What I believe about training...

[Grizzly]

I did. I was just there. I thought you were being waaaaay too civil, myself. Both you and Glenn were being just a tad too humble.(of course, I'm a strutting, preening, in love with myself asshole, so that goes to figure. )

When Glenn said, "I don't coach powerlifters, it's not my sport" or something like that I was just waiting for the, "but I did coach a weightlifting team to back to back national championships, so top that, bitches!" LOL I was thinking about posting that for their benefit, but, alas, the thread is closed.

 

[Grizzly]

Oh yeah, and for future reference: That's not the way to enter a board, liek, ok! On any other board you would have been banned for acting like that. LMMFAO!

 

[J DUB]

Yeah the DOMS question is a toughy...as AM said, there are a lot of theories out there but nothing conclusive by any means. Heck we don't even fully understand muscle action...the sliding filament model is just that...a model.

As far as the exercise ball goes, that is a crock. My thing is, when you are training you basically want to lift more weight so you can produce more force. If you are on an unstable surface, you cannot do as much weight as say on a bench, therefore your results will be inferior. There is nothing magical about doing stuff on a ball, and the TA activation/core stability stuff is garbage. IMO, if you read an article that mentions TA activation or core stability (like one by Juan Carlos Santana or Paul Chek), stop reading and find something else to look at. I can go on for days about this.

 

[CyniQ]

IMO, if you read an article that mentions TA activation or core stability (like one by Juan Carlos Santana or Paul Chek), stop reading and find something else to look at. I can go on for days about this.

Yeah. He can sure play the guitar though...

 

[Blue09]

This is why I come to this forum (altho I've been absent from it for quite a while). I just have one question about the "isolation movements are crap". Do you feel so for every and absolutely all iso movements? My question is geared towards DB Flyes. The chest's primary function is to bring the arms in front of the body (hugging) which is why I was thinking of changing one of my pressing movements to Flyes. I currently do BB Bench, BB Incline and weighted Dips for chest.

Thanks bro.

 

[Bob Smith]

This is why I come to this forum (altho I've been absent from it for quite a while). I just have one question about the "isolation movements are crap". Do you feel so for every and absolutely all iso movements? My question is geared towards DB Flyes. The chest's primary function is to bring the arms in front of the body (hugging) which is why I was thinking of changing one of my pressing movements to Flyes. I currently do BB Bench, BB Incline and weighted Dips for chest.

Thanks bro.

I wouldnt say that the pecs "primary" function is to adduct the arms, but it is a function, yes. And in this instance, I think substituting flyes for one of your pressing movements would be a big mistake.

 

[getswoll]

Absolutely beautiful post AM. I have argued many of these same points to no avail with many people. I have come to the realization that the old adage, "you can't reason with an idiot" rings especially true to nut heads in the gym.

And I'll tell you, I have become less concerned with seeing people doing imbicilic workouts than I have with seeing them do crap that can/will get them hurt. It is amazing what some of these kids are learning from mags, friends and "coaches"

take care guys,

Pax,
GS

 

[Grizzly]

LMAO! Well, I guess your thread on the bicep/calf workout really brought the truth out. His name should be Bobo Weider. That must be the reason he so vehemently disagreed with your sage advice, Mr. Mass. It's because if people were to follow your advice, they would grow and become big and strong and then they would no longer pay him to tell them to sit backwards on a swiss ball while holding a dumbell in their lap and bouncing up and down to strengthen the core without thickening the waist.

 

[joeycrabcakes]

good , informative post, AM. I checked out Anabolicminds a while ago, many informative posts, articles, etc, but the guys are waaaaay to close-minded to debate anything. So, i go for info only, and dont post. God forbid you have a different view than "bobo" and their other "know-it-alls", they will just lock the thread down, and prohibit you from validating yourself. nice, huh? I find Meso to be a lot more useful with much more mature guys over here.

 

[CyniQ]

I find Meso to be a lot more useful with much more mature guys over here.

I agree, we are much more mature over here. That's why I thumbed my nose at those fuckers... Nanny Nanny Boo Boo. Bobo smells like doo doo.

 

[Blue09]

LMAO! Well, I guess your thread on the bicep/calf workout really brought the truth out. His name should be Bobo Weider. That must be the reason he so vehemently disagreed with your sage advice, Mr. Mass. It's because if people were to follow your advice, they would grow and become big and strong and then they would no longer pay him to tell them to sit backwards on a swiss ball while holding a dumbell in their lap and bouncing up and down to strengthen the core without thickening the waist.

This very same place is where I got into an argument about with protein intake. Their vast array of knowledge comes from Ronnie Coleman & Co.....since they all know them so very well

 

[Beefy]

Can we get this thread turned into a sticky? This is great. The basic knowledge that is the foundation of good training, yet it is unknown among 90% of people who work out on a regular basis.

With all of the people who post here asking how much test per week is needed to get 20" guns or which chemical makes girls like you the most and makes your dick big... we need a sticky to refer to for "what to do if you want to be productive lifting weights". Meso can be a great place for learning about weight lifting in general; not just learning about steroids.

 

[CyniQ]

Can we get this thread turned into a sticky? This is great. The basic knowledge that is the foundation of good training, yet it is unknown among 90% of people who work out on a regular basis.

With all of the people who post here asking how much test per week is needed to get 20" guns or which chemical makes girls like you the most and makes your dick big... we need a sticky to refer to for "what to do if you want to be productive lifting weights". Meso can be a great place for learning about weight lifting in general; not just learning about steroids.

There are a lot of boards where you can debate the wonders of chemical enhancement, but this board has far and away the best training forum of any I've been on.

 

[Bob Smith]

BUMP for great information.

 

[Girth]

Here, Here!!! With regard to the training info contained here. I like many have been on too many boards, and still am. But I'll always come here for the training info.

To the defense of others, there are many very smart individuals with regard to chemical intake. And most find it more interesting to talk about new compounds and ever changing science. Rather than discuss the unchanging dogma of hard work.

 

[oarkinsm]

the information in this therd is brillent especially for beginners. I think this should be made a sticky.

 

[Nate Dawg]

Matt I was really excited when I saw you joined over at anabolicminds and started posting in the training section helping others out. Alot of the other people over there are very close-minded and arent willing to try things different from what they are doing. The funny thing is the few I know over there that actually train as how you recommended are about the only strong ones there! Bobo is a freaking prick and anything that someone says that goes against his style of training he automatically starts bashing on and starts preaching on his TUT again lol. I can see making the eccentric somewhat slower and keeping the weight under control, but if you want to get stronger making the concentric portion of the rep as explosive as possible is going to get the best results. bobo's a douche, what can I say. Has he ever benched over 500, squatted/deadlifted over 700? No fucking way.....maybe he needs to work on his TUT more to get his strength up lol. I spend alot of time over at anabolicminds, sorry they were suck dicks. The training section over there is pretty worthless for the most part, a few powerlifters over there do chime in some with some good advice, but thats about it.

 

[Antanas]

Good solid post with great information. People have selective vision and hearing- they hear and what they want to hear or what will make them happy. I've been aware of this board for a while but i just released that there are some smart individuals here.

There is just too much shit floating around in the see of Internet. There are too many boards etc.. of like minded idiots more than anything but I've tried to help people and would be more than honored if individuals came up with information like this on my board- but hey.

Nice read

 

[big_tom]

I'm a big fan of big compound lifting but also chiseling with other movements as of late. I've built the foundation so I am in the compound bulk plus refining stages.

I once remembered a PRO at the Golds Gym I trained at (visitor) doing 450lb bent over rows. Insane stuff.
5 plates on each side and that weight didn't include the 45lb Olympic barbell he was lifting along with those 5 wheels on each side!!! I just kept looking back there thinking to myself, WOW! That barbell was a bending!!

 

[drewbolic]

thanks for the post ANIMALMASS


Good read,5x5 is the way to go