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Whats the story with PPL / DO Tadalafil/Cialis?

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I was taking actual pharma Cialis for a while, about two years or so. 5mg/day. Then I got an asston of cialis raws from DO (which I guess is relayed from PPL). The first week I took the same dosage, about 4 or 5 days in I noticed my dick was kinda "bleh", and I was starting to get headaches... almost like withdrawal. This lasted for about a week, and now I'm back to normal. Not "on cialis" normal, but "without cialis" normal. Pumps aren't as good, no more diamond erections. Then I keep reading quips and mentions about fake cialis raws from them - I've been searching the forums for actual data / test results but haven't found anything concrete. Admittedly I am kind of a moron in my forum searching skills though. Is this just a rumor or is this an actual thing?

Can anyone point me to the actual story or give me details? Are these raws just totally bunk, or just very low purity, or what? I've got a lot of it and if I just have to double the dose or whatever than so be it. I miss the pumps and boners. Did anyone Jano test these? The stuff is so cheap I'd rather just order more from a decent source than spend $ to have my stuff tested.

Thanks in advance for the help guys.
 
borkies said:
I was taking actual pharma Cialis for a while, about two years or so. 5mg/day. Then I got an asston of cialis raws from DO (which I guess is relayed from PPL). The first week I took the same dosage, about 4 or 5 days in I noticed my dick was kinda "bleh", and I was starting to get headaches... almost like withdrawal. This lasted for about a week, and now I'm back to normal. Not "on cialis" normal, but "without cialis" normal. Pumps aren't as good, no more diamond erections. Then I keep reading quips and mentions about fake cialis raws from them - I've been searching the forums for actual data / test results but haven't found anything concrete. Admittedly I am kind of a moron in my forum searching skills though. Is this just a rumor or is this an actual thing?

Can anyone point me to the actual story or give me details? Are these raws just totally bunk, or just very low purity, or what? I've got a lot of it and if I just have to double the dose or whatever than so be it. I miss the pumps and boners. Did anyone Jano test these? The stuff is so cheap I'd rather just order more from a decent source than spend $ to have my stuff tested.

Thanks in advance for the help guys.
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I'm curious about this myself. I've always used ppl for raws and never had issues, even with cialis. But my most recent order, which isn't that recent but from July of '22, I've noticed the cialis seems off.

I thought I made it wrong at first cuz it seemed weak. Mistakes can happen. So I made another batch and it still felt weak. I've been researching if there's any type of tolerance that builds up to cialis. And I was wondering if it was just me. I tried 50 to 60mg and it just felt weak. I'd still get decent erections. But I've never used it for the erections, just for a little blood pressure support. I've noticed the stuffy nose didn't come as often or as strong.

Like I said, I was thinking 2 things, 1) the raws are weak or impure, which can happen. Or 2) I've been on cialis too long and I'm just building up tolerance.

I've read anecdotal evidence that cialis does build tolerance. But as far as actual evidence that it does, I can't seem to find any. Most things I've read said you don't build tolerance.
 
Awhile back 3yrs or so, I bought some cialis raws from dragon. It had almost zero effect. I sent it to jano and it was wildly impure. I believe around 56%. I actually had a discussion about this with the old vendor colonial labs because he used the same source for his raws before going to do business with dynamite (I'm sure everyone remembers him lol)

I also vividly remember bad headaches and congestion from dragons cialis raws
 
borkies said:
I was taking actual pharma Cialis for a while, about two years or so. 5mg/day. Then I got an asston of cialis raws from DO (which I guess is relayed from PPL). The first week I took the same dosage, about 4 or 5 days in I noticed my dick was kinda "bleh", and I was starting to get headaches... almost like withdrawal. This lasted for about a week, and now I'm back to normal. Not "on cialis" normal, but "without cialis" normal. Pumps aren't as good, no more diamond erections. Then I keep reading quips and mentions about fake cialis raws from them - I've been searching the forums for actual data / test results but haven't found anything concrete. Admittedly I am kind of a moron in my forum searching skills though. Is this just a rumor or is this an actual thing?

Can anyone point me to the actual story or give me details? Are these raws just totally bunk, or just very low purity, or what? I've got a lot of it and if I just have to double the dose or whatever than so be it. I miss the pumps and boners. Did anyone Jano test these? The stuff is so cheap I'd rather just order more from a decent source than spend $ to have my stuff tested.

Thanks in advance for the help guys.
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Send it for testing !! End of conversation
 
Thanks guys. Sounds like I should just send it to Jano to know for sure, and will post the results here when I get them. I was just hoping for some more details since it seems to be a common problem.

That's also interesting about the tolerance buildup and makes a lot of sense. However, my "tolerance" seemed to happen immediately upon switching to DO cialis. 56% purity is super awful though, I wonder what the other 44% consisted of. Also, I wonder if its multiple Chinese raw vendors pulling from a single bad source batch.
 
AnTabolic73 said:
Just skip the thread. What good is commenting if youre just gonna be a cuck about it?
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He's just doing us all a service, conserving Internet bandwidth and storage for meso's servers. Right? Except now it'll just be 10 pages of "send it to Jano" when I already said I'd send it to Jano.

If anyone knows definitively what the actual story is with these raws it'd be here, since its apparently a common complaint.
 
more likely to be failed or partial synthesis or they've tried to produce a new salt rather than fake in the classic sense looking forward to seeing the lab results.
 
This has been the case with cialis raws from China for 3-4 years a lot of raw suppliers stopped even carrying it bc what they were getting was trash. One of my sources said a couple years ago they were trying to establish an importation of cialis raws from India instead
 
Goodebrah said:
This has been the case with cialis raws from China for 3-4 years a lot of raw suppliers stopped even carrying it bc what they were getting was trash. One of my sources said a couple years ago they were trying to establish an importation of cialis raws from India instead
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Yeah I've been poking around more while looking into this, seems to have trickled down to a lot of UGLs as well and a bunch of the popular "research chems" suppliers also. One major Chinese factory pumping out trash Cialis and supplying it to everyone else down the line. Also sent a sample to Jano yesterday curious to see what comes back.
 
I asked my doc for cialis. He prescribed me 20mg 90ct for three months is lke $46 at the pharmacy for generic.
 
borkies said:
Yeah I've been poking around more while looking into this, seems to have trickled down to a lot of UGLs as well and a bunch of the popular "research chems" suppliers also. One major Chinese factory pumping out trash Cialis and supplying it to everyone else down the line. Also sent a sample to Jano yesterday curious to see what comes back.
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I bet that it will come as pure Tadalafil (96% at least or so). But somehow it doesn't do anything to our body.
I bought Cialis 5,6 years ago and was as good as generic and in the last 2 years I bought from 2 different sellers and didn't do anything.
Cialis from China is useless right now no matter who is the source as all buy from the same places.
I don't know if is the same story with Viagra as that I didn't bought recently. If anyone has any recent experience with Viagra from China please share it.
 
Nilatac said:
I bet that it will come as pure Tadalafil (96% at least or so). But somehow it doesn't do anything to our body.
I bought Cialis 5,6 years ago and was as good as generic and in the last 2 years I bought from 2 different sellers and didn't do anything.
Cialis from China is useless right now no matter who is the source as all buy from the same places.
I don't know if is the same story with Viagra as that I didn't bought recently. If anyone has any recent experience with Viagra from China please share it.
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I bought Viagra Raws not long ago (kilo) and at 50mg dose it seemed rather underdosed. At 80mg it seems fine.
I didn’t have it tested
Also using 5mg Cialis per day from raws purchased recently (orals suspension) and works just fine
 
Neither their cialis or viagra raws has been working as well as pharma pills for me. Especially Viagra, which even at 100 mg doesn't do what 50 mg pharma viagra does
 
So the last 3 days I upped the dose. 1st day to 10mg of chinese raws, yesterday to 15mg and this morning about 4 hours ago to 20mg. I definitely feel something happening now, that special cialis magic is taking place. This seems to jive with what everyone else is saying here too. 20mg might have been too much.
 
I should give some Cialis pills to a friend to try as I might be too fuck up to work on me.
At 60 mg is like I took nothing.
 
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