Which compound gives you the best feelz

[Regular Joe]

Wanting to add a second compound to my 1/4cc eod of test for more motivation and energy. Npp is probably the front runner and I would start it at around the same 1/4cc eod. I've read a lot of people feel like shit on it so I'm leary(plus deca dick) but that it also helps joints and I could use some of that. D-ball or a-bombs are my second choice, everyone seems to really like the feels of d-ball and I took anadrol once before and was happy with feels but with how poor I've let my cardio get I'm worried it will leave me winded constantly. Also considering primo as I've never heard anyone say anything bad about it or maybe a small dose of tren as some people love it's feels so much.

I know this isn't the smart or meso way to do things and I should get my diet and training right but I haven't been able to do that in a long time and at this point not working out is worse for my health than adding another drug. I've upped the test as high as 500 a week, which probably put my total test around 1900, and it didn't really help so I doubt a second compound will but I feel I must try.

 

[Regular Joe]

Nope
I'm just lazy and prefer to pin less lol.
But I'm on TRT, so I dont care about the long half life of the ester

I get that, the majority of shots 8ve done in my life have been on Saturday, once a week keeps it simple.

 

[chaseychase]

This
High estrogen makes cutting a fucking nightmare

Do you have any more info on this? This is the first time I’m hearing it.

I’m having mixed results cutting on a cruise. My bloodwork shows 1100 test 55 e2 and I’m wondering if it makes sense to start taking a low dose of an AI.

 

[Megadick3000]

Dianabol. My fav steroid. Feels great, makes me very hungry, makes me strong as fuck, works very quickly (within 30 mins from the first dose), good for rapid mass gains, i get no sides beyond water retention, huge libido boost, readily available everywhere. Dirt cheap too.

Whats not to love? Liver toxicity? Not that ive ever had and i think way overblown (but also individual dependant).

Epic water retention? Keep sodium intake under control if worried. Estrogen too. Also using it while really lean seems to cause less overall bloat in my experience. Abs still fade away but comeback within days of finishing it. No biggie.

 

[Cdave.aol]

Do you have any more info on this? This is the first time I’m hearing it.

I’m having mixed results cutting on a cruise. My bloodwork shows 1100 test 55 e2 and I’m wondering if it makes sense to start taking a low dose of an AI.

I want to get more info but im just speaking in terms of visual appearance in the mirror. The fat loss itself didnt slow down, just frustrating not to see much going on

 

[Cdave.aol]

Dianabol. My fav steroid. Feels great, makes me very hungry, makes me strong as fuck, works very quickly (within 30 mins from the first dose), good for rapid mass gains, i get no sides beyond water retention, huge libido boost, readily available everywhere. Dirt cheap too.

Whats not to love? Liver toxicity? Not that ive ever had and i think way overblown (but also individual dependant).

Epic water retention? Keep sodium intake under control if worried. Estrogen too. Also using it while really lean seems to cause less overall bloat in my experience. Abs still fade away but comeback within days of finishing it. No biggie.

How does it increase hunger? Just wondering because orals generally decrease appetite

 

[Deleted member 59947]

Dianabol. My fav steroid. Feels great, makes me very hungry, makes me strong as fuck, works very quickly (within 30 mins from the first dose), good for rapid mass gains, i get no sides beyond water retention, huge libido boost, readily available everywhere. Dirt cheap too.

Whats not to love? Liver toxicity? Not that ive ever had and i think way overblown (but also individual dependant).

Epic water retention? Keep sodium intake under control if worried. Estrogen too. Also using it while really lean seems to cause less overall bloat in my experience. Abs still fade away but comeback within days of finishing it. No biggie.

I've heard of livers getting destroyed on 20mg dbol a day.

 

[Cdave.aol]

I've heard of livers getting destroyed on 20mg dbol a day.

Which confuses me more when him and some others say it improves their appetite when it should be the exact opposite. Sort of like how anadrol makes it hard to eat

 

[Megadick3000]

I've heard of livers getting destroyed on 20mg dbol a day.

Never been an issue for me. Dosed as high as 50mg, no issues, always makes me super hungry. Have used blue hearts, Kefei, and british dispensary anabols.

@dennia said he ran 100mg/ed of Dianabol for 8 months straight and his liver values werent that bad, elevated but nothing alarming.

 

[Cdave.aol]

How does it make you super hungry? That’s got to be pseudo effects unless that dbol is actually mk677

 

[Megadick3000]

How does it increase hunger? Just wondering because orals generally decrease appetite

In terms of mechansm of action? I dont have a scientific explanation. The only thing that makes me hungrier than dbol is mk677 or lady maryjane.

Ive used oral oxandrolone, stanozolol, and turinabol as well and never noticed decreased appetit, nor increased appetite. Dbol though? Huge appetite stimulant, this is actually a commonly reported effect of Dianabol, even in medical literature.

Just google “methandrostenolone appetite stimulant” or “metandienone appetite stimulant” and read away.

 

[Cdave.aol]

In terms of mechansm of action? I dont have a scientific explanation. The only thing that makes me hungrier than dbol is mk677 or lady maryjane.

Ive used oral oxandrolone, stanozolol, and turinabol as well and never noticed decreased appetit, nor increased appetite. Dbol though? Huge appetite stimulant, this is actually a commonly reported effect of Dianabol, even in medical literature.

Just google “methandrostenolone appetite stimulant” or “metandienone appetite stimulant” and read away.

Thanks hopefully there’s an article that can break it down for me

 

[Cdave.aol]

So far I haven’t any luck with google scholar. So I’m guessing it’s either something to do with it’s dramatic increase of estrogen or something dopamine related. I figure dopamine may play a role as to why guys feel really good when running it

 

[dennia]

I've heard of livers getting destroyed on 20mg dbol a day.

They used for medical purposes as a TRT in 70s and people used for years straight and didn't get no one liver failure
Same with anadrol that was used for medical purposes to treat anemia and they take for months at a dose of 1-5 mg/kg
Is a lot of BS with orals and liver damage. Liver can handle a lot and can regenerate after the use

 

[Megadick3000]

So far I haven’t any luck with google scholar. So I’m guessing it’s either something to do with it’s dramatic increase of estrogen or something dopamine related. I figure dopamine may play a role as to why guys feel really good when running it

Ive never read any explanation for it, from a scientific perspective. I do recall hearing its even prescribed in some countries as an appetite stimulant though.

Its funny you mention the dopamine. I dont know the mechanisms of action of dbol in the brain, but the last time i used dbol (50mg/ed split 5x/day) i was taking yohimbine (only 6mg pre workout), id come out of the gym honestly feeling like i was on cocaine, but it lasted 4-5 hours straight. Unreal euphoria, literally felt like cocaine. Ive used yohimbine many times without dbol, never gotten that effect, used dbol withoit yohimbine and felt good but not cocaine-lvl good...but with dbol and even low dose yohimbine then working out... afterwards it was an incredible feeling very cocaine-like but less adrenergic side effects, basically just the godly ontop of the world euphoria of cocaine without the tweaking out effects of excess norepinephrine.

 

[Cdave.aol]

Ive never read any explanation for it, from a scientific perspective. I do recall hearing its even prescribed in some countries as an appetite stimulant though.

Its funny you mention the dopamine. I dont know the mechanisms of action of dbol in the brain, but the last time i used dbol (50mg/ed split 5x/day) i was taking yohimbine (only 6mg pre workout), id come out of the gym honestly feeling like i was on cocaine, but it lasted 4-5 hours straight. Unreal euphoria, literally felt like cocaine. Ive used yohimbine many times without dbol, never gotten that effect, used dbol withoit yohimbine and felt good but not cocaine-lvl good...but with dbol and even low dose yohimbine then working out... afterwards it was an incredible feeling very cocaine-like but less adrenergic side effects, basically just the godly ontop of the world euphoria of cocaine without the tweaking out effects of excess norepinephrine.

Interesting. However dopaminergic drugs like cocaine and adderal also kills appetite whilst giving a euphoric high. So it can’t be as simple as Dbol=more dopamine= more hunger. So maybe it’s the sharp spike in estrogen itself that causes appetite change. I’m guessing dbol doesn’t damage your liver enough to where that effect would cancel out.

I’m just pulling bro science out of my ass btw

 

[Megadick3000]

Interesting. However dopaminergic drugs like cocaine and adderal also kills appetite whilst giving a euphoric high. So it can’t be as simple as Dbol=more dopamine= more hunger. So maybe it’s the sharp spike in estrogen itself that causes appetite change. I’m guessing dbol doesn’t damage your liver enough to where that effect would cancel out.

I’m just pulling bro science out of my ass btw

Possible. Its worth noting that cocaine is an SNDRI or TRI (triple reuptake inhibitor), inhibiting synaptic reuptake of dopamine, serotonin, and norepinephrine. Ive used selective DRIs and their effects are nowhere near cocaine-lvl euphoria.

Yohimbine has varied pharmacodynamics beyond just its adrenergic effects.

As for dianabols psychopharmacological effects? Id love to know but have never read any science on that. It definitely does something in the brain, possibly dopaminergic in nature but could work through opioid system. I do know opiates stimulate my appetite, so do cannabinoids, so maybe this could be a mechanism either through Mu opiate receptors or perhaps the endocannabinoid system. Either directly binding to these receptors or increasing levels of endogenous ligands for these receptors.

Not sure how estrogen would interplay in this. But i always run a SERM. I generally dont use AIs anymore as i hate crashing my estrogen, and ive never had gyno issues. Even in the presence of SERM use the appetite stimulation happens for me.

 

[Cdave.aol]

Possible. Its worth noting that cocaine is an SNDRI or TRI (triple reuptake inhibitor), inhibiting synaptic reuptake of dopamine, serotonin, and norepinephrine. Ive used selective DRIs and their effects are nowhere near cocaine-lvl euphoria.

Yohimbine has varied pharmacodynamics beyond just its adrenergic effects.

As for dianabols psychopharmacological effects? Id love to know but have never read any science on that. It definitely does something in the brain, possibly dopaminergic in nature but could work through opioid system. I do know opiates stimulate my appetite, so do cannabinoids, so maybe this could be a mechanism either through Mu opiate receptors or perhaps the endocannabinoid system. Either directly binding to these receptors or increasing levels of endogenous ligands for these receptors.

Not sure how estrogen would interplay in this. But i always run a SERM. I generally dont use AIs anymore as i hate crashing my estrogen, and ive never had gyno issues. Even in the presence of SERM use the appetite stimulation happens for me.

I hear estrogen does play a role in person appetite.
The thing that sucks is we probably won’t know for sure. So the answer like always will be “Everyone reacts differently” I hope we can expand the AAS highlights section to go into further detail on unique commonly noted experiences. The Dnp sub mainly discuss sources rather than user experiences.

 

[Megadick3000]

I hear estrogen does play a role in person appetite.
The thing that sucks is we probably won’t know for sure. So the answer like always will be “Everyone reacts differently” I hope we can expand the AAS highlights section to go into further detail on unique commonly noted experiences. The Dnp sub mainly discuss sources rather than user experiences.

Well i started digging around a bit and found this:

Anabolic steroids act at androgen receptors to influence cellular functioning and gene expression. In addition to regulating pathways involved in the development of male characteristics,https://www.drugabuse.gov/node/875 activation of androgen receptors also produces rapid increases in calcium levels within skeletal muscle, heart, and brain cells.https://www.drugabuse.gov/node/875 Calcium plays important roles in neuronal signaling.

Research with human cells demonstrates that anabolic steroids also interact with certain types of GABAA receptors, which could mediate the increased anxiety reported by steroid users.https://www.drugabuse.gov/node/875 In addition, animal studies show that anabolic steroids increase serotonin levels in brain regions involved in moodhttps://www.drugabuse.gov/node/875 and dopamine levels in reward-related brain regions.https://www.drugabuse.gov/node/875 Chronic use of anabolic steroids has also been shown to cause dysfunction of these reward pathways in animals. Specifically, rats given twice daily nandrolone injections for four weeks showed loss of sweet preference (a sign of reward dysfunction) that was accompanied by reductions of dopamine, serotonin, and noradrenaline in the nucleus accumbens, a reward-related brain region.https://www.drugabuse.gov/node/875

Taken from (where u can get the referenced studies):
Anabolic Steroids in the Brain


Then i found this below, which looks like an incredible read and i am reading the entire thing but its gonna take awhile. Doing a preliminary skim though, AAS effect serotonin, dopamine, GABA, opioid, and NMDA systems among much more. This is a really fascinating and comprehensive read.

Anabolic androgenic steroids in the brain

 

[Cdave.aol]

Well i started digging around a bit and found this:

Anabolic steroids act at androgen receptors to influence cellular functioning and gene expression. In addition to regulating pathways involved in the development of male characteristics,https://www.drugabuse.gov/node/875 activation of androgen receptors also produces rapid increases in calcium levels within skeletal muscle, heart, and brain cells.https://www.drugabuse.gov/node/875 Calcium plays important roles in neuronal signaling.

Research with human cells demonstrates that anabolic steroids also interact with certain types of GABAA receptors, which could mediate the increased anxiety reported by steroid users.https://www.drugabuse.gov/node/875 In addition, animal studies show that anabolic steroids increase serotonin levels in brain regions involved in moodhttps://www.drugabuse.gov/node/875 and dopamine levels in reward-related brain regions.https://www.drugabuse.gov/node/875 Chronic use of anabolic steroids has also been shown to cause dysfunction of these reward pathways in animals. Specifically, rats given twice daily nandrolone injections for four weeks showed loss of sweet preference (a sign of reward dysfunction) that was accompanied by reductions of dopamine, serotonin, and noradrenaline in the nucleus accumbens, a reward-related brain region.https://www.drugabuse.gov/node/875

Taken from (where u can get the referenced studies):
Anabolic Steroids in the Brain


Then i found this below, which looks like an incredible read and i am reading the entire thing but its gonna take awhile. Doing a preliminary skim though, AAS effect serotonin, dopamine, GABA, opioid, and NMDA systems among much more. This is a really fascinating and comprehensive read.

Anabolic androgenic steroids in the brain

The flight or fight behavior changes from increased AAS was definitely interesting to read about. Makes sense as to why guys feel increased confidence and or aggression during cycles

 

[Deleted member 59947]

In terms of mechansm of action? I dont have a scientific explanation. The only thing that makes me hungrier than dbol is mk677 or lady maryjane.

Ive used oral oxandrolone, stanozolol, and turinabol as well and never noticed decreased appetit, nor increased appetite. Dbol though? Huge appetite stimulant, this is actually a commonly reported effect of Dianabol, even in medical literature.

Just google “methandrostenolone appetite stimulant” or “metandienone appetite stimulant” and read away.

Have you ever used Testosterone base cream on your scrotum or injected Test no ester?

How would you compare its effects to Dbol's?