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Who here is on keto and how are you liking it?
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TheH0517
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Yes, I use Recipes on ruled.me
They have recipes for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and desserts. I have yet to make one that tastes bad.
I use my fitness pal app to calculate macros and add olive oil when necessary to hit my fat intake. I also add lite salt (50/50 sodium: potassium) to everything. Chicken broth and avocado once a day. 3 weeks in and I’m not only seeing results but enjoying the change-up in Foods.
They have recipes for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and desserts. I have yet to make one that tastes bad.
I use my fitness pal app to calculate macros and add olive oil when necessary to hit my fat intake. I also add lite salt (50/50 sodium: potassium) to everything. Chicken broth and avocado once a day. 3 weeks in and I’m not only seeing results but enjoying the change-up in Foods.
TheH0517
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No problem, let me know if you have any other questions. I’m not expert but I’ve done a good bit of research and have some experience now as well.
TheH0517
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10g?! No way. I use 25g of net carbs. So the total amount of carbs minus fiber equals net carbs and I make sure to stay under 50g of total carbs. You can go lower than that but it depends on your goals and how much weight your actually trying to lose. I read 70-75% fat, 20-25% protein, 5% carbs is a good macro split.
I’ve never used keto for putting on weight. I’ve only used it for cutting and it’s worked great so far. The water weight from carb depletion will drop the first 4-5 days and then the fat will slowly come off over the next few weeks. I’m down from 205lbs to 188lbs in almost 3 weeks. 15lbs came off the first week and the rest has come off over the next 2. I’ve heard it works great for building muscle as well (high-fat intake supposedly spares protein better than carbs) but I’ve also heard it’s not healthy to stay on a keto diet long-term because of the nutrient-deficiency it can create. Not sure how factual either of those statements are.
I would be interested in someone’s first-hand experience with keto during a bulk. I just feel there’s better ways of obtaining those goals.
I’ve never used keto for putting on weight. I’ve only used it for cutting and it’s worked great so far. The water weight from carb depletion will drop the first 4-5 days and then the fat will slowly come off over the next few weeks. I’m down from 205lbs to 188lbs in almost 3 weeks. 15lbs came off the first week and the rest has come off over the next 2. I’ve heard it works great for building muscle as well (high-fat intake supposedly spares protein better than carbs) but I’ve also heard it’s not healthy to stay on a keto diet long-term because of the nutrient-deficiency it can create. Not sure how factual either of those statements are.
I would be interested in someone’s first-hand experience with keto during a bulk. I just feel there’s better ways of obtaining those goals.
TheH0517
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Well I learned from researching and asking question just like you’re doing!
Just let me know if you need help and I’ll do my best.
Just let me know if you need help and I’ll do my best.
That’s more of the “medical” keto. The bodybuilding/athletes performance keto is higher in protein and lower in fat. Just sayn.
TheH0517
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And I don’t know much about the “bodybuilding” keto. But I do know if you consume more protein than necessary, you’re body doesn’t only throw itself out of ketosis but it also enters gluconeogenesis. This is when your body converts protein into glucose for energy, therefore leaving no fuel for muscle and tissue growth. Lose, lose situation.
In theory yes. In practice. Not necessarily.
D-max
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Explain.
TheH0517
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Ya, I can only go by what I’ve learned through research. I’m no scientist. I can understand the concept enough to believe it.
I do supplement with a carb-free protein blend shake immediately following my workout, but I also add 2 tbsp of heavy whipping cream to make sure there’s fat to metabolize.
Maj1979
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I tried it this week and crashed bad. I’m hypo so I knew full on keto was not for me so I tweaked it a bit. Taking carbs down to 50 instead of the 25 I’ve read about. I got dizzy and tired to the point I almost fell (weak at the knees) going to try it again next week. I got to get it right with my sugar issues before I add DNP or any other stuff like that
Look at some of the bodybuilding keto diets prescribed by some of the gurus. Palumbo comes to mind. Whether on gear or natural. He keeps protein around 50-60%.
My gf is currently working with a coach and he has her having more protein than fats.
D-max
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I can Google macros all day long and come up with a million different opinions. I was hoping you'd explain how protein, when consumed in larger amounts than the typical keto diet recommends, doesn't convert to glucose for energy, which, in a nutshell, is what you stated.
TheH0517
Member
Based on definition and the science of anatomy, that is not a keto diet. That’s a carb-restricted diet.
Ironlyfe80
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There is a difference between a low/no carb diet ("bodybuilding keto?") and a ketogenic diet, which is thhe act of putting your body into ketosis. A lot of folks seems to use the word keto in place of low carb, mainly because they are ignorant to the difference.
It does convert protein to glucose for energy. Whether protein is consumed in large or small amounts your body is converting it to glucose as needed throughout the day.
TheH0517
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I believe our bodies are wired to work as efficiently as possible. If this is true, it is easier for our bodies to utilize ketones (stored fat) as energy. Proteins primary role is the building blocks of our body tissue.
It is my understanding that the point of nutritional ketosis is to force the body out of its natural state of using glycogen as energy. To do this we starve our bodies of carbs so the next best source of energy become ketones. This process spares the protein for the synthesis of tissue and our body uses its fat stores to fuel us.
A low-carb (5% or less), high-protein, moderate-fat diet is just a low-carb diet. Your body will convert the protein you consume into glucose because your deficient in your primary and secondary energy sources. Although you won’t have the stored glycogen and water retention and will probably see some results, this isn’t ketosis, your body isn’t using stored ketones as fuel (at least not at the rate of ketosis), and you won’t obtain the health benefits of ketosis.
Many people opt out of trying ketosis and it is labeled as one of the more difficult diets because there’s no in-between. You either follow the diet strictly and remain in ketosis or you don’t ever achieve ketosis. Plain and simple.
