What’s the point in running more than 200mgs of test on a cycle?

[phenominal34]

Because you need a base lmao ... almost every compound with shut your ol factory down so unless you running that hcg to keep your little balls going your going to fuck your little balls up... you won’t be producing any test... why is that so hard to grasp? You need test either naturally or synthetically ... yeah sure you can make gains with tren or an n19 compound but you will 1. Fuck yourself up long term when you do finish your cycle.. 2. You need test to maintain estrogen levels and estrogen is needed for muscle growth as well... 3. Test will always play a major role in muscle growth 4. Men depend on test for numerous other reasons it is the key hormone in our body. Why would you not want a test base? Is this for attention?

Huhhhh [emoji2361][emoji2361] where did he ever say he wasn’t going to run test ?!

 

[Cashton]

To make a statement like that indicates to me that you have never juiced and are going based on what the "book" says. And not listening to the multitude of people trying to help you.

It also indicates a lack of any basic knowledge about gear lol. 200 tren and 150 test will NEVER give you better gains than 700 test. Strength, size, or mass wise. I don't care how much you whine about "TrEn Is MoRe AnAbOliC bRo ThE bOoK sAiD sO". Imo anything less than 350 acetate a week is a waste unless you're tiny or scared of big bad tren.

You need some real world experience. You can say "everyone is different" but nah man we're all basically the same. High test will make EVERYONE huge. Low test low tren = Congrats you're now a 6 foot tall pencil cock. Idgaf how much of a special snowflake you think you might be. You're not going to get more gains taking less hormones lmao. Preposterous.


200 test / 6-700 deca = RIP to your ween lmao. Again. Real world experience tells you this.

If you can't manage your estrogen enough to go over 200 test than you also have no fucking business using steroids. Some trt guys have estro problems on 100mg a week so there goes your theory of 200 being ok. If you're bp is too high on 200 test you're too weak to be alive and again have no business juicing. Get your shit together before you think about it

Higher test will always be better for growth and strength and size other than the fucking girth orals will add to your body and maybe a blast of halo if you're trying to get your lifts up. Nobody grows on 200 test unless you're a child entering puberty

Check out steroid.com and read some of the hormone profiles. He does a good job explaining what I did and is much less of a dick about it. Eg how anabolic androgenic ratings mean sweet fuck all in real life applications

If we juiced according to AA ratings the only thing people would use is oral tren lol. Doesn't even make sense bro

Just because tren AA rating is 5x that of test doesn't make 200mg ten equal to a gram of test lmao

I mean, a little bit really overboard but the basic premise of what you say is at least true.

 

[RoidRage420]

I mean, a little bit really overboard but the basic premise of what you say is at least true.

Well I thought about being polite but seems a little argumentative and condescending. Lol

 

[GuerillaPete]

One thing i leaned from using aas and from others is that it can effect us differently.
Maybe what works for u best is not the best for the next guy.
This explains this low test high test debate.For some high test is best for others low test.
I like test but cant handle more than 1000mg/week
I like 300-500 test + anabolic better but some of my friends do better on 1000+ test and lower anabolic.Do what works for you!

 

[Sven_Northman]

So with a combination of tren mast and test how would you dose for the best growth? Is 150 test 200 tren too low?

It’s always a tie up between guys like you and those that say test is king for optimal growth.

You seem to only respond to that which you want to hear. All the others giving you good advice you ignore.

150 test? No, just no. That's a very low cruise dose, and depending on your current size and natural test levels, isn't going to do shit. If you just want to cruise and be in a normal test range then have at it. What is your previous cycle experience?

 

[RoidRage420]

You seem to only respond to that which you want to hear. All the others giving you good advice you ignore.

150 test? No, just no. That's a very low cruise dose, and depending on your current size and natural test levels, isn't going to do shit. If you just want to cruise and be in a normal test range then have at it. What is your previous cycle experience?

Previous experience = 0

"but the anabolic rating is higher waaaahhhhh" he read it probably on William Llewellyn anabolics he illegally downloaded. Now he's ready to conquor the world

You are right. He's similar to a liberal, or a woman, in that he only listens to what he wants to hear

So with a combination of tren mast and test how would you dose for the best growth? Is 150 test 200 tren too low?

It’s always a tie up between guys like you and those that say test is king for optimal growth.

The only people who say test isn't best for growth simply haven't ran it high. Or they couldn't manage their sides properly and couldn't run it long enough.

Try for yourself

Low test low tren = do you even lift?

Low test high tren = pissed off stringbean

High test low tren = big and jacked

High test high tren = huge and fucking ripped. Drowning in pussy and "bro how much do you bench" comments

Your dinky dose of test/mast/tren will not grow you. "But you need to eat". I'm telling you man if you eat enough to grow on that babby dose, the only thing growing is your waistline. Tren/mast isn't good for growth.

You sound like you want to look good. And grow. But you're scared of high doses. If I was you and knowing what I know now. This is what I would do.

500 test weekly
350 tren ace weekly
350 mast prop weekly

That's a fairly easy cycle for someone new to run.

This will put some size on you provided you eat and lift like your life depends on it. Along with your granite pp you'll also look fucking great, you'll end up bigger and leaner. If you like throw in some anavar the last few weeks to really shine up your physique.

 

[Sven_Northman]

Previous experience = 0

"but the anabolic rating is higher waaaahhhhh" he read it probably on William Llewellyn anabolics he illegally downloaded. Now he's ready to conquor the world

You are right. He's similar to a liberal, or a woman, in that he only listens to what he wants to hear

The only people who say test isn't best for growth simply haven't ran it high. Or they couldn't manage their sides properly and couldn't run it long enough.

Try for yourself

Low test low tren = do you even lift?

Low test high tren = pissed off stringbean

High test low tren = big and jacked

High test high tren = huge and fucking ripped. Drowning in pussy and "bro how much do you bench" comments

Your dinky dose of test/mast/tren will not grow you. "But you need to eat". I'm telling you man if you eat enough to grow on that babby dose, the only thing growing is your waistline. Tren/mast isn't good for growth.

You sound like you want to look good. And grow. But you're scared of high doses. If I was you and knowing what I know now. This is what I would do.

500 test weekly
350 tren ace weekly
350 mast prop weekly

That's a fairly easy cycle for someone new to run.

This will put some size on you provided you eat and lift like your life depends on it. Along with your granite pp you'll also look fucking great, you'll end up bigger and leaner. If you like throw in some anavar the last few weeks to really shine up your physique.

Solid advice right here @Exister0 If you want to run tren this is it. When it comes to this lifestyle just getting your toes wet is pointless. Go all in.

 

[chtenna94]

Huhhhh [emoji2361][emoji2361] where did he ever say he wasn’t going to run test ?!

I’ve seen him say to just run tren with no test base somewhere. And if you look at my post I also hit on a reason you want more than 200 mg of test during a cycle. Go big or go home. 200 will shut you down the same as 500 but with 500 you’ll see more gains.

 

[Abt]

Just run 400-500mgs of test for your first cycle, you don’t need other compounds and especially not tren

 

[RoidRage420]

I’ve seen him say to just run tren with no test base somewhere. And if you look at my post I also hit on a reason you want more than 200 mg of test during a cycle. Go big or go home. 200 will shut you down the same as 500 but with 500 you’ll see more gains.

Tren no test cycle lol. I can feel the sides reading that. Tren has higher affinity for receptors than test. So you need to run higher test with more powerful anabolics to keep your inchworm stiff and not feel like garbage from running your body on what it thinks is minimal test

Just run 400-500mgs of test for your first cycle, you don’t need other compounds and especially not tren

Bro he did his research he clearly knows what he's doing. lol

 

[Exister0]

Well you guys were right all along. The past few weeks with 80 test and 150 tren I’ve noticed:
- Bloating/water retention
- Lethargy
- Urges to cry for little shit
- Oversleeping
- Acne
- BP high
- Feel weak as shit in the gym with no progress despite eating in a surplus
- heart palpitations
- headaches

So of course with all of this being mentioned the first thought that came to mind was that perhaps my e2 is high since I am looking much fatter than I did just a week before lowering test. Bloating and lethargy along with acne all lead me to confidently believe it was high estradiol and that I am super sensitive to test.

Went and got my blood pulled amidst experiencing these symptoms and to my surprise, Total testosterone was at 99 ng/dL with my estradiol being at 20pg/ml. SHBG almost non existent at 2.

So it was actually low estrogen and low test which contributed to this mess.

I am just glad to know that test wasn’t the enemy all along. Will restart with just
350 test e
500 Mast
Maybe 400 NPP depending on whether it will fuck with my head like tren did. But I won’t be running tren ever again as even at 400 mgs with low test just made me fat but vascular and angry. I have aromasin on hand in case, but I doubt estrogen will be a problem.

 

[Exister0]

Another thing I’ve noticed was that my ADHD medication seemed to suddenly stop working and my appetite even went out of control.

 

[RomanMVP]

I want to try deca but the common side effect of bloating that people speak of is what keeps me away.

Aren't you one of the boneheads who recently was wringing your hands over test giving you a bloated face?? Here you go again with the bloated face shit!! What kind of a pretty boy are you? I swear this place is becoming MESO-LITE!! You wanna get seriously large, get on a cycle with a real amt. of test, otherwise GTFO!!!!! Jesus Fucking Christ!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jJjburton]

Well you guys were right all along. The past few weeks with 80 test and 150 tren I’ve noticed:
- Bloating/water retention
- Lethargy
- Urges to cry for little shit
- Oversleeping
- Acne
- BP high
- Feel weak as shit in the gym with no progress despite eating in a surplus
- heart palpitations
- headaches

So of course with all of this being mentioned the first thought that came to mind was that perhaps my e2 is high since I am looking much fatter than I did just a week before lowering test. Bloating and lethargy along with acne all lead me to confidently believe it was high estradiol and that I am super sensitive to test.

Went and got my blood pulled amidst experiencing these symptoms and to my surprise, Total testosterone was at 99 ng/dL with my estradiol being at 20pg/ml. SHBG almost non existent at 2.

So it was actually low estrogen and low test which contributed to this mess.

I am just glad to know that test wasn’t the enemy all along. Will restart with just
350 test e
500 Mast
Maybe 400 NPP depending on whether it will fuck with my head like tren did. But I won’t be running tren ever again as even at 400 mgs with low test just made me fat but vascular and angry. I have aromasin on hand in case, but I doubt estrogen will be a problem.

Can you post bloods? Curious to see other measurments when test is that low.

 

[Exister0]

Can you post bloods? Curious to see other measurments when test is that low.

Now keep in mind I completely stopped injecting my usual dose of 200 test for 2 weeks (March 5-19). During this time I noticed an increase in energy, gym performance was mediocre but cardio certainly improved. I lost what seemed to be 10lbs of water despite my diet remaining the same.

On March 19 I injected 200mg of test e (with .5mg adex) followed by 50mg test with .5mg adex on March 22. Got blood work done the next day with results showing my TT at 970 ng/dL, estradiol was 35. During the rest of the week I noticed mood swings, joint pain, water retention, and drowsiness. However the sides went away by the end of the week where I ended up losing even more weight than usual since I decided to not inject test for the rest of the week.

I injected 50mg test e on March 29(Monday) and April 2 (Friday). During this week I gained a bit more weight but not a lot, maybe 3lbs more than the last week. However due to running tren during this time I couldn’t sleep or train without fatigue/lethargy. Noticed a lot of face acne during this time.

So the recent blood work I posted was taken the following week on Monday (2 days after last injection). The rest of the week was absolutely miserable. Even though I reduced the injection to .25mg Mon/Fri I noticed a large increase in water retention, moodiness, lethargy, poor recover and endurance. The weight just seemed to stick despite eating less. Decided to drop the tren mid way through the week.

All of this now has me confused as to what exactly is causing the excessive water weight and shitty feeling. What’s strange is the two weeks I initially took off felt great, I was only running anavar during that time. Perhaps I still had residual test that kept me going from my year long cruise at 200mg test. I’m honestly not sure.

 

[Exister0]

Bump

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Lol it's so profound!
It's hormonal imbalance.
You'll always change protocols and do stupid things.
You're also kind of an anxious hypochondriac person.

Just run your fucking testosterone and let it work! Do only trt dose wait 8 weeks then reevaluate how you feel and draw bloods.
Body is not a computer settings board.
You NEED PATIENCE.
You need to run one protocol constantly to see what it does on your body.
And don't freak out and notice any minor change in the end it won't be the AAS that causing problems but your mind.

Inject your TRT once or twice a week take AI if you need one.
And just forget it , forget you injecting anabolics and enjoy your life .
Just forget about all those side effects and you won't have any.

Be stable with your TRT 1st let all the stress go and then you can add whatever the fuck you want on your cycle

 

[Exister0]

Lol it's so profound!
It's hormonal imbalance.
You'll always change protocols and do stupid things.
You're also kind of an anxious hypochondriac person.

Just run your fucking testosterone and let it work! Do only trt dose wait 8 weeks then reevaluate how you feel and draw bloods.
Body is not a computer settings board.
You NEED PATIENCE.
You need to run one protocol constantly to see what it does on your body.
And don't freak out and notice any minor change in the end it won't be the AAS that causing problems but your mind.

Inject your TRT once or twice a week take AI if you need one.
And just forget it , forget you injecting anabolics and enjoy your life body.
Just forget about all those side effects and you won't have any.

Be stable with your TRT 1st let all the stress go and then you can add whatever the fuck you want on your cycle

How come my test was so low even after running 100mg test for the week?

 

[phenominal34]

How come my test was so low even after running 100mg test for the week?

Just listen to what your being told and stop asking all sorts of questions.

Inject 2-3 times a week in your delts (same amount each day) that adds up to 150-200 mgs, let’s say 60 mgs Monday / Thursday / Saturday ... you won’t need an AI so don’t even ask. 6 weeks from now have your bloods checked again. Then come back with labs.

 

[Streetfighter V4]

I always run low test high anabolics, no more than 200mg, unless its prop then i run 100 eod, as for my guy, hes always working well even with minimum test, but then again i never ran a cycle without mast and will never do.