guyzcool
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I wonder if this is where rich Piana got his ideas to change compounds every 4 weeks. To keep a steady flow of gains.... interesting thought
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Anabolic Steroids
What's your opinion on first cycle using tren?
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weighted chinup
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No, there are other considerations.
I don't like going 16 or 20 weeks with a systolic of 160 and a jacked up resting HR. Having interim periods of HTN isn't great, but when they are 16 or 20 weeks long, that's even worse.
I'm more concerned with the long term effects of AAS on the heart, and this should be a consideration for most people who run aggressive cycles and are carrying a lot of size. The more I can minimize that, the better. Risk vs reward is subjective but walking around longer with messed up lipids and pre-htn or htn #'s for only a small improvement isn't worth it for me.
CdnGuy
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For the most part I agree with you Cbs & WC. Yes tren sides can not be compared to if the tren is legit or not. I've run some tren and had near no sides. My first tren run way back was parabolan Hex. I was hit very hard with sides. The aggression was a big problem, insomnia and pools of sweat in bed drove me bat shit crazy. This was not my first run with aas. To think a (young) first time user, possibly being hit with these sides is concerning for myself. But to each their own. This is why I enjoy Meso, many great points of view from our members. And we can agree to disagree 
I dont get any bp thats damgerous or high HR on cycle.
So i dont see a 12 weeks or 16 weeks that bad. Especially If You blast and cruise.
Of course bloods are needed.
The worse hdl i got on a 20 weeks cycle was 35 and there are ppl with that off cycle lol
My bp never went over 140/80 Until Now.
Usually its at 130/70 - 120/60+ on cycle.
After a 20 weeks cycle my cholesterol and all other parameters got back at perfect level after just one month of cruise at 150mg week.
It all Depends on The individual.
I like short cycles but when using deca for example its hard to do just an 8 weeks. You need around 14 weeks to get The Gain from it.
NPP is awesome but for decent dosages you need to pin to many mls and to many times a week. Fuck that shit.
To me the best would be just use tren and test with an oral (if wanted) for 8-10 weeks cycle. Rinse and repeat. If you can deal with tren sides. Some ppl just get more affected by tren then other.
I mean tren is just the shit. You bulk like a mofo on it and cut like a god as well.
Ppl are: no but deca make me swole and tren doesn't give me the size of deca.... HELLOOOOO! The size you are having is just water fucking weight.'it's not quality gains.
I'm doing tren for the second time at the moment and I'm cutting and the first time I was bulking. It's incredible how good it works... And I believe it's wasted to cut on tren. We should bulk or eat at maintenance.
I remember eating on tren above maintenance and getting big and lean instead of getting big and fat. That shit can't happen on deca or dbol or whatever.
Of course diet is key... But tren just blow all those other compounds out of the water IMHO
So i dont see a 12 weeks or 16 weeks that bad. Especially If You blast and cruise.
Of course bloods are needed.
The worse hdl i got on a 20 weeks cycle was 35 and there are ppl with that off cycle lol
My bp never went over 140/80 Until Now.
Usually its at 130/70 - 120/60+ on cycle.
After a 20 weeks cycle my cholesterol and all other parameters got back at perfect level after just one month of cruise at 150mg week.
It all Depends on The individual.
I like short cycles but when using deca for example its hard to do just an 8 weeks. You need around 14 weeks to get The Gain from it.
NPP is awesome but for decent dosages you need to pin to many mls and to many times a week. Fuck that shit.
To me the best would be just use tren and test with an oral (if wanted) for 8-10 weeks cycle. Rinse and repeat. If you can deal with tren sides. Some ppl just get more affected by tren then other.
I mean tren is just the shit. You bulk like a mofo on it and cut like a god as well.
Ppl are: no but deca make me swole and tren doesn't give me the size of deca.... HELLOOOOO! The size you are having is just water fucking weight.'it's not quality gains.
I'm doing tren for the second time at the moment and I'm cutting and the first time I was bulking. It's incredible how good it works... And I believe it's wasted to cut on tren. We should bulk or eat at maintenance.
I remember eating on tren above maintenance and getting big and lean instead of getting big and fat. That shit can't happen on deca or dbol or whatever.
Of course diet is key... But tren just blow all those other compounds out of the water IMHO
lukk3395
New Member
a little bit off topic but what is the difference between sus and test. i have seen a bunch of people lately talking about running sus also pretty much same dosages as test.
CdnGuy
New Member
The esters each contain and the frequency you need to inject each. Research my friend....
