What's your current old man cycle?

[Pootana]

I am mid 50s dropped to a trt with low dose reta … will sit here on those values for a while then boost into a cycle of enanthate and prob deca for 15 -20 weeks if blood work is good

 

[safet]

Started gym at 40. Now 3 years in. Lost 30kg of weight, fat reduced from 38% to 24 %

Last 2 years on 600 test pw, 200 tren or primo pw, depending on what i can find.

Tren made me stupid agressive first months. Now its ok

Will add npp 200 pw now

 

[bjjgear]

180 test
120 primo
4 IU GH

This is the sweet spot for me... I take out the primo for a few months a year but this is where I generally stay. Keeps my recovery on point and my size where I want it. Blood values within healthy range at all times.

 

[Itsthejuice]

I'll probably stay on what I take until I'm absolutely ripped(by normies standards) don't see the need for extra AAS, but open to low dose deca for 3 months a year (100-150mg) if I feel I need the joint support. Also thinking of adding GH, 4-6iu a day fasted. Might hold off until I'm mid 40s.

Currently: trizepatide 15mg a week, 220mg test e, 500mcg HCG a week. HBA1C, BP, blood lipids etc are all excellent. Hoping they continue to improve as I finish off my cut.

 

[LiftAR]

250mg test per wk
50mg tbol per day
4iu seros per day

 

[Pootana]

Yeah low dose deca is on next cycle for the same reasons as above

 

[roofer22]

About a month in now, feel great. Had a bit of a scare around three weeks.
Starting ast was 36 alt 28. Had a blood test for something else at week three and ast 96 alt 97.
There's no reason for these doses of these compounds to do much of anything. So I went to Chat GPT of course lol. Looks like with my previous medical history and it fits the timeline perfectly, curcumin.
I had started it between blood test which was like three weeks. I started 400 mg glutathione M/W/F. I'd be more aggressive, but I think discontinuing the curcumin will do the job.
I added it into a hematocrit stack but it doesn't seem to agree with me. I'll update after next bloods of course. No GGT because it wasn't me getting the tests.
Other than that I feel great. I feel like a beast even though I'm not. Put on about ten pounds which is expected month one.

Just wanted to report that after taking the curcumin out liver values are fine now.

 

[malfeasance]

180 test
120 primo
4 IU GH

This is the sweet spot for me... I take out the primo for a few months a year but this is where I generally stay. Keeps my recovery on point and my size where I want it. Blood values within healthy range at all times.

How is estrogen, and do you need anything for estrogen control?

 

[malfeasance]

Just wanted to report that after taking the curcumin out liver values are fine now.

That's crazy. Thanks for sharing your experience.

 

[bjjgear]

How is estrogen, and do you need anything for estrogen control?

It's good.. ~40 ng/dl. Without the primo it's at about 70. I can run 200ish of test without the need for e2 control.

 

[bastxpl]

Update – Mid-Cycle Adjustment (Week 5)

Quick follow-up to my July 11 post — I made an early tweak when nipple sensitivity hit hard (felt like my shirt was going to sand them off). Rather than let E2 creep higher, I bumped the test up, adjusted the orals, and added Masteron to tighten things up.

Current Cycle – Aug 2025 (Week 5 of 12)

Test C / Test E (combined): 500 mg/week (400 mg Test C + 100 mg TRT Test E)

Primobolan Depot: 200 mg/week

Masteron E: 300 mg/week (added Week 5)

Orals: Swapping from Dbol (40 mg/day, Weeks 5–6) to Tbol (30 mg/day starting Week 7)

HGH (Somato): 3 IU/day – 2 IU AM, 1 IU PM

Peptides & Adjuncts: MOTS-c (AM fasted), TB-500 + BPC-157 post-lift, Selank (AM), GHK-Cu sub-Q + topical, Glutathione + Methylene Blue pen (AM)


Bloods (most recent):

Total T: 1250 ng/dL | Free T: 32 ng/dL

E2 (sensitive): ~32 pg/mL

LDL: 68 | HDL: 64 | Trig: 72

CRP-hs: 0.3 | A1C: 5.1%


Diet & Training:

Calories: ~2,000–2,200/day

Macros (yesterday’s actuals): ~180g protein / 150–170g fat / ≤30g net carbs

Whole food–based keto, timed carbs on lift days

Mon/Wed/Fri: Personal trainer – HIIT, CrossFit, and powerlifting hybrid

Tues/Thurs: Rucking (3.5–5 mi, 44.5 lb)


Plan Forward:
Run this through Week 12, then do a 6–8 week TRT cruise (~100–150 mg/week) before the next cycle.

Post blast blood work comparison for comment. 1 was June mid blast and the most recent was last week, 3 weeks into cruise (300 test, 100 Deca, 3iu HGH evening, 20 mg of Oxandrolone on lift days). Please let me know what y'all think. Overall I am pleased.

ONE thing to note, I dip Copenhagen and smoke cigars which gave me a gum infection about 3 days before this recent draw. For the time being I am disregarding the WBC and related numbers.

1. Lipids & Cardiovascular Risk

Total Chol: Jun: 117 mg/dL | Oct: 98 ↓ | Ref: <200 mg/dL | Excellent.

LDL-C: Jun: 61 mg/dL | Oct: 39 ↓ | Ref: <100 mg/dL | Superb; Crestor effective post-AAS.

HDL-C: Jun: 51 mg/dL | Oct: 49 | Ref: >40 mg/dL | Stable.

Triglycerides: Jun: 62 mg/dL | Oct: 49 ↓ | Ref: <150 mg/dL | Outstanding.

ApoB: Jun: 0.58 g/L | Oct: 0.47 ↓ | Ref: <0.9 g/L | Protective.

CRP: Jun: 2.1 mg/L | Oct: 2.4 mg/L | Ref: <10 mg/L | Stable; low inflammation.

2. Hormones

Total T: Jun (blast): 2,560 ng/dL | Oct (cruise wk 2): 1,409 ↓ | Ref: 291-1,100 ng/dL | Supraphysiological; cruise maintaining.

Free T: Jun: 152 pg/mL | Oct: 83.9 ↓ | Ref: 70-300 pg/mL | Proportional.

SHBG: Jun: 17 nmol/L | Oct: 25.9 ↑ | Ref: 10-57 nmol/L | Rebounding.

Estradiol (E2): Jun: 188 pmol/L (~51 pg/mL) | Oct: 148 pmol/L (~40 pg/mL) | Ref: 73-184 pmol/L (~20-50 pg/mL) | Balanced.

Prolactin: Jun: 521 mIU/L | Oct: 417 ↓ | Ref: <424 mIU/L (~<20 ng/mL) | High-normal; monitor with Deca.

IGF-1: Jun: 188 ng/mL | Oct: 161 ↓ | Ref: 90-360 ng/mL (age 40-54) | Functional.

DHEA-S: Jun: 4.8 µmol/L | Oct: — | Ref: 2.4-12.4 µmol/L (~89-457 μg/dL) | Prior normal.

Cortisol (AM): Jun: 19 µg/dL | Oct: — | Ref: 5-25 µg/dL | Consider checking.

PSA: Jun: 0.76 ng/mL | Oct: 0.82 | Ref: <4 ng/mL | Stable.

TSH: Jun: 1.65 µIU/mL | Oct: 1.80 | Ref: 0.5-4.0 µIU/mL | Stable.

Free T4: Jun: 15.1 pmol/L | Oct: 16.2 | Ref: 10.3-23.2 pmol/L (~0.8-1.8 ng/dL) | Normal.

Free T3: Jun: 4.7 pmol/L | Oct: 4.99 | Ref: 3.5-6.5 pmol/L (~2.3-4.2 pg/mL) | Stable.

3. Liver Function

ALT: Jun: 41 U/L | Oct: 38 ↓ | Ref: 7-55 U/L | Normalized post-orals.

AST: Jun: 33 U/L | Oct: 29 | Ref: 8-48 U/L | Improved.

GGT: Jun: 22 U/L | Oct: 18 ↓ | Ref: 8-61 U/L | Healthy.

Bilirubin: Jun: 0.6 mg/dL | Oct: 0.4 | Ref: 0.1-1.2 mg/dL | Fine.

4. Core Hematology

WBC: Jun 2025 (blast): 9.8 ×10³/µL | Oct 2025 (cruise): 14.7 ↑ | Reference Range: 3.4-9.6 ×10³/µL | Trend/Comment: Elevated; likely reactive neutrophilia from gum infection, smoking, or transient inflammation?

Neutrophils %: Jun: 64 % | Oct: 74 ↑ | Ref: 55-70 % | Shift aligns with WBC; benign in context.

Lymphocytes %: Jun: 25 % | Oct: 16 ↓ | Ref: 20-40 % | Relative decrease; suggests short-term response.

RBC: Jun: 5.64 ×10⁶/µL | Oct: 5.18 | Ref: 4.35-5.65 ×10⁶/µL | Mild drop expected post-androgens.

Hemoglobin: Jun: 15.6 g/dL | Oct: 13.7 ↓ | Ref: 13.2-16.6 g/dL | Normalizing; healthy for athlete.

Hematocrit: Jun: 52.1 % | Oct: 49.2 % | Ref: 38.3-48.6 % | Slightly above range; improved, reduces risks.

Platelets: Jun: 312 ×10³/µL | Oct: 294 | Ref: 135-317 ×10³/µL | Stable.

MCV: Jun: 92 fL | Oct: 95 fL | Ref: 80-95 fL | Normal.

MCH / MCHC: Jun: 30 pg / 33 g/dL | Oct: 26 pg ↓ / 33 = | Ref: MCH: 27-31 pg; MCHC: 32-36 g/dL | MCH low; possible iron/B12/folate issue—check ferritin.

RDW-SD: Jun: 47 fL | Oct: 52.8 ↑ | Ref: 35.1-43.9 fL | Elevated; nutrient or recovery related.

5. Renal / Metabolic

Creatinine: Jun: 1.23 mg/dL | Oct: 1.22 mg/dL | Ref: 0.6-1.2 mg/dL | Stable, slightly high—athletic baseline; consider cystatin C.

BUN (Urea): Jun: 6.8 mmol/L | Oct: 6.35 mmol/L | Ref: 3.6-7.1 mmol/L | Stable.

Uric Acid: Jun: 5.0 mg/dL | Oct: 4.9 mg/dL | Ref: 4-8.5 mg/dL | Stable.

Homocysteine: Jun: 9.2 µmol/L | Oct: 8.1 ↓ | Ref: 5-15 µmol/L | Improved; SAM-e aiding.

6. Glycemic & Metabolic Control

Fasting Glucose: Jun: 91 mg/dL | Oct: 92 mg/dL | Ref: 74-106 mg/dL | Stable.

HbA1c: Jun: 5.1 % | Oct: 5.2 % | Ref: 4.0-5.9 % | Optimal.

Insulin (fasting): Jun: 6.2 µIU/mL | Oct: — | Ref: 2-25 µIU/mL | Likely stable.

NOTE: TOLD CLINIC TO SKIP AS I WASN'T IN A FASTED STATE

7. Micronutrients / Vitamins

Vitamin D (25-OH): Jun: 27.1 ng/mL | Oct: 28.9 ↑ (still low) | Ref: 30-60 ng/mL | Suboptimal; continue 3-5k IU/day.

B12: Jun: 610 pg/mL | Oct: — | Ref: 200-800 pg/mL | Prior good.
Folate: Jun: 11.2 ng/mL | Oct: — | Ref: 1.8-9.0 ng/mL | Prior above; recheck with RDW.

8. Summary of Directional Shifts & Projections (Week 6-8 Cruise)

Androgens: Status vs June: ↓ ~45% but still high | Projected: Total T ~800-1,200 ng/dL; E2 ~110-129 pmol/L | Interpretation: Settling; avoids hypo.

Blood thickness: Status: ↓ (52 → 49% Hct) | Projected: Hct 45-48% | Optimal.

Lipids: Status: ↓ markedly | Projected: LDL ~35-45 mg/dL; ApoB <0.45 g/L | Sustained.

Inflammation: Status: Flat (low) | Projected: CRP ~1.5-2.0 mg/L | Likely lower.

Renal: Status: ↔ | Projected: eGFR 65-70 | Stable.

Liver: Status: ↓ | Projected: ALT/AST <30 U/L | Recovered.

CBC differential: Status: ↑ neutrophils | Projected: Neutrophils 60-65%; WBC 10-12 | Resolution.

Micronutrients: Status: Vit D still low | Projected: Vit D 35-40 ng/mL | Improving.

 

[Liter O' Test]

Started gym at 40. Now 3 years in. Lost 30kg of weight, fat reduced from 38% to 24 %

Last 2 years on 600 test pw, 200 tren or primo pw, depending on what i can find.

Tren made me stupid agressive first months. Now its ok

Will add npp 200 pw now

adding npp to the tren or separate? let me know how that goes.

 

[bastxpl]

What do you get from it?

It's subtle, but less anxiety and better sleep in general. I definitely notice the difference on days off.

 

[safet]

adding npp to the tren or separate? let me know how that goes.

Adding npp.
Last time i had a burst vein in urinal tract. I pissed blood. I dont know if that is reason or Escherichia coli which i Got at that time also. So i wanna see now.

I was on 600test,300tren and 200npp
Mentaly i was Like a god, sexually arroused to everything , even 1/10 old women but that stopped later .

If i see complications i Will drop tren and cycle tren and npp alternative

 

[malfeasance]

Last time i had a burst vein in urinal tract. I pissed blood. I dont know if that is reason or Escherichia coli which i Got at that time also. e

Nobody ever warns young men about this risk of anal.

 

[safet]

Hahaha on tren anything is possible but no

 

[Bigwheel]

At 50 I like to use test and GH, then add in a little primo or mast. No oral and no nor-19’s. I keep total mg’s in the 100-400 range depending on goals. GH in the 3-5iu range.

 

[malfeasance]

Hahaha on tren anything is possible but no

The primary cause of Escherichia coli infection of the urinary tract is anal. This assumes you are male. Females can get it merely from having the two sets of plumbing so close together and wiping the wrong direction.

It comes from poop.

There is not really another source of Escherichia coli. You can get it from eating undercooked meat because during killing and butchering at the processing plant they are in a big hurry (time is money) and sometimes cut open the intestine and get poop on the meat. That is why steaks can be eaten rare (you are cooking the Escherichia coli dead on the surface) while burgers should be medium well (because burgers are ground meat and the Escherichia coli gets all mixed up right in the middle of your burger - to kill it you have to cook the middle, unlike a steak).

Escherichia coli comes from poop. Just a reminder.

But, but, but I know about these folks that got it from contaminated strawberries and so on . . . yep, that is because Mexico uses poop as fertilizer, and we import food from Mexico.

Escherichia coli comes from poop.

Eating strawberries fertilized with sewage or hamburgers that are undercooked does not cause poop or Escherichia coli to end up in your urinary tract.

So, in the absence of anal, how did the poop and Escherichia coli get into your urinary tract?

Escherichia coli comes from poop.

 

[safet]

The primary cause of Escherichia coli infection of the urinary tract is anal. This assumes you are male. Females can get it merely from having the two sets of plumbing so close together and wiping the wrong direction.

It comes from poop.

There is not really another source of Escherichia coli. You can get it from eating undercooked meat because during killing and butchering at the processing plant they are in a big hurry (time is money) and sometimes cut open the intestine and get poop on the meat. That is why steaks can be eaten rare (you are cooking the Escherichia coli dead on the surface) while burgers should be medium well (because burgers are ground meat and the Escherichia coli gets all mixed up right in the middle of your burger - to kill it you have to cook the middle, unlike a steak).

Escherichia coli comes from poop. Just a reminder.

But, but, but I know about these folks that got it from contaminated strawberries and so on . . . yep, that is because Mexico uses poop as fertilizer, and we import food from Mexico.

Escherichia coli comes from poop.

Eating strawberries fertilized with sewage or hamburgers that are undercooked does not cause poop or Escherichia coli to end up in your urinary tract.

So, in the absence of anal, how did the poop and Escherichia coli get into your urinary tract?

Escherichia coli comes from poop.

Calm your tits. I got it while summer camping and drinking lake watter. Whole.families got it

 

[malfeasance]

LOL, that actually is another way of getting a urinary tract infection with it