Do you think most high e2 sides can be prevented with a clean diet and cardio?
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Anabolic Steroids
What’s the point in running more than 200mgs of test on a cycle?
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Eliminate the idea of Anabolc ratings being pure math.
Tren is a 5
Test is a 1
Does that mean that 100mg Tren is equivalent to 500 Test?
No way in hell
Test is king for gaining size.
Anabolic/Androgenic ratings are a ratio and a generalized guideline, NOT a rule.
I have yet to meet a massive guy that runs cycles where Test is not added at a decent qauntity.
Ask the big guys here at Meso, they all love their Test.
You want a Zyzzxxxx (Or however the fuck you spell it) body, stick to Low test and DHT derivs.
Test is also the most easily controlled if you k ow what you're doing and get regular bloods/know yourself.
So you can in a sense push the envelope harder with less sides.
This is fucking truth.
Jestopherson
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Um I'd aim for consistent dose of optimized training and a caloric surplus for best gains.
It's always a tie between guys like you who think All you need to so is run gear to grow and guys who actually understand this shit
Jestopherson
Member
Why don't you drop the tren? Why are you running tren? Are you prepping for a show?
malfeasance
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Wow. What was wrong, and what did you do to fix it?
Test_Subject
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Before I respond to this, I need to ask for some background information:
Were you born retarded or did you suffer an acquired brain injury?
chtenna94
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Because you need a base lmao ... almost every compound with shut your ol factory down so unless you running that hcg to keep your little balls going your going to fuck your little balls up... you won’t be producing any test... why is that so hard to grasp? You need test either naturally or synthetically ... yeah sure you can make gains with tren or an n19 compound but you will 1. Fuck yourself up long term when you do finish your cycle.. 2. You need test to maintain estrogen levels and estrogen is needed for muscle growth as well... 3. Test will always play a major role in muscle growth 4. Men depend on test for numerous other reasons it is the key hormone in our body. Why would you not want a test base? Is this for attention?
FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR
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A stupidly high dosage of Aas , expecially test e and EQ... I donated blood, changed coach , changed stack amount, and changed bp medication... but donating blood has been a game changer
FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR
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No... it can sound stupid but , to answer to your question : e2 sides can be prevented by managing e2 levels... using an AI if needed after you did blood works on your gear stack..
if you mean high BP sides , it’s about , I think, e2, aas dosage, salt intake, water intake, donating blood, and other stuff for sure.. PEDs related and not... and remember, everyone has a different reaction to everything
AlwaysHungry
Member
This guy is frying my brain 
The only three compounds I have. Figure Tren would be useful for its nutrient partitioning
SilentButDeadly
Member
If only people focused on diet and training this hard they would realize the drug choices don't matter this much. I bet 500 mg of test of week with a dialed in diet and training program would produce much better results and less side effects then any combination with tren and nandrolone.
Jestopherson
Member
Well, there's no point in running it if you're literally as tiny as you say. Ya the nutrients partitioning makes its great for a deficit. But why not run something like nandrolone? Again it sounds like you expect the gear to do the work. And you never replied to my receptor post
Jestopherson
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I'm going to disagree. My results compared to 600mg test and my current results with test, mast, and npp are vastly different.
And I'm just coming out of a cut so my diet has been a bit free per say. Training hasn't been quite as consistent either due to recent covid restrictions and work hours constantly changing. Yet I'm showing much better results compared to just test.
I also saw more side effects on my 600mg test compared to 250 test, 450npp, 300 mast
I want to try deca but the common side effect of bloating that people speak of is what keeps me away.
muscletrain
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Any monster will tell you that the bread and butter of getting big is Test. Test + GH.
No mass monster is using low dose test and a shitload of other stuff to build their mass/base. They're slamming high dose test + GH + maybe slin if their big, big boys.
Test is best. Or they're running Test/Deca for size.
The other exotics are like waxing your nice car, they all put the finishing touch on the already established size imo.
Low dose test and all the fun stuff comes in when you're getting shredded and looking for some of that veiny dick skin look.
No mass monster is using low dose test and a shitload of other stuff to build their mass/base. They're slamming high dose test + GH + maybe slin if their big, big boys.
Test is best. Or they're running Test/Deca for size.
The other exotics are like waxing your nice car, they all put the finishing touch on the already established size imo.
Low dose test and all the fun stuff comes in when you're getting shredded and looking for some of that veiny dick skin look.
AlwaysHungry
Member
Someone sell to that kid some SARMS.
Yeah some of us are lucky man, I can run 600 npp and 200 test and I would
Be fine, I’m running 400t and 600deca right now and loving it
Jestopherson
Member
I'm running nandrolone with no bloat. Sounds like your diet could use some work
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