Who here is on a statin?

I’m on 5mg Rosuvastatin and 10mg Ezetimibe. I consume roughly 60g of fiber daily (powerful and underrated way to reduce LDL as well).

Recent LDL: 25
I haven’t had ApoB checked in about a year but it was around 40 and might even be less now if I had to guess.

OTC supplements like citrus bergamot really don’t produce a dramatic enough effect and cost a lot more anyway. Not to mention there are no outcome studies on humans showing reduced mortality or cardiovascular events on supplements that mildly reduce LDL
+1 on the importance of fibers. Adding a can of red beans to my diet, along with 2 handful of nuts, has lowered my LDL to below 70. Despite not being on any LDL-lowering drugs at the time, and eating plenty of animal fats.
 
Yes rosuvastatin is great
I used atorvastatin 10mg because no access to roruvastatin now
Ezetimibe 10mg
And finofibrate 67mg
Because everithing is crazy high
4,5gl ldl
0,17g hdl
And 11,5g/l triglicerid
 
Idk who you are so why are you assuming I’m replying to you. My statement is to the entire idiotic community that would do tren and demonize a statin.

Pharmaceuticals should be the first resort.

Once the endothelial glycocalyx is damaged you will have plaque build up, end of story. So eliminate as many of the variables as you can. IE- lipids, BP, inflammation (a whole other topic)

Im not playing games with atherosclerosis to try some bologna concoction of 17 herbs and spices.
Are you telling me that people taking red yeast rice because it’s “natural” despite literally being a statin just with less quality control and dosing seems odd to you?

In all seriousness, couldn’t agree more. It’s like the people who will toss another oral in just to see how it feels pre-workout but will avoid an ACE or and ARB because “I think I can get it down with electrolytes, 130/85 used to be considered normal anyway so I’m not worried”
 
Are you telling me that people taking red yeast rice because it’s “natural” despite literally being a statin just with less quality control and dosing seems odd to you?

In all seriousness, couldn’t agree more. It’s like the people who will toss another oral in just to see how it feels pre-workout but will avoid an ACE or and ARB because “I think I can get it down with electrolytes, 130/85 used to be considered normal anyway so I’m not worried”
Yes it’s litteraly a statin but cost way more and not as well labelled as med
So i don’t recommended
 
Are you telling me that people taking red yeast rice because it’s “natural” despite literally being a statin just with less quality control and dosing seems odd to you?

In all seriousness, couldn’t agree more. It’s like the people who will toss another oral in just to see how it feels pre-workout but will avoid an ACE or and ARB because “I think I can get it down with electrolytes, 130/85 used to be considered normal anyway so I’m not worried”
Yes but AcE and ARB can affected you kidney fonction in the long run so be careful with that too
Indapamide SR could be enough with this kind of blood pressure
 
Yes but AcE and ARB can affected you kidney fonction in the long run so be careful with that too
Indapamide SR could be enough with this kind of blood pressure
That’s not an actual case study I’m just saying things. Also unless you have busted kidneys, ACE’s and ARB’s are renal protective. Not sure why you would use indapamide as a first line in bodybuilders who already have worries about hematocrit and altered electrolyte metabolism. Regardless, not the point I was making and a bit off topic.
 
That’s not an actual case study I’m just saying things. Also unless you have busted kidneys, ACE’s and ARB’s are renal protective. Not sure why you would use indapamide as a first line in bodybuilders who already have worries about hematocrit and altered electrolyte metabolism. Regardless, not the point I was making and a bit off topic.
Yes they are when you had your kidney injured like mind
But when you don’t had a problem with kidney if you used too much your kidney gonna suffer
I will advice to nut used more than 20mg telmisartan
Forxiga can also be good way to start

I don’t have a problem with hematocrit
And a small dose of indapamide sr don’t really change a lot your electrolytes no
Telmsisartan does and other too
 
Yes they are when you had your kidney injured like mind
But when you don’t had a problem with kidney if you used too much your kidney gonna suffer
I will advice to nut used more than 20mg telmisartan
Forxiga can also be good way to start

I don’t have a problem with hematocrit
And a small dose of indapamide sr don’t really change a lot your electrolytes no
Telmsisartan does and other too
At doses below 80mg, Telmisartan is safe long-term. See my posts in this thread: BP Meds possibly linked to kidney damage
 
Thats a good topic, but all those meds can cause hyperkalemia
So without bloodworks you can in fact developpe an acute kidney injurie
If it’s not well dosed
They are great but for a BP at just like he said 130/85 i don’t think they are the best option in this case
Indeed, as I discuss in the linked post:

It is worth noting that ARBs are generally very well tolerated. It is very very rare for them to cause serious side effects such as acute kidney failure. But a small risk remains and so I highly recommend everyone to do the bloodwork to be on the safe side.

Speaking of blood work, it should also include potassium levels. As noted in (2) hyperkalemia (excess potassium levels in the blood) is another potential side effect of ARBs. Hyperkalemia occurs in up to 6% of users [2]. Severe hyperkalemia can cause cardiac arrhythmias, which is particularly concerning for enhanced bodybuilders with their high risk of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy.
The risk of hyperkalemia is increased by taking potassium supplements, using salt substitutes, taking beta-blockers, and taking potassium‐sparing diuretics. So avoid all that and regularly get blood work to check on your potassium levels.
 
Decided to just give ezetimibe a go for giggles, assuming I’d need to throw on a couple other agents immediately. 10mg daily dropped my LDL to 100 and had maintained that.

That's amazing. I tried ezetimibe monotherapy for a while and had mediocre results.

I’m taking 10mg/10mg of Rosuvastatin/Ezetimibe. I’m getting labs Wednesday. I have at least 12 months worth of bempedoic acid 180mg. If my lipids justify it would you add 180 or can you split them?

I dug into the literature a bit on this. There's sparse information, but I did find one study from 2018 that showed a trial of 40mg, 80mg, and 120mg. 120mg daily reduced LDL-C by >20%. 180mg daily is generally around 25-28%. There should still be some benefit in terms of reducing LDL-C, but the 180mg dose was settled upon pretty early on and is the subject of the CLEAR outcomes trial. If you're at risk for the progression of plaque burden, which I presume because of your existing pharmaceutical interventions, then I would wager, you'd benefit from smashing ApoB to as low a number as possible.

I think this boils down to the flush vs flush free products. I've only taken Niacin w/ flushing, have had no liver or insulin sensitivity issues;

Not really.



Seems that any dietary niacin taken in excess could be a problem.

Then why is ezetimibe superior (it seems so from most replies on here)? Do you mind explaining? I'm not at all educated when it comes to cholesterol medications.
It's cheap and relatively benign in terms of side effects. Further, I think it was popularized several years ago by one of the YT dudes (now dead) "Leo and Longevity".

+1 on the importance of fibers.

Psyllium husk in particular will sequester bile acid in the gut triggering the liver to take up cholesterol to synthesize more bile acids. Bound bile acids and cholesterol are excreted. It and other forms of fiber is fermented by gut bacteria creating short chain fatty acids like propionate which inhibits cholesterol synthesis in the liver.

Rosuvastatin: lowers cholesterol synthesis throughout the body
Ezetemibe: lowers absorption of cholesterol in the gut
Bempedoic Acid: lowers cholesterol synthesis specifically in the liver

Rosuvastatin is a hydrophilic statin meaning that it doesn't cross the blood brain barrier and is though to have a better side effect profile as a result.

All statins inhibit HMG-CoA reductase which is an enzyme needed to create mevalonate, a precursor in the biosynthesis of cholesterol. As a result of this, LDL synthesis is reduced.

As a result of this inhibited synthesis, the liver increases the expression of LDL receptors which remove more LDL from the blood stream.

Ezetimibe inhibits the absorption of cholesterol absorbed in the small intestine which in turn reduces cholesterol delivered to the liver. This again causes the liver to upregulate LDL receptors removing more LDL from the bloodstream.

Bempedoic acid is a prodrug, that is activated only the liver by a particular liver enzyme (ACSVL1) which is thought to reduce the potential for muscular side effects that statins may have. Once activated it inhibits ATP citrate lyase (ACL) which is an enzyme required for cholesterol biosynthesis and so the synthesis of cholesterol is reduced.

...and (tell me if you've heard this before) as a result of diminished cholesterol synthesis, the liver yet again upregulates LDL receptors removing even more LDL from the bloodstream.

PCSK9 inhibitors (Repatha, Inclisiran or LEQVIO) work by inhibiting the protein PCSK9 which degrades the LDL receptors resulting in an increase number of LDL receptors in the liver and we know what happens next.
 
2.5 of Rosuvastatin for 2 years. I almost typed I've had no sides, but I've been diagnosed with bilateral DCO (while I was not lifting) soon after getting on Rosuvastatin, so it may have caused the DCO I developed earlier to flare up - this thread helped me connect the dots
 
Ezetimibe alone most of the time isn’t enough to controle cholesterol
About cancer and statin
Nothing demonstrate that statin can cause cancer
It can cause rhabdo yes but cancer no
 
Doc wants to put me on a statin for my colesteral. Any of you guys on one and would you recommend it?
Been on Atorvastatin 40mg for years. Keeps total cholesterol at approx. 100 regardless of PED usage with no noticeable sides. One of the rare "free lunches" in the pharma universe. Can't help myself to laugh when steroid users knock statins.

Very high doses of UGL steroids, GH and unapproved peptides and other compounds? Hell yes!
Statins, FDA approved and one of the most researched and widely used drugs globally with excellent safety profile? Hell no! too risky...
 
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Been on Atorvastatin 40mg for years. Keeps total cholesterol at approx. 100 regardless of PED usage with no noticeable sides. One of the rare "free lunches" in the pharma universe. Can't help myself to laugh when steroid users knock statins.

Very high doses of UGL steroids, GH and unapproved peptides and other compounds? Hell yes!
Statins, FDA approved and one of the most researched and widely used drugs globally with excellent safety profile? Hell no! too risky...
Pretty funny but your right
 
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