appealmaxed
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do you bloat even at trt dosages?
ever used test P? When I used Test E i was bloated asf, but not on Test P at 250mg.
Currently on 1g though and bloated as shit.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
What's the largest test only cycle you ran, and what were your results?
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ever used test P? When I used Test E i was bloated asf, but not on Test P at 250mg.
Currently on 1g though and bloated as shit.
Slowww
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bulk, need food to make muscle. Use most gear with most food for most muscle
Do you gain all of those 30lbs in 16 weeks?
Liter O' Test
Member
test p wont get you to the same levels of test e mg for mg
i dont think i bloat at trt doses, im saying more testosterone is more adolsterone and mineral retention
Slowww
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Not muscle, no but I will generally gain about 40-50 (about 15 muscle, that will keep after a cut, and the rest is fat and water/nitrogen etc. + muscle that is catabolized) over the course of 24 weeks (trt, cruise & blast). Cant expect to gain 30lbs of muscle in a cycle or even a year even if you’re an absolute freak tbh.
I'm guessing you're relatively new to this; IE in first 3-5 years of enhancement?
Cause these are not "insane" doses by any stretch of the imagination - for serious advanced strength athletes or bodybuilders 2g-3g cycles are par for the course.
No you can't grow eating barely anything, laws of thermodynamics still apply.
Truth is when you're 120kg lean and deadlifting 300kg+ then cycles of 500mg aren't going to do much....
Ryu82
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Test only for health phases or TRT, but; a couple decades ago a ran 1g test solo...grew some nice boobs.
The highest I have gone since is 750mg but stacked with other compounds (typically mast)
The highest I have gone since is 750mg but stacked with other compounds (typically mast)
NightBeast666
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2.5 grams a week.
Pharma grade Testoviron from Bayer. Alongwith 6 IUs of Genotropin before bed.
This was almost 5 years ago. Ran it for 20 weeks. Ofcourse I had my AIs and bp meds at hand.
The Pros-
1. Gains were phenomenal. I gained 15 lbs of lean muscle tissue. Sides were much easier to handle than say 1 gram test and 500-700 EQ.
2. Mood- Was excellent. It was like how I used to be in my teenage years- free of all sorts of worries and anxiety. I am an extrovert by nature and it accelerated that nature of mine. I was being over-friendly and social to everyone I met. People started praising me behind my back.
3. Slept like a baby multiple times a day- short, but fulfilling naps.
4. Sex drive was uncontrollable. Me and my wife were on a tour to Scotland (to meet my parents) and I would find ways to fuck her all the time, in the garden, at the stable, in the kitchen, in the car. When she couldn't keep up, I didn't go on ad cheat on her (like I did while I was on Tren). Rather, I had calm meaningful romantic conversations with her...something which she by her own admission, have craved for years. It made me a better man.
5. Haemoglobin A1CT- It improved.
6. Hunger- Was through the roof. I could eat anything and not gain fat.
Coming to the downsides-
1. Water retention- went away with the use of dyaside and supplements like MHP XPEL.
2. Frequently going hypo- 2 hours post a big meal, my blood glucose dropped to 70. Didn't pay much attention to it and thankfully it didn't get worse. At times, I was in a stoned-like mood. Fasted bg was like 60.
3. Thickening of moustache and beard- I already have thick facial hair. But fuck it, shaving every other day during that phase became a PITA.
Will I do it again? Fuck YES. Infact, I have grown tired of running multiple compounds over the years for my bulking phase. From now on, I'll go Test only for my bulk and Tren + estradiol only for my cut. In addition to 8-10 IUs of GH a day and a little bit of slin as a way to control my blood glucose.
Even on a small dosage of say 600-750 mgs a day, I'd suggest anyone to run Test only with 6-8 IUs of GH a day and a little bit of fast acting slin and gauge the results for themselves. Ofcourse, keep AIs and bp meds handy- using them isn't a bad thing to do.
watchtymeflyyy
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I’ve been a lot dry since I lowered my HGH dose to 4IU
Ya I figured that it was total weight not all muscle. But that's still damn good results and genetics for muscle gain to be able to do that every time.
I put on a great 35-40lbs over 20 weeks on my first cycle. Tried it again my 2nd cycle and realized I can't gain that much anymore after my first cycle. Gotta watch the fat gain a little closer. I'm more of a gain a lb a week guy now
Slowww
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Yeah every time is about 15lbs give or take. I also think good coaching, and a proper protocol year round is a bit part because installed oit super hard after my first cycle too. I gained 60+lb and was like fuck I’ll be 260 tomorrow and now it is a couple years down the line and I’m still not there hahaha.
After that I changed coaches to a more serious one and it was like the first cycle all over again lmao, but I really think a lot of the first one was fat I could’ve avoided and just been way leaner, and really the muscle would’ve been close to what I get now anyways. Maybe beginners also can’t twll they’re gaining a fuck ton of fat and water but feel like it’s gains because it is size haha
appealmaxed
New Member
its more no?
RockyP
Member
I might have missed it but did you test your labs while running 2500 mg test? I'd be most interested in your Hemoglobin, Hematocrit, and lipid values.
Elmeche697
New Member
I started off with test c 250 mg twice. Week then bumped up to 375 mg 3 times a week. That’s the highest so far. Around week 8 acne started to kick in so I’m going to be micro dosing and adding some supps before I go any higher
BigDadd7
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All off of feelz?
NightBeast666
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Yes, I did, like I do in every cycle that I run.
All were in the higher end of normal. Hematrocrit was elevated for the first half of the cycle, but subsided back to normal levels as I used dyaside to expel excessive water and in addition, started drinking more of my electrolyte shakes.
RockyP
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diuretic for high hematocrit?
ChemBB
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It seems we're of the same mind in terms of gear philosophy.
I was planning on running a Tren + E2 Cyp only blast and posting here.
If you look at the evidence behind it, it makes a lot of sense.
There are multiple papers showing that Tren is cardioprotective and suggesting it as an alternative to TRT due to reduced androgenic activity.
(Doses used were 2mg/kg, human-equivalent roughly = 0.325mg/kg. Something like 30-35mg/day (210-245mg/wk) for a 90-110kg person)
Research Evidence:
17β-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (trenbolone) exhibits tissue selective anabolic activity: effects on muscle, bone, adiposity, hemoglobin, and prostate
Improvements in body composition, cardiometabolic risk factors and insulin sensitivity with trenbolone in normogonadic rats
- Trenbolone decreased fat mass by 37% and increased lean mass by 11%
- No evidence of adverse cardiac (e.g., no fibrosis or impaired ischemia tolerance) or hepatic effects
Trenbolone Improves Cardiometabolic Risk Factors and Myocardial Tolerance to Ischemia-Reperfusion in Male Rats With Testosterone-Deficient Metabolic Syndrome
- Reduced subcutaneous and visceral fat accumulation, hypertriglyceridemia, hypercholesterolemia, hyperinsulinemia, and myocardial damage compared to untreated deficient rats
- Improved myocardial tolerance to ischemia-reperfusion injury, suggesting cardioprotective effects
- Metabolic benefits included better insulin sensitivity and lipid profiles
NightBeast666
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Not for high hematocrit, but for losing the excess water that I was holding. That in turn reduced my bp and rhr significantly. Adding in high amount of electrolytes helped a lot. Which in addition lowered my hematocrit to near normal levels.
