What should you really be taking during your PCT. ( bloods uploaded )

[Bigbicep]

Hey guys, just wanted to put this thread here for the guys that are not sure what to run during their PCT. Now I know it’s obvious nolva and clomid. But there are people out there and even I got told that’s it’s better and healthier to pick just 1 compound. I followed this advice my first cycle and decided to just run nolva for my PCT. Unfortunately this strategy is faulty. I have ran 2 cycles, my first was 500 test only for around 18 or so weeks and my second cycle was 600 test and 10mg dbol for around 5 months. So obviously because 1 it was my second cycle and 2 me running higher doses for a longer period would shut me down more and take me longer to recover right? Well wrong in this case, because I didn’t use clomid during my first PCT it actually took me longer to re gain my baseline test levels. I was back to baseline after my 2nd PCT in just 2-3 weeks after PCT. While after my first PCT using just nolva after 2-3 weeks I was still under baseline. Here are my bloods from 2-3 weeks after my first cycle ( only nolva ) and my second cycle ( clomid and nolva ). MAKE WISE DECISIONS AND DONT LISTEN TO PEOPLE WITH SHITTY ADVICE!

Keep in mind that these are nmol/l units not ng/dl. So the low end one is around 300 and the higher end one is abit above 500. My baseline level is around 550 ng/dl

 

[Trenbolonetax]

My shitty advice is to just run enclomiphene. Not clomiphene, but ENclomiphene. But I don't really know dick about PCT. Glad this strategy worked for you, however.

 

[Liter O' Test]

PCT between cycles is an outdated practice and the info is usually outdated. nolva and clomid are completely different drugs. most of the internet still has dumbass information and even dumber people repeating it, confidently.

especially nowadays because steroids are so mainstream that random natty teenagers talk about gear on the internet that they havent even touched before, like they are supplements or something and want to appear to be smart

 

[Trenbolonetax]

PCT between cycles is an outdated practice and the info is usually outdated. nolva and clomid are completely different drugs. most of the internet still has dumbass information and even dumber people repeating it, confidently.

especially nowadays because steroids are so mainstream that random natty teenagers talk about gear on the internet that they havent even touched before, like they are supplements or something and want to appear to be smart

Yeah lol i assume this dude pct for a good reason. Not just to start another cycle in 3 months lmao.

 

[maleficarum]

by any chance, did you run HCG during either of these cycles? while the trend does seem to cruise vs PCT, i am curious myself on what the 'proper' PCT is (if you decide to do so). i also understood nolva is better than clomid?

 

[Bigbicep]

by any chance, did you run HCG during either of these cycles? while the trend does seem to cruise vs PCT, i am curious myself on what the 'proper' PCT is (if you decide to do so). i also understood nolva is better than clomid?

No I didn’t. Although in reality HCG is not essential and can be suppressive to your natural testosterone. From what iv researched, HCG is only really good on cycle or 4 weeks before going into PCT as it mimics LH.

 

[b6798045]

How much clomid and nolva did you use?

 

[Bigbicep]

How much clomid and nolva did you use?

The usual recommended
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20

 

[readalot]

Although in reality HCG is not essential and can be suppressive to your natural testosterone

How's that?

it mimics LH.

HCG suppresses what? Think this through.

 

[Bigbicep]

How's that?



HCG suppresses what? Think this through.

Long term use of HCG can suppress your LH. Suppressed LH means suppressed test levels. And the goal of PCT is to boost LH and testosterone. So it’s no good to use hcg in a pct.

 

[readalot]

Long term use of HCG can suppress your LH

Characteristic time for hypothalamus and pituitary to resume function after stopping hCG? Risk of leaving testicles dormant for significant period of time?

PCT can be almost any combo of hCG/AI/SERM or just time.

Here's one...a few weeks of AI montherapy. Effect?

 

[Bigbicep]

Characteristic time for hypothalamus and pituitary to resume function after stopping hCG? Risk of leaving testicles dormant for significant period of time?

PCT can be almost any combo of hCG/AI/SERM or just time.

Here's one...a few weeks of AI montherapy. Effect?

Yes at the end of the day anything works with enough time if you haven’t fucked your levels enough for it to not come back. Taking a ai could work because it reduces estrogen which causes an increase in LH, but I think a combination of clomid or enclo with nolva is more effective. AIs are made to reduce estrogen unlike clomid or enclo which is made to boost LH and FSH

 

[readalot]

combination of clomid and nolva or enclo will work better

Why?

What is clomid?

Clomifene - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Why not tamoxifen and enclomifene? Why use tamoxifen at all?

Why use zuclomifene as part of PCT?

Zuclomifene - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Bigbicep]

Why?

What is clomid?

Clomifene - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Why not tamoxifen and enclomifene?

Why use zuclomifene as part of PCT?

Zuclomifene - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Enclo and nolva is a good combination and would be better then just clomid since enclo is already in clomid and is the primary thing that acts to boost LH and FSH but some people can’t handle enclo like clomid and it’s also cheaper and easier to get

 

[readalot]

Zuclomifene is the (Z)-stereoisomer of clomifene, while enclomifene is the (E)-stereoisomer.[1][2] Whereas zuclomifene is described as mildly estrogenic, enclomifene is described as antiestrogenic.[4][5] In accordance, unlike enclomifene, zuclomifene is antigonadotropic due to activation of the estrogen receptor and reduces testosterone levels in men.[4] It is also about five times more potent than enclomifene in inducing ovulation.[5]

[R]

 

[readalot]

Don't forget about anastrozole / tamoxifen combo for a few weeks. Or anastrozole / enclomifene combo. Hell let's full send all three. Dark horses in the race. Own that estrogen!