When/Why did training change?

[monsoon]

If you want to be the best, you have to train like the best. If you want to be a lazy ass pussy, train like a lazy ass pussy.
You're on tonight freddy, I may put this one up on the wall of my gym.
Anyway I really don't think training has changed, what's in vogue has changed. What your favorite bodybuilder/ athelete does on his latest video may not be how he trains all the time.

 

[AnimalMass]

Yes, manwhore. I have two workout partners, who are brothers (one is 20, the other is 24). Both are 6' tall, 280, and have serious abs. They are also two of the best powerlifters in the world.

Matt

ps - better not tell Pudz that training for strongman will make him fat and he'll lose size. lol

 

[monsoon]

Matt

ps - better not tell Pudz that training for strongman will make him fat and he'll lose size. lol[/QUOTE]

that's right, he may tear your head off, he's going through withdrawal and can be a little grumpy.

 

[Freddy]

Chuck...squats 1000+ with a six pack.

 

[SuperJew]

Chuck...squats 1000+ with a six pack.

Nice, he looks like the real deal. I COMPLETELY agree with you all. It's nice not to have people screaming " OVERTRAINING " at me all the time. I'm currently running a 3 on 1 off split ( Training the entire body over 3 days, taking one day off then repeating the cycle in a different rep range ) I'm growing better then I ever have.

 

[MANWHORE]

God I love the Bulgarians. Hands down, my favorite country for training. The Soveits were great too. Walk into the gym, take your pants off, squat all day in your underwear. Go to bed. Rinse. Repeat.

Also, *******, I started training with higher frequency 3 years ago - in a dual factor organized manner. Granted, I'm a powerlifter. But when I started (3 years ago) I was 170lbs. Today I'm 285. Now am I fatter than what alot of you bodybuilder guys would like? Sure. (But not very fat, if you look at my deadlift photo in the gallery). But I have to do what I have to do to get stronger. I'll compete at a ripped 242 next summer. This stuff works, regardless of what your training goals are.

Matt

I remember seeing your pic now. I didn't know that was you. I like powerlifting programs. I actually love working out when i'm using a PL program because the heavy weight makes me feel good and i don't get the lactic acid buildup i get with the slow mo reps.... Even with some fat,you can't ask for more mass gain in a three year period... You mind posting your program,if you haven't already? thanks

 

[MANWHORE]

Add more food and youve got a BBing program.

So,your saying,if PLers ate more,they would look like BBers? Then,why are so many PLers fat,if they're not eating alot?

 

[AnimalMass]

Monwhore,

At my current level of powerlifting, my training is so sport specific that it wouldn't carry over well to anyone unless they were an upper level powerlifter. I use lots of squat suit and ebnch shirt training and ultra heavy bands, etc. Really weird stuff.

However, with that said, I still squat and pull and push heavy all the time. That is the key to getting bigger and stronger.

Matt

 

[Bob Smith]

So,your saying,if PLers ate more,they would look like BBers? Then,why are so many PLers fat,if they're not eating alot?

PLers dont normally waste their time doing cardio in order to look pretty.

 

[Gavin Laird]

Popular training changed when gyms came up above ground and "fitness" became a marketable quality. Prior to that poeple trained to get a result, now the only people that do that are competitive athletes and guess what - they mostly train the same as they have for the last 30 yrs.

G.

 

[kasper2133]

The Bulgarian "secret" to training is hard work.

Every Eastern bloc nation used steroids in competition. So has America. They won medals, we didn't.

The Bulgarian system has evolved quite a bit, and JS can go into more detail, but its basically this:

1.) Train (almost) exclusively the competition lifts; the clean & jerk, and the snatch. Do almost no assistance work.

2.) Additionally, do quite a bit of front squatting, and some back squatting on occation. This is just about the ONLY assistance work you'll do.

3.) Train very fucking hard, all the time. Do tons of volume with tons of frequency, and lift maximal weights often.

4.) The idea is to perfect technique. The lifts are all about technique, so if you learn it, you'll outlift the competition. The lifts themselves build muscle efficiently because you're only building muscle exactly where and how you need it.

5.) Don't be a fucking pussy. If you're a pussy, we send you home and your family starves. We have thousands of lifters to choice from, and we don't need you. You need us. Have a nice day.

The Bulgarians are badass. Simple, yet brutally effective. It was much more than just the drugs, my friend.

Isn't the Sheiko programs a great example of that. High volume and frequency on the main lifts. DFHT in a nutshell..

 

[AnimalMass]

Sheiko uses ridiculous amounts of volume. DFHT isn't that much.

Matt

 

[Juggernauttx]

The Bulgarian "secret" to training is hard work.

Every Eastern bloc nation used steroids in competition. So has America. They won medals, we didn't.

The Bulgarian system has evolved quite a bit, and JS can go into more detail, but its basically this:

1.) Train (almost) exclusively the competition lifts; the clean & jerk, and the snatch. Do almost no assistance work.

2.) Additionally, do quite a bit of front squatting, and some back squatting on occation. This is just about the ONLY assistance work you'll do.

3.) Train very fucking hard, all the time. Do tons of volume with tons of frequency, and lift maximal weights often.

4.) The idea is to perfect technique. The lifts are all about technique, so if you learn it, you'll outlift the competition. The lifts themselves build muscle efficiently because you're only building muscle exactly where and how you need it.

5.) Don't be a fucking pussy. If you're a pussy, we send you home and your family starves. We have thousands of lifters to choice from, and we don't need you. You need us. Have a nice day.

The Bulgarians are badass. Simple, yet brutally effective. It was much more than just the drugs, my friend.

This is quite true. Just think if we had alot more interest in the US in weightlifting. if we had a bigger pool of weightlifters to pick from to compete in the Olympics. What if our national sport was weightlifting, and everyone wanted to be olympic weightlifters rather than football, or basketball players.

I think we would be able to clean house.

 

[Girth]

Sorry to hit on an old thread, but I have a few questions now that I've been on both sides of the fence. I have followed the DC, Iron Addict, (low volume) routine, and made great gains. And I've followed 5x5 for the past 6 months as well. There were countless other routines in there over the past 13 years, but those are the most recent two.

I don't discount the claims made by DC and IA about their trainee's success. I say that. because I've personally experienced it. But they also claim that volume needed is something that is genetically determined. And that most use too much. Would most here claim that volume is something that can be worked up to? I'm sure many of you have trained countless individuals. And I'm sure not all were gifted. Can Joe Schmo work up to higher volumes as well? Or is the high volume needed by those in the upper echelons only applicable to such genes?

 

[johnsmith182]

ive never trained anyone who couldnt do 5 sets of 5 on squat 3 times a week. almost anyone, maybe really anyone, can train hard. you have to believe in what you are doing.

 

[Blue09]

"2.) Additionally, do quite a bit of front squatting, and some back squatting on occation. This is just about the ONLY assistance work you'll do."

Can someone explain this one to me? I was always under the impression that big back squats were key to building some serious size and strength....then again I could see it being more useful to a olympic lifter, since they are always lifting the bar in front of them....is this the reason or is there something else behind this?

 

[Girth]

Thanks John. I was hoping you'd throw your 2 dollars worth in there. The sheer # of people you've trained would rule out any "sample size" skewing.

I do believe in the system, and the gents here for that matter, which is why I have stuck with it and will continue to do so. I think it's just the simple fact that my gains are beginning to slow significantly, as I've been doing this (weight training) for some time. I, like so many don't want to accept that, and am always searching and wondering, "what if?" But as Freddy has said, it's boring but it works. Perhaps at the end of this 5x5 cycle, I'll post on my original thread the latest results, and see if my rate of progress is slow, fast, expected?

 

[Madcow2]

I don't discount the claims made by DC and IA about their trainee's success. I say that. because I've personally experienced it. But they also claim that volume needed is something that is genetically determined. And that most use too much. Would most here claim that volume is something that can be worked up to? I'm sure many of you have trained countless individuals. And I'm sure not all were gifted. Can Joe Schmo work up to higher volumes as well? Or is the high volume needed by those in the upper echelons only applicable to such genes?

Generally one's ability to handle volume will increase over time. If I remember correctly there's a chart is Dreschler's Weightlifting Encyclopedia illustrating progression over time for elite weightlifters. Interestingly (if I again remember correctly) it drops a bit at the very top simply because the absolute weight being lifted gets to the point where it is so strenuous as to outweight the volume progression.

So there's that, and the fact the training tolerances vary widely at every level (call it genetics or a combination of genetics and other factors). So as a rule, one's own capacity will expand as one progresses but it is impossible to really make reliable comparisons between people except at more extreme differences (world champion vs. 15 year old new trainee - you'll be 100% right every time in that case).

 

[Girth]

Being neither, that would put me in the impossible rhelm, huh Crazy Calf? J/K....thanks for the scientific input. I think overanalyzation and the anality of efficiency causes me to go to the drawing board all too often.

I'll post my results in the other post I referenced.

 

[Who's Victor Martinez?]

Ahh. Finally Madcow mentioned what I was waiting to see throughout post after post of redundant babble. It depends! That's all that needs to be said. Going back to the original question-why did training style change? If you watch "Pumping Iron", you only see the Big Guys, the Genetic Freaks, the Guys who take.....oh, I think you know what they take! They can work out as much as they god-damn well please, because recover periods sure are a lot faster! But for the general population, it depends on your genetics. Some people can work their balls off in the gym and never worry about overtraining. Other people-yes, it's very much absolutely possible to overtrain. It's called Exercise Science. Buy a book. It's not b/c they're pussies (very observant ). Everyone is different and everyone has different training capacities. For me, if I do more than 3-4 sets of biceps once a week, I'll be overtraining Bi's. Period. Want to refute that? Here, I'll let you borrow them for a while. The pro's today can lift bodyparts more than once a week (even though most I know admit they don't-probably lying). But for Jonny poo-bear who doesn't juice like it's an oxygen tank, it's definitely POSSIBLE to overtrain. Plus Jonny poo-bear may have job, and can't spend all his waking hours in the gym. Pretty rational scenario I'd say.

Oh, and there was GH back in the day just on a side note. Know that gap in Aronld's teeth? Yeeeahh (disclaimer: not all people with teeth gaps take GH)
Peace.