When can I water fast after tren?

[VegasNick99]

Oh and I know I need to do something about that hernia

 

[Astartes]

Fasting has all sorts of benefits, but none of them have anything to do with bodybuilding.

If the OP is obese and diabetic, fasting can quite literally cure the diabetic portion, and the benefits for weight loss should be obvious - certainly a better plan than, well, the "I am obese and injecting tren" plan.

Personally, having been a bodybuilder, I would put together a diet and cardio and get to it, BUT, if I were diabetic I would absolutely consider a short fast. It is one of the proven ways to cure diabetes if you have not been insulin dependent for many years.

But you will lose muscle mass, and so you see the reaction of the posters here, on a steroid and bodybuilding site. I would consider that a small price to pay for becoming non-diabetic in short order.

Agree. I think most of our objection comes around the length of his proposed fast. Even more so than being on PEDs while on. (Which is pointless and potentially damaging) Intermittent fasting has as you said benefits for Type2 diabetics.

… but good God…. in the name of harm reduction OP… don’t do a 20 day water fast. That is just asking for health problems …

I keep wondering when I will see an end to the lack of education and at times sheer idiocy we get solicited with … then I walk through WM or just watch people lift at Planet Fitness and realize…

Nope… people are only getting more audacious and less educated despite literal information at their fingertips. Irks me to no end.

 

[VegasNick99]

Ah, so it's a mental issue. In the end you'll either stick with something or you won't. What makes you think fasting would be any different?

I saw noticeable fat loss on my 6 day water fast...nothing crazy but like I could kinda see it lost on my lower back and feel it which was cool to see. So like the rapid progress I could see keeping me motivated. Half a lb to a lb a day is alot comared to what I usually see lost in a week of my diets, lb or lb and a half. Its for sure mental, I lack patience and am hoping water fasting can be a quick hack even at the expense of some muscle. Then the supposed health benefits of a long term water fast are appealing as well

 

[VegasNick99]

Also is my bf estimate of 25 to 30% accurate? How many lbs of fat do you guys think I need to lose before I can have a reasonbly fit body with abs atleast alittle vissible. Im 5"10 233

 

[Astartes]

My main issue is stubborn belly fat and I wanna lose as much fat as quickly as possible. I am 25 to 30% bf and never seen my abs..I have some muscle built but not a ton. I always bail out on diets and go back to bulk for a couple months then change my mind again and go back to cutting for like a month or 2 half assed unmotivated thus getting nowhere. So in my head I almost dont even care if I lose muscle or not, I mean I do but I am just so desperate tonlose this belly fat that it becomes only priority

Not blasting you OP. Just bringing some honest truth to your situation.

There in lay the problem with the public in general.

“As fast as possible”… “I always bail out”.

The problem is “as fast as possible” will result in unnecessary rigor on your body… and you haven’t developed self control or dedication. This will not work and you will be bigger or heavier months or a year later.

There is no quick fix for this. Whether on Ozempic, or any other weight loss routine all realizable results that are not fleeting and unhealthy require a mental shift as well as physical. ALL… and I mean ALL recomp takes willpower and dedication.

Start there. Target 1 year for substantial results. It is very doable and SUSTAINABLE…

I can speak for the majority of people here, and say we would MUCH rather see you succeed and stay around as a healthy human being than give you a BS bobble headed “go for it” answer.

Listen to what the vets are saying.

Control calories. Eat 40% protein and 30-35% carbs. (Stay with low glycemic carbs. <70 on index) Go in 500-750 cal deficit. Exercise 3-4 times a week for a minimum of 1.5 hrs with 30-45 min medium intensity cardio at 130-150 Hr.

That will change your life

 

[TheRingloVale]

I saw noticeable fat loss on my 6 day water fast...nothing crazy but like I could kinda see it lost on my lower back and feel it which was cool to see. So like the rapid progress I could see keeping me motivated. Half a lb to a lb a day is alot comared to what I usually see lost in a week of my diets, lb or lb and a half. Its for sure mental, I lack patience and am hoping water fasting can be a quick hack even at the expense of some muscle. Then the supposed health benefits of a long term water fast are appealing as well

Yes, that rapid loss is from loss of glycogen and the associated water stored with it. It's the same as how people see rapid immediate results on keto diets. That tails off really quickly. Always remember that weight lost does not mean fat lost.

 

[TheRingloVale]

Not blasting you OP. Just bringing some honest truth to your situation.

There in lay the problem with the public in general.

“As fast as possible”… “I always bail out”.

The problem is “as fast as possible” will result in unnecessary rigor on your body… and you haven’t developed self control or dedication. This will not work and you will be bigger or heavier months or a year later.

There is no quick fix for this. Whether on Ozempic, or any other weight loss routine all realizable results that are not fleeting and unhealthy require a mental shift as well as physical. ALL… and I mean ALL recomp takes willpower and dedication.

Start there. Target 1 year for substantial results. It is very doable and SUSTAINABLE…

I can speak for the majority of people here, and say we would MUCH rather see you succeed and stay around as a healthy human being than give you a BS bobble headed “go for it” answer.

Listen to what the vets are saying.

Control calories. Eat 40% protein and 30-35% carbs. (Stay with low glycemic carbs. <70 on index) Go in 500-750 cal deficit. Exercise 3-4 times a week for a minimum of 1.5 hrs with 30-45 min medium intensity cardio at 130-150 Hr.

That will change your life

This is how you do it. Long, gentle, and slow works and it's actually not that difficult to stick to because you won't feel like complete ass.

Hell, if you're really in that much of a hurry then just go get lipo and be done with it.

 

[Juicedhead]

My main issue is stubborn belly fat and I wanna lose as much fat as quickly as possible. I am 25 to 30% bf and never seen my abs..I have some muscle built but not a ton. I always bail out on diets and go back to bulk for a couple months then change my mind again and go back to cutting for like a month or 2 half assed unmotivated thus getting nowhere. So in my head I almost dont even care if I lose muscle or not, I mean I do but I am just so desperate tonlose this belly fat that it becomes only priority

bro i think you have a hernia have you had that checked out?

 

[Juicedhead]

you have some good muscle a good base forsure. I think you should do a cut and stick with it you will be amazed at how different you would look and more muscular bro the illusion is a mind fuck when you get lean its crazy. Get on some good fat burners and some good gear and start a cut. cardarine i heard melts fat, if you have extra cash hgh is a good fat burner, but youre not that far away bro just a good month or two of dieting and taking some good drugs to aid you with a good diet. Shit you will be in a good spot

 

[Juicedhead]

I always tell people. The mountain may look huge when you look at yourself thinking man its gunna take so much to see my abs. But just take it one day at a time just wake up with the mentality of hey i just gotta get thru today on this diet. and boom the next day comes and the next and before you know it your a month in. Or if you have to you can even just take it one meal at a time a really break it down and dont think about the end goal just think about getting thru today wit ha perfect diet.

Edit: but before you do anything you gotta get that hernia repaired man.

 

[VegasNick99]

Ty, ..also ya I will be getting health insurance in october, I also have severe sleep apnea and am trying to get used to cpap, ..another reason I need to lose weight. I need huria surgery and deviated septum which I hope will help with the sleep apnea although I was told it may only bring the apnea numbers per hour down slightly, nothing extreme...as the main issue lies in the throat/jaw

 

[Juicedhead]

Ty, ..also ya I will be getting health insurance in october, I also have severe sleep apnea and am trying to get used to cpap, ..another reason I need to lose weight. I need huria surgery and deviated septum which I hope will help with the sleep apnea although I was told it may only bring the apnea numbers per hour down slightly, nothing extreme...as the main issue lies in the throat/jaw

yeah man i think you should try to get everything taken care of when you get your insurance. losing weight will help with the apnea i bet. after you get your health into a better place. start a good cut. in the meantime get it planned out and everything

 

[NineteenNor]

My main issue is stubborn belly fat and I wanna lose as much fat as quickly as possible. I am 25 to 30% bf and never seen my abs..I have some muscle built but not a ton. I always bail out on diets and go back to bulk for a couple months then change my mind again and go back to cutting for like a month or 2 half assed unmotivated thus getting nowhere. So in my head I almost dont even care if I lose muscle or not, I mean I do but I am just so desperate tonlose this belly fat that it becomes only priority

Yes, getting that extra weight off should be your top priority.

Fasting is a good way to aggressively drop that adiposity in your situation. I've never done 20 days but a week is g2g.

All the dudes saying you're gonna lose muscle... who fucking cares. Muscle memory hits fast especially on AAS.

 

[laclark89]

Hes going full on richard simmons lmao mabe 10 days shorter. Or are you guys are too young for that?

What the fuck

I agree retarded, but as a bb what do you think about dorian fasting for 3 days before that show because he came in too heavy and still won. I know it was out of desperation but how much muscle do you think would be lost?

 

[laclark89]

Fasting is inferior in almost every metric than more structured, intelligent dieting.

There's literally zero reason to fast for any performance based reason. It is no more effective than regular coloric restriction (when intake is equated) and is very often far less effective, and comes with a slew of negative health ramifications.


If you want to lose weight, just follow a diet plan or regimen intelligently.

Intermittent fasting? mabe on a cut if you've stagnated or maintenance phase or just let ur digestive system have a little break.

 

[Juicedhead]

Hes going full on richard simmons lmao mabe 10 days shorter. Or are you guys are too young for that?



I agree retarded, but as a bb what do you think about dorian fasting for 3 days before that show because he came in too heavy and still won. I know it was out of desperation but how much muscle do you think would be lost?

when he was an amature? Did they used to have weigh classes in the pro ranks? Well at least he wouldnt have a bubble gut and hes be peeled as fuck haha and whos richard simmons?

 

[Astartes]

when he was an amature? Did they used to have weigh classes in the pro ranks? Well at least he wouldnt have a bubble gut and hes be peeled as fuck haha and whos richard simmons?

Richard Simmons was hilarious… flaming as can be and his gym dress code always cracked me up. Honestly, one of the first fitness influencers before cell phones

 

[Juicedhead]

ohh yeah i remember that dude. first real bodybuilder.

 

[Astartes]

ohh yeah i remember that dude. first real bodybuilder.

Lmao… I wouldn’t call him a BB… Maybe a fruitcake and a wack job but… he was good for a lot of very overweight people during that era of misinformation because he preached diet and self love. He was more aerobic exercise.

 

[Juicedhead]

just to clear up any confusion a water fast means you only drink water during the fast. you dont fast from water. just making sure everyone knows that.