What’s the point in running more than 200mgs of test on a cycle?

Adex is fast acting and Aromasin takes a little longer to elicit its estrogen lowering effects. Also know that Adex can mess with lipids whereas Aromasin doesn't.

If you want to stay dry then take Anavar. Your GF might have some. OK, maybe not but couldn't resist.

Dude, just run a regular cycle of 400-500 test per week. Your low level cycle is going to suck in the results dept. and you'll be wishing you did it differently. You are not going to bloat on 500/wk any worse than 250 as long as you manage E2. I promise. Don't over think it.

Pick a start date and run it for 12 weeks. Don't take an AI until 2 weeks in and pull bloods. Apply an AI as needed to get in range. Run anavar the last 6 weeks of your cycle. Then PCT. Take HCG at 500iu/wk starting around week 2. You will feel much better and achieve your goals as long as your diet follows.

Mast is nice, but not necessary. Run it at 500-600/wk to reap the benefits from it. Low doses of it don't really add anything but make your wallet lighter. I'd save if for the last 8 weeks as its a finisher to give you a hard grainy look.
Why 500 test over 250, given what my goals are?
 
Adex is fast acting and Aromasin takes a little longer to elicit its estrogen lowering effects. Also know that Adex can mess with lipids whereas Aromasin doesn't.

If you want to stay dry then take Anavar. Your GF might have some. OK, maybe not but couldn't resist.

Dude, just run a regular cycle of 400-500 test per week. Your low level cycle is going to suck in the results dept. and you'll be wishing you did it differently. You are not going to bloat on 500/wk any worse than 250 as long as you manage E2. I promise. Don't over think it.

Pick a start date and run it for 12 weeks. Don't take an AI until 2 weeks in and pull bloods. Apply an AI as needed to get in range. Run anavar the last 6 weeks of your cycle. Then PCT. Take HCG at 500iu/wk starting around week 2. You will feel much better and achieve your goals as long as your diet follows.

Mast is nice, but not necessary. Run it at 500-600/wk to reap the benefits from it. Low doses of it don't really add anything but make your wallet lighter. I'd save if for the last 8 weeks as its a finisher to give you a hard grainy look.

Given his below answer.... why bother bro?
He needs to sit down and research AAS for 2 or so more years.
Learn how to eat and train for another 2 years... then come back and run 500mg Test

Why 500 test over 250, given what my goals are?
 
Given his below answer.... why bother bro?
He needs to sit down and research AAS for 2 or so more years.
Learn how to eat and train for another 2 years... then come back and run 500mg Test
Well I’m still going to run the cycle. I’m not disagreeing with him, just curious to know the reason behind 500 being the better dose over 250.

Sorry after already having started a while ago there’s no stopping.
 
Why was I feeling so great and losing weight during the weeks I stopped test compared to feeling shitty and gaining weight when I starting taking small amounts of test? The recent bloodwork was taken after that week where my endurance was at its worst, high water retention and acne.
For me the lack of estrogen at your levels would cause that for me.
 
There should be a rule where no one can use AAS unless they have less than 12% bodyfat and 3 years of solid training, while showing the ability to gain lean mass year after year.

Most people who use AAS look like shit, and they're just hoping the AAS will mitigate the effects of their lack of drive in the gym, and/or lack of ability to beat their food addiction, and/or lack of ability to add volume/frequency (and quality food intake) until their small amount of muscle turns into more muscle.

I've seen fat fuckers do copious amounts of gear, only to beam with pride at their 500 lb deadlift that isn't even 2x their bodyweight. Meanwhile the natty guy who adjusts his diet and training incrementally over a few years, only weighs 170 lbs, but deadlifts 3x his bodyweight for multiple reps, bangs out pullups with 50 lbs strapped to his waist, and can tie his shoes without holding his breath and nearly having an aneurism.

And guess who actually looks good with their shirt off?

The 135 lbs kid who does a gram a week (or even higher, sadly) of AAS but only trains 2 times a week without any compound movements or progressive overload always ends up gaining nothing but water and nitrogen weight, and maybe 5 lbs of fibrillar hypertrophy that he promptly loses post cycle, because he's lazy and wanted a shortcut.

Honestly, if you take that 170 lbs natty, and give him 200 mg a week of test + 100 mg of a DHT derivative, he'll not only look like a fucking god in like 3 months (maybe less, depending on how he adjusts his training and diet), but his performance metrics will make anyone jealous.

10 lbs of muscle is actually a fucking gargantuan accomplishment, and realistically looks like 20 lbs on someone's frame. It's a marathon, not a sprint. That's something alot of AAS users (even experienced guys) often forget.
Dear all knowing gym lord, what levels do we need to hit to use caffeine, can we go to creatine for our next step with your permission? It's so awful people use illegal drugs without meeting your criteria, they should know your way and only your way is the proper way to do illegal drugs.

You're the kind of dickhead that does 5 over in the passing lane and refuses to get over because you have decided what the proper amount of speeding is for everyone else
 
OP is a trolling clown. I called it when he asked 50 questions about DNP way back, which was after he did one cycle. Don't wasteanymore time responding to his never ending questions.
 
OP is a trolling clown. I called it when he asked 50 questions about DNP way back, which was after he did one cycle. Don't wasteanymore time responding to his never ending questions.
Because I’m actually curious about this. Better than being someone like you who thinks he knows everything. You know you contradict yourself by responding to me and you’ll probably respond to this post because your ego can’t let go of things.
If you’re as intelligent as you make yourself out to be then you’d simply ignore my threads and posts. But I don’t think you’re anything close to average intelligence so you’ll probably respond and add a few LMAOs and LOLs to make it seem like your feelings aren’t hurt rather than contribute any meaningful answers to my questions. Simply because you don’t know the answers so you’re better off trolling me.
 
Because I’m actually curious about this. Better than being someone like you who thinks he knows everything. You know you contradict yourself by responding to me and you’ll probably respond to this post because your ego can’t let go of things.
If you’re as intelligent as you make yourself out to be then you’d simply ignore my threads and posts. But I don’t think you’re anything close to average intelligence so you’ll probably respond and add a few LMAOs and LOLs to make it seem like your feelings aren’t hurt rather than contribute any meaningful answers to my questions. Simply because you don’t know the answers so you’re better off trolling me.
Insulting my intelligence and assuming my feelings are hurt, when you're the one asking basic questions and obviously butt hurt over my post? You've got to be kidding me. GTFO.
 
Insulting my intelligence and assuming my feelings are hurt, when you're the one asking basic questions and obviously butt hurt over my post? You've got to be kidding me. GTFO.
Look I’ve had a rough day already with my gf yelling at me and now you continuously follow my threads and contribute nothing useful. Yes I’m butthurt and already trying not to cry
 
Dear all knowing gym lord, what levels do we need to hit to use caffeine, can we go to creatine for our next step with your permission? It's so awful people use illegal drugs without meeting your criteria, they should know your way and only your way is the proper way to do illegal drugs.

You're the kind of dickhead that does 5 over in the passing lane and refuses to get over because you have decided what the proper amount of speeding is for everyone else
Not at all! When someone passes me on a bike doing well over 100 mph, I can't help but think, "Good for you man."

People deserve the freedom to live their lives as they see fit as long as they don't hurt others.

It's just funny to me how much energy and funds people put into AAS, when proper training and dieting are easily the most important parts of the equation. And it's quite true that most guys running AAS look like shit.

If something in my post offended you, it's probably because you can relate to it.
 
400 of test and 400 of tren/nandrolone is going to give better gains than 150 of test. You might get more side effects, but as far as gains, they're going to be better with higher test. I don't see how the gains couldn't be better. Whenever I have used higher test, the gains are always better. Everyone is different though.
Total androgen load.
 
Not at all! When someone passes me on a bike doing well over 100 mph, I can't help but think, "Good for you man."

People deserve the freedom to live their lives as they see fit as long as they don't hurt others.

It's just funny to me how much energy and funds people put into AAS, when proper training and dieting are easily the most important parts of the equation. And it's quite true that most guys running AAS look like shit.

If something in my post offended you, it's probably because you can relate to it.
The only part that offended me was you saying there should be a rule about when I can take steroids. If I go from 3 shitty workouts a week and %30bf to 5or6 good workouts a week with %20bf and be %50 stronger (which I use daily to be a better overall worker) and just overall happier and healthier by taking a shot a week I'm going to.

I don't think I'm even the type of guy you're talking about as I think I've always had relatively low test and I've only done what most around here would call trt but I would never want to make rules about what drugs or how much someone else is allowed to do
 
The only part that offended me was you saying there should be a rule about when I can take steroids. If I go from 3 shitty workouts a week and %30bf to 5or6 good workouts a week with %20bf and be %50 stronger (which I use daily to be a better overall worker) and just overall happier and healthier by taking a shot a week I'm going to.

I don't think I'm even the type of guy you're talking about as I think I've always had relatively low test and I've only done what most around here would call trt but I would never want to make rules about what drugs or how much someone else is allowed to do
No worries brotha. I was simply being hyperbolic by saying there should be a rule. So I clearly termed my idea incorrectly. I should have said, "Ideally" rather than "There should be a rule"

By the way, those tits are otherworldy. Who is it?
 
Given his below answer.... why bother bro?
He needs to sit down and research AAS for 2 or so more years.
Learn how to eat and train for another 2 years... then come back and run 500mg Test
Its like talking to your teenager and sharing your life experience wisdom on why they should heed your advice. But still think they're smarter than you.

“When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.”


― Mark Twain
 
Well I’m still going to run the cycle. I’m not disagreeing with him, just curious to know the reason behind 500 being the better dose over 250.

Sorry after already having started a while ago there’s no stopping.
Like I said in PM:

250 mg/week will give you enhanced gains, I’m just not sure it worth the shutdown of your HPTA axis. That’s why the usual rule of thumb is to start with 4–5 mg/kg of bodyweight/week (2 mg/lb of bodyweight/week) dosage. That is a happy medium, where increasing dosage would not significantly increase the results, but will increase the side effects. For an 80 kg (180lb) male, that means about 350–400 mg/week. Anything less than 150mg/week will only put you in the higher end of natural range, which is basically a TRT. It will enhance performance and body composition over a year time, but you can’t expect huge results in 10–20 weeks.

Cycle length should be 12–16 weeks, the same goes for this as far as benefit/risk ratio. The shorter cycles do not produce enough gains, so that it's worth your shutdown and the longer cycles start to have a diminishing return and increased tax on your body. It is important to do a good PCT afterwards, so you can keep your gains. Injection frequency is also another factor, the steadier your blood levels are, the less side effects you will experience.
 
You're the kind of dickhead that does 5 over in the passing lane and refuses to get over because you have decided what the proper amount of speeding is for everyone else
I get so irritated when that happens while I'm illegally in the carpool lane blasting 80 on my way home.
 
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