Help them get out of the funk and allow them to start forming healthy habits, finding the things that make them feel that spark of fulfillment and excitement. Get them into state where they can start to make improvements to their lives. The goal should be to give them medication while enabling them to not need medication anymore. Then, once they've made these improvements, they should be taken off the meds.

This is more or less right. But know that in some cases... Prosthetic limb is the way. The only way.
You can try amputating your leg.
Crutches won't cut it.

Generally,there are specific guidelines for drugs.
And everyone shits on these guidelines. Sadly,in many,if not half of the cases,it's the physicians.
Strict psychiatry talk here.

I am guilty of this myself. I am on 1mg of xanax I don't even need now. I need to force myself to sleep in order to be in the university super fucking sharp tomorrow.
I have fucked the alprazolam guidelines in the ass. Over and over. At least I did it on me.
Insomnia.

I am not hating on anyone. I am not perfect. Far from perfect.

Correct diagnosis. Paraclinical examinations.

As a note: this really applies to the majority of cases, but obviously there are special scenarios where people will need various drugs long term. I'm excluding those from this discussion.

Ah yes now I saw this. Let's just put the blame on the xannies.

All great points but I don’t think [mention]Gaia262 [/mention] was asking about this kind of thing and that’s what @Grab Bag was pointing to. Based on @Gaia262 previous post history, he seems to think steroids are some sort of life hack and he’s cracked the code on how to live a superhuman life. That’s not how steroids work. It’s not how any real drug works.

The pharmaceutical companies have fucked us. They got us believing there’s a magical cure for everything.

True.

But anyone that has been prescribed these pills knows it’s not magic. They all suck and they don’t cure shit. It’s the wrong approach.

Correct diagnosis. Paraclinical examinations.

None knows if it is the wrong approach or not otherwise. This is a dangerous generalization.

Our moods and thoughts likely depend more on the brain chemicals such as dopamine, GABA, serotonin, etc which are controlled by our individual natural wiring. Diet, exercise, fulfillment goes a long way toward aiding that.

It does. Just not always. Sometimes it doesn't at all.

An SSRI or benzo just masks it instead of curing it.

Sometimes it is the only solution. I am excluding Dr.TOL example.

And fucking with steroids to alter the brain chemicals to “feel good” is the wrong move. That’s what junkies do and it doesn’t work.

It is not only a wrong move...but one indicative of an ongoing pathologic pattern.

If one needs 600mg testosterone to feel the mood lifting benefits because they still have issues at TRT levels, then so be it.
Still more benign than SSRIs.

Very relative. It depends on many things.
Correct diagnosis. Paraclinical examinations.
Type of SSRI,or any other med. Individual response. Presence of other diseases. What kind of diseases. Medical History of the patient.

I don’t take ssri, and never have. However, 600mg weekly as a lifestyle has proven negative health consequences.

Yes. As far as I am aware. I am not sure.

So I’m not sure what you want me to say here? I’m all for people being happy and safe on their own terms. If they want to be high... that’s on them. But I don’t think perpetual cruis on 600mg is in any way proven to be safe. Quite the opposite.

Absolutely. I am all for people being happy and safe too.

Agreed. That is definitely not a good idea for anyone to do. And I did loop around to that in my post, though I realize it went off on a tangeant. Steroids are won't make you happy and 600 mg certainly isn't a good thing to do for very long.

What I would suggest someone do is get a baseline, a full hormone panel including F&T test, E2, progesterone, DHEA-s, cortisol, DHT, pregnenolone, and prolactin, and compare that to the same test on 600 mg. Try to look at the values and isolate which one might be having such a big mood boosting effect. It is likely there is something other than test and E2 levels going on there.

Maybe something will stand out very quickly. Maybe not. Perhaps their DHEA-s is chronically low and they feel a better sense of well being when it is higher (like me, which is why I supplement 25mgs of DHEA nightly). Pregnenolone has plenty of anecdotes of seriously impacting mood as a feel good "supplement" (I hesitate to call it a supplement), but there are also plenty of anecdotes that talk about pregnenolone withdrawals after ceasing use.

Really IMO that would be the best way. The person would need to take a very scientific approach and also it really won't be possible without some deep introspection and religious logging of mental health symptoms in some kind of app. Then, they can go back to cruise (or whatever) and one by one start isolating things to mess with. Maybe they want to talk to their doctor about trying pregnenolone. Maybe they just need to up their Test a little bit, stop taking their AI, or make some other changes. Whatever they do, for health reasons they should not just permablast 600 mg of test...but hey, everyone makes their own choices in life. Just don't go around saying there are no negative health consequences to that, because we all know there are--then again if someone is stupid enough to just believe that to be true and not verify the facts, in the end that's on them.

If it can fix his problem via some testosterone and proviron it would be a lot of better for his body and mind!!

Testosterone is not a cure for everything.

Than those antidepressant antistress pills.

It depends.
Correct diagnosis. Paraclinical examinations.

They re not healthy on human mind.

Any study even if it's a good or bullshit one,I would like to see it. I am unaware of this.
This will occur only if misprescribed as a result of misdiagnosis. As a result of half assing on the doctor's side or as a result of the doctor strictly thinking business.

Pills like you said would be the last resort.

It depends.
You can try some schizo and pills as a last resort.

Better take proviron and testosterone a lot more "natural" you would feel 100% better and some masteron.

Give that to the manic psychotic.
It will work great i am telling you.
He will feel totally natural.

In his natural habitat.

Ahahahaha good one wasn't it?


We need more doctors that love what they are doing and are still getting educated on it.
This is a profession that one has to study for a life time.
We also need more doctors that don't strictly think of this profession as money..and more money,pure business.
And finally more doctors that shut the fuck up and give the referral when being far from sure regarding how to deal with a patient's issue.

I am not a doctor and I am not playing doctor here.
What I am studying for is not an MD degree. Yet. I hope.
However my profession is very close.