What to do next? Transformation inside..

[Lifeonair]

Hello Meso brothers and sisters!

Overview
I believe I successfully completed my goal for a body recomp. I started this journey march 2022 and finished this cycle august 2022. It was a hell of a ride (in a good way)! I’m currently back to my TRT dose right now and cruising 200mg. You will see the picture collage below of the transformation. Before, during and at end of cycle. All I can say is I loved my experience with Tren and this cycle. My diet consisted 2500-2800cals. However, the tren did make me hungry. I was not expecting to add weight, I was trying to stay no more than 200-205lbs due to work purposes (I race cars, us drivers need to be a certain weight) whatever. Fuck it. This is the best I’ve ever looked in my life.

Starting stats
205lbs
Bf 16-18%
On script TRT 200mg
Dedicated thyroid script

Finishing stats
217lbs
Bf ( I don’t know you guys tell me 13-14%?)


Cycle
-Test e 200mg (TRT)
-Tren ace started at 350mg ramped up to 700mg (I had no major sides other than some sweating at night and slight short of breath during my heavy lifts)
-HGH (pharma grade) 4-6ius ran this for a couple months but stopped as I was starting to get some tingling/carpal tunnel pain.
-Var/winny sprinkled in here and there through the cycle playing with 60/80mg doses





What I learned
Cardio. I probably should have been more aggressive with my cardio and increased the amount I was doing. I would do morning fasted walks 45mins. Then work got in the way as the summer came through so that took away some of my cardio time and then I would struggle to hit cardio after my work outs because I would be so gassed with my weight lifting. I followed a typical bro split training regime and it was working, lifts were progressing so I didn’t want to change it. But I think I would have benefited from 3-4 lift days and strictly cardio days in between. I want to get peeled and shredded.

What’s next?
I don’t know! I wanted to ask your guy’s opinion. I was thinking of staying on my TRT and adding in 1000mg of primo. Or increasing the test to 500mg and 1000mg primo. I did also think of DHB and some other compounds. But I feel like I’m content with my size and stature. I would like to dice up some more and be almost stage ready. I’m still holding on to some stubborn fat in lower abs and back (genetics, I guess)..
I could also run some low dose tren again and just roll with it. But I already gave my doc the excuse my HDL is crashed from eating too many eggs LOL. Which is why I was thinking of trying primo. What are your thoughts?

Some extra photos of the journey (not in any order)

 

[Evom1]

Stay on just trt, don't add any other compounds, diet down and get lean

 

[Lifeonair]

Stay on just trt, don't add any other compounds, diet down and get lean

I thought of this as well. And perhaps could throw in GH for the extra help with fat loss.

 

[hudson98]

you made some good progress but like you said, a ways to go to get lean. those dosages are too high for your development. id eat at maintenance for 6 weeks, take a diet break, cruise on 300mg or so or 200mg I you like less, then add in a second compound tren or var, maybe 600mg total AAS per week and get shredded, get d own to about 8 percent or less. you may need to lower calories and like you said hit the cardio hard. no carbs on non-training days, high protein

 

[Type-IIx]

Maintenance, focus on pec development (proper exercise selection for you) and legs (quads, hamstrings, calves). You actually got decently lean, ~11% I think, judging by trap & delt vascularity (but weird that you seem to hold love handles and ab fat with GH & tren, usually those depots melt away). You could get leaner, sure. But bring up those weak points especially, they're somewhat glaring. You might need a lot of back work too, we can't tell.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Continue the tren add in var and either t3 or clen finish your job.
Then drop them and swap to higher test equi and drol thank me later

 

[Rido]

Do you think this could have been achieved on alot less tren?

 

[Lifeonair]

Continue the tren add in var and either t3 or clen finish your job.
Then drop them and swap to higher test equi and drol thank me later

You’re saying do another blast of 200 test 700 tren with var/t3/Clen

Then switch compounds to test eq and sdrol or adrol?

 

[Lifeonair]

Do you think this could have been achieved on alot less tren?

Probably, but I was wanting to push the envelope and I was responding pretty good to the tren with very little sides so I said let’s see what happens.

 

[Rido]

Probably, but I was wanting to push the envelope and I was responding pretty good to the tren with very little sides so I said let’s see what happens.

Fair enough.


To be honest, I have yet to use tren. I'm very hesitant to do so. I have to read that 150 is enough for some great effects but that is only reading and not application.

I also think 200 test 1000mg of primo sounds like a rough idea. I could only imagine how much your e2 may crash.



You could do a growth cycle in December for 10 weeks and then do a cut in April for the summer time.

 

[Lifeonair]

Fair enough.


To be honest, I have yet to use tren. I'm very hesitant to do so. I have to read that 150 is enough for some great effects but that is only reading and not application.

I also think 200 test 1000mg of primo sounds like a rough idea. I could only imagine how much your e2 may crash.



You could do a growth cycle in December for 10 weeks and then do a cut in April for the summer time.

I hear mixed things about estro issues with primo and crashing e2. I’ve started to feel it’s dependent from person to person and maybe the sources people are using. Again some can’t tolerate tren, others like myself love it with minimal sides.

Growth cycle does sound interesting, I did put on size with tren ~10lbs. Do I feel like I need some more fullness? Yes. But do I want to slap on boatloads and look watery? Meh not a fan lol. I prefer to keep things aesthetic, I know this will take strict diet and cardio but also deploying the right compounds. That’s what led me to start reading into DHB/Primo.

 

[Rido]

I hear mixed things about estro issues with primo and crashing e2. I’ve started to feel it’s dependent from person to person and maybe the sources people are using. Again some can’t tolerate tren, others like myself love it with minimal sides.

Growth cycle does sound interesting, I did put on size with tren ~10lbs. Do I feel like I need some more fullness? Yes. But do I want to slap on boatloads and look watery? Meh not a fan lol. I prefer to keep things aesthetic, I know this will take strict diet and cardio but also deploying the right compounds. That’s what led me to start reading into DHB/Primo.

I think if you run 200/1000 you will feel something. I would be interested if anyone has heard any stories of someone running this.

How much weight did you lose post cycle btw?

There are plenty of options to avoid a watery look other than tren.


Any thoughts of mast?

 

[GuerillaPete]

I think if you run 200/1000 you will feel something. I would be interested if anyone has heard any stories of someone running this.

How much weight did you lose post cycle btw?

There are plenty of options to avoid a watery look other than tren.


Any thoughts of mast?

View: https://youtu.be/zld2_S0lZwk

 

[Jin23]

I think if you run 200/1000 you will feel something. I would be interested if anyone has heard any stories of someone running this.

How much weight did you lose post cycle btw?

There are plenty of options to avoid a watery look other than tren.


Any thoughts of mast?

He could, and should have, achieved that just on 2500 ngdl test, with maybe some GH Tren literary gets thrown in everywhere.

 

[Rido]

He could, and should have, achieved that just on 2500 ngdl test, with maybe some GH Tren literary gets thrown in everywhere.

Yea. I am assuming he is not new to the game though. Could be worse I take it.


Eventually I may try tren but it would be low dose for assistance in getting shredded. But not at a high bf.

I would probably be 200 max

 

[hudson98]

Yea. I am assuming he is not new to the game though. Could be worse I take it.


Eventually I may try tren but it would be low dose for assistance in getting shredded. But not at a high bf.

I would probably be 200 max

this is the right approach. use it when low calories to spar muscle. anyone at a higher BF has no reason to take tren yet, they will lose weight on higher calories and not risk losing BF like a lean guy. but when lean, the tren is needed as calories go lower and lower and the body wants to burn muscle vs lose any more fat

 

[Lifeonair]

Yea. I am assuming he is not new to the game though. Could be worse I take it.


Eventually I may try tren but it would be low dose for assistance in getting shredded. But not at a high bf.

I would probably be 200 max

Yeah I’m not new to the game, I have previous cycles under my belt. Test 500mg, test and var etc. years ago… this was my first tren experience and was curious about the nutrient partitioning effects.

He could, and should have, achieved that just on 2500 ngdl test, with maybe some GH Tren literary gets thrown in everywhere.

You’re probably right, at the time, I didn’t want to mess with my TRT dose and screw that up as I’m on a script so I left it. I also look at it this way. I don’t want to get used to feeling so good on high test. I want to keep feeling good on my 200mg test dose. You know what I mean? Naturally as we get older our TRT doses will have to increase. But yes, it would be a good idea to try a high 750mg to 1G test cycle hoping I can keep the estrogen under control.

 

[Lifeonair]

I think if you run 200/1000 you will feel something. I would be interested if anyone has heard any stories of someone running this.

How much weight did you lose post cycle btw?

There are plenty of options to avoid a watery look other than tren.


Any thoughts of mast?

I actually dabbled with some mast prop for 3 weeks. However I just noticed some weird acne on my back and in random areas. Did T see much of the cosmetic effects at 400mg so I dropped it.

 

[Lifeonair]

this is the right approach. use it when low calories to spar muscle. anyone at a higher BF has no reason to take tren yet, they will lose weight on higher calories and not risk losing BF like a lean guy. but when lean, the tren is needed as calories go lower and lower and the body wants to burn muscle vs lose any more fat

Are you saying do a high test cycle?

 

[hudson98]

me, id pick 2 AAS you like and tolerate, and run with it get very very lean. I use test/drol/ test/tren, test/npp. get very lean, eat maintenance, stay lean as fuck. then up the dose a bit when you want to slowly grow, but always keep within 8-9 percent.

id run 400mg total now maybe 500mg, maybe 700 when pushing up the gh and maybe add in insulin. im not microdoser baby but not a high AAS dosage guy either.