What is your opinion on Vigorous Steve?

[TallandSmall]

i find this guy funny and he probably helps alot of noobs with bloodwork Dr James

He’s got the entertainment factor for sure. I listen to vigorous Steve for the same reason. He’s got a personality, voice, and cadence that’s easy and entertaining to listen too. I come here to find out if what he is saying is BS or not, but he’s got the entertainment factor when I’m bored. A lot of people that have better information are very dry in their delivery and are difficult to listen to for more than a few minutes at a time. What’s up with everyone having their own 2-hr podcast? Who has time to listen to that? Give me the 5 minutes YouTube clips.

 

[unid888]

nah bro he's trying to make youtube ad revenue

I was trying to figure out if you're just trolling or actually have any legit claims apart from salesman hate but if this is not a joke I think you've just lost credibility lmao. I'm sure a guy doing $10k/minute consults enjoys 5 bucks from his youtube rev.

He has bad takes on hair loss prevention though, but for someone who knows fuck all about that it's very easy to become paranoid when the same thousand guys are crying about PFS on every platform.

 

[unid888]

Clearly an intelligent man, but has become incredibly arrogant with it. Says a lot, backtracks a lot, is constantly experimenting with compounds but claims he isn't on anything right now. The way he talks down to his fans and customers really irritates me, often telling people to fuck off for asking him a question and paying for the privilege. Chase Irons isn't much better either.

Dr Todd also is incredibly arrogant and I find him to be rude to his "fans".

Kurt Havens doesn't bother me much but he looks nothing like his "best" image that he uses in the thumbnails to his videos.

I like Dr Dean, he knows his stuff but hardly has the most impressive physique to go with it

They're asking the same 5 questions all the fucking time. And he has multiple vids for those same questions, of course, he's going to be annoyed. Also, that's like 1 minute out of a 2-hour live so it's not that significant.

 

[AlexDavis43]

I was trying to figure out if you're just trolling or actually have any legit claims apart from salesman hate but if this is not a joke I think you've just lost credibility lmao. I'm sure a guy doing $10k/minute consults enjoys 5 bucks from his youtube rev

dude sticking up for Vigorous Steve, talking about losing cred on an anon steroid forum...

and you think he has any clients...? that's cute

why do you think he had to move to Thailand, with the lowest cost of living, and switched to UGL gear from pharma... because he has so many clients and a good income?

This isn't against you personally, UniD, just some background on Steve for anyone else interested

 

[unid888]

dude sticking up for Vigorous Steve, talking about losing cred on an anon steroid forum...

and you think he has any clients...? that's cute

why do you think he had to move to Thailand, with the lowest cost of living, and switched to UGL gear from pharma... because he has so many clients and a good income?

This isn't against you personally, UniD, just some background on Steve for anyone else interested

He 100% has clients. Influencers just repeating his videos on instagram shorts have clients to live off. You think that the main guy isn't getting a shitload of requests?

Even earning $400 from superchats every Saturday just by answering those same boilerplate questions is insane for someone with only 600-1k viewers and 2 hours of time.

His wife is literally from Thailand, and it's a nice country to live in, I don't see why you wouldn't live there if you can.

I'm not taking anything personally, I just don't understand the income claims when it's quite obvious that people with this amount of following get decent income even from affiliates alone, he could most likely just live off those in Thailand. For steroids, everyone has their opinions, especially about doses and protocols so I get that there can be a lot of shit talk about it.

I had no idea that he switched from pharma to UGL, but his opinions about UGL's have been too harsh in my view, he's basically assuming that most of them aren't testing and can't dose accuratelly while there are plenty with testing.

 

[AlexDavis43]

His wife is literally from Thailand, and it's a nice country to live in, I don't see why you wouldn't live there if you can.

So he met his wife abroad, and they decided to move to her homeland?

or he met her in Thailand, after he already had to move there because it's the only place he could afford to live

(the Netherlands is a nice country too, but more expensive)

 

[Stealth500]

dude sticking up for Vigorous Steve, talking about losing cred on an anon steroid forum...

and you think he has any clients...? that's cute

why do you think he had to move to Thailand, with the lowest cost of living, and switched to UGL gear from pharma... because he has so many clients and a good income?

This isn't against you personally, UniD, just some background on Steve for anyone else interested

I would never pay for his coaching, honestly the way he talks in person is like he thinks the people who hire him are chumps LOL. I've spoken with him a few times and I'm quite sure he has enough money to live comfortably. I had a lot of fun living in BKK and some of my friends have been there for ages. Personally, I enjoy life elsewhere but everyone has there own preferences.

 

[unid888]

So he met his wife abroad, and they decided to move to her homeland?

or he met her in Thailand, after he already had to move there because it's the only place he could afford to live

(the Netherlands is a nice country too, but more expensive)

I have no idea about those things, but if he could afford the gym and gear in the Netherlands, he could afford to live there. He also claims that he has bloodwork from the last 15 years. People who are broke skip bloodwork altogether

 

[RandallFlagg]

I have no idea about those things, but if he could afford the gym and gear in the Netherlands, he could afford to live there. He also claims that he has bloodwork from the last 15 years. People who are broke skip bloodwork altogether

I'm not sure anyone is really saying he's broke.

But obviously influencers will form opinions and share "knowledge" based on whatever their favorite "sponsor of the moment" wants them to say.

Just because he has money doesn't mean he doesn't want more. I think it's safe to assume none (or at least very little) of what he shares is truly from an altruistic place in his heart.

He doesn't really hide that fact so it's all good with me.

 

[AlexDavis43]

I'm not sure anyone is really saying he's broke.

But obviously influencers will form opinions and share "knowledge" based on whatever their favorite "sponsor of the moment" wants them to say.

Just because he has money doesn't mean he doesn't want more. I think it's safe to assume none (or at least very little) of what he shares is truly from an altruistic place in his heart.

He doesn't really hide that fact so it's all good with me.

I don't think he's broke, I think switching from 100% pharma grade (eg, Bayer Rimo & Increlex) to UGL primo & hGH, and moving to Thailand, prevented him from going broke

Plus increasing youtube ads from every 5 minutes to every 1 minute lol, so I don't think this is an insignificant part of his revenue

 

[Stealth500]

Plus increasing youtube ads from every 5 minutes to every 1 minute lol, so I don't think this is an insignificant part of his revenue

I do believe he is frauding in his claims that his main source of income isn't youtube. As he dedicates most of his time to orchestrating his clickbait videos.

 

[Eddie.]

If i remember correct he implied he earns about a million a year, from coaching, YT, stocks, crypto etc. Honestly i don't know what to believe but i don't get why a European from such a nice country would move to a third world country where crime, prostitution and filth is at such high level and infrastructure is sh!t.

He mentioned many times in his livestreams that it's a great place to live if you have a small dick and if you're average in Thai or similar Asian countries you're considered "big" lol and he always blame the taxes and goverment in EU or USA..

Everyone is different ofc but personally i would prefer to live in a nice EU country (like i'm doing) and struggle to get my GH than living a prosperous life in a third world country.

When i first discovered him i sent him a msg to instagram asking about consultations and he told me that currently he takes only full coaching members with $3000 a month lol. He's been on that high horse since Derek and Leo and it's pretty sad because the Steve i first saw doing these podcasts was humble and decent guy. Last years he thinks he's the most knowledgeable guy in the industry while he clearly isn't.

 

[madcap71]

They're asking the same 5 questions all the fucking time. And he has multiple vids for those same questions, of course, he's going to be annoyed. Also, that's like 1 minute out of a 2-hour live so it's not that significant.

It's not out of the realms of possibility that multiple people may have the same question, asked at different times and not everyone has time to or wants to sit through a whole live Q&A

 

[unid888]

I don't think he's broke, I think switching from 100% pharma grade (eg, Bayer Rimo & Increlex) to UGL primo & hGH, and moving to Thailand, prevented him from going broke

Plus increasing youtube ads from every 5 minutes to every 1 minute lol, so I don't think this is an insignificant part of his revenue

Wasn't this because Bayer discontinued primo, and Increlex was just an experiment? That's how I understood it.

Use adblock. I didn't even know he had ads

 

[adrenalytic]

It's not out of the realms of possibility that multiple people may have the same question, asked at different times and not everyone has time to or wants to sit through a whole live Q&A

That's a cop out. His content is searchable and indexed such that you can skip to the exact answer you're looking for if you put in the effort.

It's simple laziness to ask the same shit over and over. Happens here every day like clockwork. People would rather be spoon fed.

 

[Banana Joe]

His content is searchable and indexed such that you can skip to the exact answer

I tend to disagree, if you speak about his content being searchable in absolutes.
No matter if you convinced that he has read many hundreds of studies for a deep dive he worked on for two weeks (as he had claimed in the past), those deep dives are extremely comprehensive, when compared to any other content creator on YT, and one can (or could) take away a lot from them.

Sadly, I am almost certain that he keenly aware of this, they of very little value, for anyone trying to read up in depth about a certain drug. His rhythm of speech and intonation became very youtubey, which makes it very hard for me to listen to his deep-dive.
There is a reason a Uni professor doesn't speak in such a way.

He could publish the scripts for those videos, and post them as articles on his website, and as far as I understand he did so in the past, but we know that this would hurt his income for various reasons, and why he therefore stopped doing so (if he actually did?!).
The automatic transcripts of YT videos are pretty shit - to say the least.

Which is not to say, that there are many morons in his streams, but his condescending way of constantly insulting his audience, and his increasing arrogance since he went from having 2k subscribers (or so), when I had discovered his videos, is becoming extremely annoying.

Compare that to Scott Stevenson for example.

 

[adrenalytic]

I tend to disagree, if you speak about his content being searchable in absolutes.
No matter if you convinced that he has read many hundreds of studies for a deep dive he worked on for two weeks (as he had claimed in the past), those deep dives are extremely comprehensive, when compared to any other content creator on YT, and one can (or could) take away a lot from them.

Sadly, I am almost certain that he keenly aware of this, they of very little value, for anyone trying to read up in depth about a certain drug. His rhythm of speech and intonation became very youtubey, which makes it very hard for me to listen to his deep-dive.
There is a reason a Uni professor doesn't speak in such a way.

He could publish the scripts for those videos, and post them as articles on his website, and as far as I understand he did so in the past, but we know that this would hurt his income for various reasons, and why he therefore stopped doing so (if he actually did?!).
The automatic transcripts of YT videos are pretty shit - to say the least.

Which is not to say, that there are many morons in his streams, but his condescending way of constantly insulting his audience, and his increasing arrogance since he went from having 2k subscribers (or so), when I had discovered his videos, is becoming extremely annoying.

Compare that to Scott Stevenson for example.

How does any of this pertain to his content not being easily searchable? you don't need a transcript to search for keywords. You can ctrl+f on the video description which contains timestamps of each individual question asked and answered in each individual podcast. It's really just laziness on the users part.

 

[Banana Joe]

How does any of this pertain to his content not being easily searchable? you don't need a transcript to search for keywords. You can ctrl+f on the video description which contains timestamps of each individual question asked and answered in each individual podcast. It's really just laziness on the users part.

Yes, you can search the Q&A, and the deep dives have chapters, but can you do a Ctrl+f on his deepdives, as you can with any PDF, since the inception of that key combo?
I don't want to search for an answer by skipping, and then missing it half the time, through 5 minutes of a video, when I could just do 5sec of Ctrl+f on an article and find what I am looking for.

Of course he doesn't owe me anything, but for someone always claiming to provide such a service for the community, he sure doesn't make it easy to properly process that information he provides. And given how he carries himself, I think he should be held up to that standard.


The same is true for the other so called educators, some of them claiming to be academics. Why can't they just publish their findings in articles on a blog?
Are they too afraid to be criticised?

 

[bjjgear]

I think he's just another goofy influencer. Same category as tren twins. He pushes and popularizes nonsense protocols for the sake of creating content. His co-collaborators will tell you that.

 

[Banana Joe]

i find this guy funny and he probably helps alot of noobs with bloodwork Dr James

Maybe it is me getting too old for this shit, but I can't watch that guy's AI slop video and editing even for 10sec.