What's a good 2nd cycle?

[CyrilCyanide]

Wondering if any 19 nor would be fine for a 2nd cycle.
gained a good amount on my first cycle with Test E 600mg & Dbol 30mg I'm just looking to add strength and lean out, I had no issue with Gyno, but my BP went up to 142/101 on cycle other than that I felt better than I did precycle.
This is the cycle I had in mind.
*Tren A 100mg .5cc Ed 2-12weeks
Test E 300mg Ew 1-12 weeks
Proviron 50-75mg Ed 12 weeks
Aromasin 12.5 e4d
Tbol 75mg Ed 8 weeks
*Caber .5mg will use if signs of gyno shows
*HCG 250iu m/f
(*) Doses varies depending on circumstances.
5 weeks PCT with* clomid 50mg and *nolva50mg

Will this help with a bulk and Lean gains? I'm deciding between Tren a or Npp, with Tren I wouldn't have to worry about water retention and bloating with test E but on the other hand NPP and Tbol will get you swole like no other, I've been told.

About hcg since I'm only running tren 350mg week for 10 weeks I think I'll shoot it 4 weeks up to my last injection, or if sides are bad with Tren I'll shoot it during.
Thoughts?

Question about dbol are they suppose to make you feel lethargic? I remember I felt like shit for the first month and couldn't eat, 30mg Ed and asin 12.5 Ed changed the Asin to e4d that helped. I still don't know if I crashed my e2 I don't think Asin could possibly crash e2, or if my e2 was through the roof, I don't have access to getting blood work in Canada yet, but I'm looking for an endo or a better doctor.


25yo
205lb
5'9

 

[HIGHRISK]

Damn it man. Your going from the bullpen bench straight to the mound huh lol. I'm more conservative myself. Why not run test again since you had great results already and add in some masteron. Get your diet dialed in and you will accomplish your goals just fine with less compounds and sides. If your dead set on orals then add anavar in the last 4-5 weeks or so. JMO

 

[CyrilCyanide]

Damn it man. Your going from the bullpen bench straight to the mound huh lol. I'm more conservative myself. Why not run test again since you had great results already and add in some masteron. Get your diet dialed in and you will accomplish your goals just fine with less compounds and sides. If your dead set on orals then add anavar in the last 4-5 weeks or so. JMO

^ you know what this actually looks good. Thank you for the idea, you're absolutely right with less sides.
My only concern is the cost of var though.
Test P 100mg 75 Ed 1-10 weeks
Var 80- 100mg 7- 12 weeks
Mast 100mg 4-10 weeks 75 ed

 

[HIGHRISK]

^ you know what this actually looks good. Thank you for the idea, you're absolutely right with less sides.
My only concern is the cost of var though.
Test P 100mg 75 Ed 1-10 weeks
Var 80- 100mg 7- 12 weeks
Mast 100mg 4-10 weeks 75 ed

Don't run var 7-12 weeks. Finish it with 4-5 weeks. JMO

 

[FrenchUser]

You dont need To take caber if you have gyno..you need To take caber if your libido its off and if you have result of blood test its better when you run with 19nor or any cycle..

 

[Kpaxi]

Simple second cycle for you to shred out the gains you just made on the first cycle.

Wk1-12: Test P 125 EOD
Wk1-10: Tren A 100 EOD
Wk 4-10: Mast 100 EOD

Keep arimidex on hand. Caber is bullshit from my experience not needed unless you’re sensitive to prolactin in low doses of Tren. Running 4 compounds on your second cycle with one being Tren sounds like a shitfest. At least mast will help with some sides.

 

[CyrilCyanide]

You dont need To take caber if you have gyno..you need To take caber if your libido its off and if you have result of blood test its better when you run with 19nor or any cycle..

As a dopamine agonist Caber controls estro induced gyno right? I thought it's purpose was to control gyno and prevent lactation. Usually Asin help with lowering e2 and proviron helps with libido. I will have Caber on hand though. No luck with blood yet.

 

[Kpaxi]

As a dopamine agonist Caber controls estro induced gyno right? I thought it's purpose was to control gyno and prevent lactation. Usually Asin help with lowering e2 and proviron helps with libido. I will have Caber on hand though. No luck with blood yet.

Caber is used for prolactin issues typically in a cycle. I’d keep aromasin or adex on hand for gyno.

 

[CyrilCyanide]

Simple second cycle for you to shred out the gains you just made on the first cycle.

Wk1-12: Test P 125 EOD
Wk1-10: Tren A 100 EOD
Wk 4-10: Mast 100 EOD

Keep arimidex on hand. Caber is bullshit from my experience not needed unless you’re sensitive to prolactin in low doses of Tren. Running 4 compounds on your second cycle with one being Tren sounds like a shitfest. At least mast will help with some sides.

Not sure how I'll handle Tren, but I will have Caber on hand just in case, don't have arimidex I have aromasin, I thought prami was shit compared to Caber.
Would you suggest all 3g in one site? I've only shot quads and glute with test E, with ED/EOD I'm gonna try triceps, shoulders and chest 8 sites with faster esters. Never tried prop yet.

 

[CyrilCyanide]

Caber is used for prolactin issues typically in a cycle. I’d keep aromasin or adex on hand for gyno.

Ok thanks for clarifying.

 

[Kpaxi]

Not sure how I'll handle Tren, but I will have Caber on hand just in case, don't have arimidex I have aromasin, I thought prami was shit compared to Caber.
Would you suggest all 3g in one site? I've only shot quads and glute with test E, with ED/EOD I'm gonna try triceps, shoulders and chest 8 sites for faster esters. Never tried prop yet.

I only shoot quads and glutes. To each is own

 

[CyrilCyanide]

I only shoot quads and glutes. To each is own

Have you ever had to shoot more than 3g?
I'd probably do 2g at most. I wouldn't want to shoot 3 compound 3 different times.

 

[Kpaxi]

Have you ever had to shoot more than 3g?
I'd probably do 2g at most. I wouldn't want to shoot 3 compound 3 different times.

I’ve shot Tren, anavar, Test in one go. Never had a problem. Maybe I’ve been doing it wrong though never thought about it.

 

[Doinks88]

Have you ever had to shoot more than 3g?
I'd probably do 2g at most. I wouldn't want to shoot 3 compound 3 different times.

Ive pinned, 2g in a glute before no problem

 

[Doinks88]

Simple second cycle for you to shred out the gains you just made on the first cycle.

Wk1-12: Test P 125 EOD
Wk1-10: Tren A 100 EOD
Wk 4-10: Mast 100 EOD

Keep arimidex on hand. Caber is bullshit from my experience not needed unless you’re sensitive to prolactin in low doses of Tren. Running 4 compounds on your second cycle with one being Tren sounds like a shitfest. At least mast will help with some sides.

Last thing! I would keep tren higher then my test! Personal opinion though! I also like running ED for less fluctuations and less sides! Good ass cycle though, i ran tren test and mast together...WICKED

For instance,

50 ED - TEST P weeks 1-12 (i would even give enanthate a shot, 250mg one pin a week, i know some people dont like straying from seperate esters but i ran tren acetate with test e)
75 ED - TREN ACE weeks 1 - 8
100 EOD - MAST weeks 4 - 12
Caber weeks 1-8 .5 monday/Thursday
AI on hand

Personal opinion though take it with a grain of salt! Not saying the previous mentioned cycle is bad, just saying how i would run it!

 

[Dr. Savage]

I know some people say run test only with maybe an oral until you stop gaining from it. But me personally my second cycle was test prop (100mg) and npp (100mg) EOD and I loved it. I ran 12.5 aromasin eod as well. Very good cycle. Going to run that exactly again very soon