Anonymous35
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No we know far more thing about medicine than doctor, we are by definition the specialist of medicine
Every week i report a big mistake from a prescription so saying « we are useless it’s a little bit of a stretch »
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Every week i report a big mistake from a prescription so saying « we are useless it’s a little bit of a stretch »
Sicsemptyran
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I mean this in the nicest way possible, you’re completely and utterly delusional.
Anonymous35
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iris
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Maybe in your country things work a little differently, within this environment, than in other countries?
Anonymous35
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Sure in france lots of meds aren’t even available
But when i tap on google « who the expert of medication » the answer is pharmacist
Not doctor
iris
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There may be a little bit that kind of gets lost in translation.
I understand how you mean it from your point of view, which has nothing to do with actual diagnosis and prescription, though.
egruberman
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There's lots of ad hominem going in both directions. Can it.
egruberman
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There are good doctors and bad doctors, good cardiologists and bad cardiologists. Ultimately, it shouldn't be difficult to present a reasoned argument regardless of one's profession. I'll stake my knowledge of ASCVD and its prevention against most cardiologists even though I'm a lay person. I suspect I'd come up with better outcomes most of the time.
That said, I ain't doing heart surgery any time soon.
I've been following this thread because of an interest in rosuvastatin, since I plan on running anavar during my ongoing cut and anticipate negative lipid effects, but having observed the last page of this thread discussing telmisartan, I feel compelled to give my personal anecdote.
I'm impartial to all of the parties involved in this "debate," but I've personally been taking 80mg of telmisartan daily for over six months without any significant effect on my potassium level. Obviously everyone's physiology and health circumstances are unique to them individually, and it's always wise to begin with the lowest effective dose of any chemical substance, but I just wanted to give another example of someone taking a relatively robust dose of this medication who has only experienced positive blood pressure lowering effects without any detrimental side effects thus far.
Just my two cents. I also feel that confrontational rhetoric is generally unhelpful. We're all here in this niche community partaking in a lifestyle that is very much taboo and ostracized by society at large. This should be the one place where we can find solidarity and support from fellow travellers, as we're all here to learn and grow as we navigate the health complications we encounter using PEDs.
But I don't mean to come across as preachy. Ignore me and carry on as you see fit.
I'm impartial to all of the parties involved in this "debate," but I've personally been taking 80mg of telmisartan daily for over six months without any significant effect on my potassium level. Obviously everyone's physiology and health circumstances are unique to them individually, and it's always wise to begin with the lowest effective dose of any chemical substance, but I just wanted to give another example of someone taking a relatively robust dose of this medication who has only experienced positive blood pressure lowering effects without any detrimental side effects thus far.
Just my two cents. I also feel that confrontational rhetoric is generally unhelpful. We're all here in this niche community partaking in a lifestyle that is very much taboo and ostracized by society at large. This should be the one place where we can find solidarity and support from fellow travellers, as we're all here to learn and grow as we navigate the health complications we encounter using PEDs.
But I don't mean to come across as preachy. Ignore me and carry on as you see fit.
Sicsemptyran
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I appreciate your note regarding telmisartan.
Agreed regarding the tone and apologies to all for allowing that to devolve into insults, I took umbrage with broad statements I found unfounded and that I thought could lead to harm, but doesn't excuse it all the same.
Just for the record, my post was not meant to be directed at anyone in particular in this thread. Since joining this site/forum last summer, I've come across a plethora of invaluable information and observed stimulating and productive discussions among many of the members here in the vast majority of threads. I'm very grateful to have a community like this to lean on for assistance/knowledge. It's just a bit disheartening when I see some of the aggressiveness and vitriol among the members towards each other, because I have the mentality that we're all on the same side here, at the end of the day. Bickering, clowning, and bullshitting with each other can be funny as hell, but there's a certain tone that some people post with that indicates they're legitimately trying to be hurtful and insulting, and I think the less we have of that, the better it is for the quality of the community.
But anyway, props to you for posting what you did. Gestures of good faith like that speak volumes to one's character and maturity, so tip of the hat to you.
Anonymous35
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In france not that much we did the exact same job
Only difference is the paycheck
In USA, Doctor of Pharmacy degree for pharmacists, and technicians only needs a high school diploma or equivalent and the ability to follow the pharmacist's orders.
Anonymous35
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Okay but in france is the same for pharmacist
But if your work as pharmacy technician at the hospital is a bachelor degree
Anonymous35
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But you can still be a pharmacist without still be a doctor of pharmacy
They have 5 years to write a report about a topic they want
They have 5 years to write a report about a topic they want
You can't say that. Pharmacist did medicine school, 6 years of studies and have responsabilities. You did a 2 years pretty easy diploma. Don't lie to yourself. I know that I did the DEUST préparateur en pharmacie
10mg of Lipitor lowered my LDL from 168 to 102 in 2 months and my ApoB from 130 to 83. My cardiologist wants me to go to 20mg next to get below 100. I've asked her why not Zetia and her response is the blanket "American College of cardiology recommends maxing out statins" yet male optimization clinics are keeping statins low and prescribing the other drugs mentioned. I don't understand why every male who has relatively elevated LDL isn't on a statin as a prophylactic. The crazy thing is literally nearly all people I talk to think who have tried or are on statins they have some side effects related to statins it's completely insane. My wife's cousin stopped bc his "hip hurt" on 5 mg of Crestor I mean it's insane.
I am 43 and cycled heavily 15 years ago and have a calcium score of 175 or so IIRC. I wish I knew this years ago. Also my Lp(a) is EIGHT which is rock bottom so this isn't genetic. It's from steroid abuse IMO.
That being said my carotids are both clean and my other cardiac testing has been normal. No Cath Lab yet.
I am 43 and cycled heavily 15 years ago and have a calcium score of 175 or so IIRC. I wish I knew this years ago. Also my Lp(a) is EIGHT which is rock bottom so this isn't genetic. It's from steroid abuse IMO.
That being said my carotids are both clean and my other cardiac testing has been normal. No Cath Lab yet.
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Sicsemptyran
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Sadly a lot of the professional societies are incredibly behind the times. The endocrinologist society doesn't recommend testing vitamin d in any patients due to the "cost", despite cash pay for the test being under $20. As @egruberman says, anyone can know more about a subject than anyone else, and it is on patients to educate and advocate for themselves as well as try to find doctors who do the same. My wife is a doctor and what she sees other doctors recommend in certain situations horrifies us both.
Taking a statin from 10-20mg instead of adding Zetia isn't really a "horrifying" thing as I'd imagine they will both get you to the same place in the end. It seems that Zetia at the moment in American medicine seems reserved for those that have maxed out their statin dosages. She also told me that she viewed Lipitor and Creator as "interchangeable" bc I asked why she didn't prescibe Crestor. Taking this damn pill before bed instead of in the AM isn't always easy to remember. It's frankly, stupid if I can take a pill with a longer half life in the morning for the same effect.
