Who Will Be President?

who are you voting for ?

  • Trump

    Votes: 38 70.4%
  • Hillary

    Votes: 3 5.6%
  • Teddy

    Votes: 1 1.9%
  • BS

    Votes: 12 22.2%

  • Total voters
    54

The Criminalization of Immigration in the United States for the latest information.[/paste:font]
Anti-immigrant activists and politicians are fond of relying upon anecdotes to support their oft-repeated claim that immigrants, especially undocumented immigrants, are dangerous criminals. This mythical claim is usually based on rhetorical sleight of hand in which individual stories of heinous crimes committed by immigrants are presented as “proof” that we must restrict immigration or “get tough” on the undocumented in order to save the lives of U.S. citizens. While these kinds of arguments are emotionally powerful, they are intellectually dishonest. There is no doubt that dangerous criminals must be punished, and that immigrants who are dangerous criminals should not be allowed to enter the United States or should be deported if they already are here. But harsh immigration policies are not effective in fighting crime because—as numerous studies over the past 100 years have shown—immigrants are less likely to commit crimes or be behind bars than the native-born, and high rates of immigration are not associated with higher rates of crime. This holds true for both legal immigrants and the undocumented, regardless of their country of origin or level of education.

Crime Rates in the United States Fell as the Size of the Immigrant Population (Including the Unauthorized) Increased Dramatically.

  • Between 1990 and 2010, the foreign-born share of the U.S. population http://www.census.gov/population/foreign/files/WorkingPaper96.pdffrom 7.9 percent to 12. 9 percent {Figure 1} and the number of unauthorized immigrants http://www.pewhispanic.org/files/reports/133.pdf from 3.5 million to 11.2 million {Figure 2}.
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  • During the same period, FBI data indicates that the violent crime rate declined 45 percent {Figure 3} and the property crime rate fell 42 percent {Figure 4}.
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  • The decline in crime rates was not just national, but also occurred in border cities and other cities with large immigrant populations such as San Diego, El Paso, Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, and Miami.
  • According to a 2008 report from the conservative Americas Majority Foundation, crime rates are lowest in states with the highest immigration growth rates.
    • From 1999 to 2006, the total crime rate declined 13.6 percent in the 19 highest-immigration states, compared to a 7.1 percent decline in the other 32 states.
    • In 2006, the 10 “high influx” states—those with the most dramatic, recent increases in immigration—had the lowest rates of violent crime and total crime.
Nationwide, Immigrants are Five Times Less Likely to be in Prison Than the Native-Born

  • A 2007 study by University of California, Irvine, sociologist Rubén G. Rumbaut, found that for every ethnic group, without exception, incarceration rates among young men are lowest for immigrants, even those who are the least educated. This holds true especially for the Mexicans, Salvadorans, and Guatemalans who make up the bulk of the undocumented population.
    • The 3.5 percent incarceration rate for native-born men age 18-39 was five times higher than the 0.7 percent rate for immigrant men in 2000{Figure 5}. Among male high-school dropouts, 9.8 percent of the native-born were behind bars in 2000, compared to only 1.3 percent of immigrants.
    • In 2000, 0.7 percent of foreign-born Mexican men and 0.5 percent of foreign-born Salvadoran and Guatemalan men were in prison. Among male high-school dropouts, 0.7 percent of foreign-born Mexicans and 0.6 percent of foreign-born Salvadorans and Guatemalans were behind bars in 2000.
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  • Economists Kristin Butcher and Anne Morrison Piehl used data from the 1980, 1990, and 2000 Censuses to demonstrate that the lower incarceration rate for immigrants could not be explained away with the argument that there are so few immigrants in prison because so many of them are deported, or by the argument that harsher immigration laws are deterring immigrants from committing crimes because they are afraid of getting deported.
    • Instead, Butcher and Piehl conclude that, during the 1990s, “those immigrants who chose to come to the United States were less likely to be involved in criminal activity than earlier immigrants and the native born.”
Research in New Jersey and California Found Immigrants Less Likely to be in Prison

  • An analysis of data from the New Jersey Department of Corrections and U.S. Census Bureau by New Jersey’s Star-Ledger found that “U.S. citizens are twice as likely to land in New Jersey’s prisons as legal and illegal immigrants.” According to the Star-Ledger ’s analysis, released in April 2008, “non-U.S. citizens make up 10 percent of the state’s overall population, but just 5 percent of the 22,623 inmates in prison as of July 2007.”
  • A June 2008 report from the Public Policy Institute of California found that foreign-born adults in California have lower incarceration rates than their native-born counterparts. Based on data from 2005, the report found that “the incarceration rate for foreign-born adults is 297 per 100,000 in the population, compared to 813 per 100,000 for U.S.-born adults. The foreign-born, who make up roughly 35% of California’s adult population, constitute 17% of the state prison population, a proportion that has remained fairly constant since 1990.”
Immigration Violations, Not Violent Acts, Account for Most Immigrants in Federal Prison

  • In an attempt to get around low immigrant incarceration rates, many anti-immigrant activists turn to a frequently cited estimate that over one quarter of inmates in federal prisons are “criminal aliens.” This is highly misleading for two reasons:
    • Many of the immigrants in federal prison are being criminally charged with an immigration violation and nothing more. In other words, they may be in federal prison even though they have not committed a violent crime or even a property crime. Their only crime might be entering the country without permission. The federal government has chosen to prosecute more and more unauthorized immigrants for “unlawful entry” rather than simply deporting them, which means that they end up in federal prison.
    • The federal prison population is a small share of the total prison population. One cannot make generalizations about the incarceration rates of immigrants based on the immigrant share of the federal inmate population since, according to data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics, only about 9 percent of the U.S. prison population was in federal prisons as of 2011. At the state and local level, where most U.S. prisoners are held, the incarceration rates for immigrants are lower than for the native-born.
Conclusion

The problem of crime in the United States is not caused or even aggravated by immigrants, regardless of their legal status. This is hardly surprising since immigrants come to the United States to pursue economic and educational opportunities not available in their home countries and to build better lives for themselves and their families. As a result, they have little to gain and much to lose by breaking the law. Undocumented immigrants in particular have even more reason to not run afoul of the law given the risk of deportation that their lack of legal status entails. Public policies must be based on facts, not anecdotes or emotions. And the fact is that the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.



Published On: Thu, Jul 25, 2013 | Download File
 
conversation that Republicans want to have about immigration any more serious than the one Democrats want to have about race?

The Republican presidential field sports no shortage of individuals capable of speaking intelligently about America’s broken immigration system. Sens. Marco Rubio and Lindsey Graham have drafted legislation on the issue. Jeb Bush co-wrote an entire book on the subject. And Rick Perry ran a border state with the nation’s second-largest immigrant population for 14 years. So why is Donald Trump,whose comments about immigrants and crime are as ugly as they are uninformed, doing all the talking?

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report from the Immigration Policy Center notes that while the illegal immigrant population in the U.S. more than tripled between 1990 and 2013 to more than 11.2 million, “FBI data indicate that the violent crime rate declined 48%—which included falling rates of aggravated assault, robbery, rape, and murder. Likewise, the property crime rate fell 41%, including declining rates of motor vehicle theft, larceny/robbery, and burglary.”

A separate IPC paper from 2007 explains that this is not a function of well-behaved high-skilled immigrants from India and China offsetting misdeeds of Latin American newcomers. The data show that “for every ethnic group without exception, incarceration rates among young men are lowest for immigrants,” according to the report. “This holds true especially for the Mexicans, Salvadorans, and Guatemalans who make up the bulk of the undocumented population.”

It also holds true in states with large populations of illegal residents. A 2008 report by the Public Policy Institute of California found that immigrants are underrepresented in the prison system. “The incarceration rate for foreign-born adults is 297 per 100,000 in the population, compared [with] 813 per 100,000 for U.S.-born adults,” the study concludes. “The foreign-born, who make up roughly 35% of California’s adult population, constitute 17% of the state prison population.”

High-profile incidents, like the recent arrest of a Mexican national in the horrific shooting death of a young woman in San Francisco, can give the impression that immigrants are more likely to commit violent crimes. But the alleged killer is no more representative of Mexican immigrants than Dylann Roof is representative of white people.

Every immigrant here illegally has already broken a law, though that doesn’t mean they are predisposed to crime. In a 2005 paper, the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago reported that more recently arrived immigrants are even less crime-prone than their predecessors. In 1980 the incarceration rate of foreign nationals was about one percentage point below natives. A decade later that had fallen to a little more than a percentage point, and by 2000 it was almost three percentage points lower.

Mr. Trump wants to have an unserious debate about immigration, one that involves scaring voters and scapegoating newcomers for crime problems that are mostly homegrown. The liberal press corps will continue indulging him because he’s entertaining, and they know his bluster helps Hillary Clinton.

But it behooves other Republicans to raise the level of discourse. After six years of President Obama fluctuating between doing nothing on immigration and issuing legally suspect executive actions that are still tied up in the courts, voters will want to know where the GOP candidates stand.

How do you balance border security and labor-market demand? Should relatives of people already here continue to be given an immigration preference? Is it time to move toward a skills-based immigration system similar to Canada’s? How should the federal government treat border states and cities that bear the upfront costs of illegal entries? Is walling off the southern border feasible? Would it make the U.S. safer? And what should be done about the estimated 12 million undocumented people already living here?

Voters—including the more than 40% of swing Hispanic voters that George W. Bush won in 2004—will be paying attention not only to what the candidates say about border issues but also how they say it. Tone matters, and Mr. Trump sounds like someone eager to spurn voters that the Republicans likely need next year. Most people agree that illegal immigration ought to be reduced. The question is not whether it’s a problem but how to solve it. It’s time for some adults in the GOP presidential race to weigh in.

Mr. Riley, a Manhattan Institute senior fellow and Journal contributor, is the author of “Please Stop Helping Us: How Liberals Make It Harder for Blacks to Succeed” (Encounter Books, 2014).
 
Unfortunately his ideas will lead us so far away from individual freedoms and toward total government dependence that i cannot get on board with any of it.
You have a choice between government dependence or depending on private corporations. Private corporations don't even have the pretense or illusions of your best interests being a priority. Private corporations are the ones who fill your head with anti government governance- and although we are talking about two evils trust me when I say the government is the least likely to run us the quickest to extinction.

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I know Bernie is running in the dem primary but he is as third party as they come, the most extreme of left wing ideals. Nearly his entire political career as an Independent. The longest serving independent in us congress, a self proclaimed socialist.
I heard directly from his mouth in person in a conversation about the second amendment that the only realistic way to "circumvent the protection the 2nd amendment affords citizens AND CRIMINALS is taxation, namely that of ammunition and manufacturers."
Chris Rock said the same thing.

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I'm voting for Trump. I'm sick of giving my hard earned money to freeloaders that don't do anything in this world.
Wile Obama was in office I looked at my social security statement. If I went on disability right now at the age of 36 I would make almost as much as if I worked everyday .
Health insurance with "Obama care " was $532 month for me . But since I don't go to the doctor that often I have no need for it . Now I have a friend that is from India , he gets Obama care for $56.00 a month and makes 3x what I make . But his race plays a part in that,
How is that fair to the country ? This is the shit that makes racism. And makes people hate.
I think Obama has Hirt the country so much it don't matter who wins it will take years to clean it up.
Plus I paid for my education .
Why are so many people flooding to America in record numbers ? So they can get free shit.
And the middle class man pays for it all. Not the rich and not the poor .
The dumb fucks that work 40-60 hr a week.
If you truly believe any significant amount of your income goes to "freeloaders" you are sadly misinformed. You pay for war where it is not needed, taxes that large corporations don't pay, a dollar kept artificially low by the fed so foreign countries can bleed out slowly and quantitive easing and bailouts for financial institutions that bankrupt workers and foreclose on assets foreign and domestic. Read a book dude.

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I don't like bernies idea of wealth redistribution . He's gonna ask the stars to give up half there shit or ball players.. He's got 2million stashed away for retirement and two houses and a condo sold .. Let's see him redistribute his wealth..
We are talking billionaires here. Not people with a couple million dollars- master criminals who bleed the working class through debt and rent. Unearned income that needs to be checked.

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Republicans are for the rich. Democrats are for the poor. No one is for the guy that goes to work everyday and does his job, he has to pay for the free shit for the poor and tax cuts for the rich..... don't get me going. lol.
Incorrect. Republicans are for monopolies and oil, democrats are for wall street. Both are for the rich. Where have you been?

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You have a choice between government dependence or depending on private corporations. Private corporations don't even have the pretense or illusions of your best interests being a priority. Private corporations are the ones who fill your head with anti government governance- and although we are talking about two evils trust me when I say the government is the least likely to run us the quickest to extinction.

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Chris Rock said the same thing.

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If you truly believe any significant amount of your income goes to "freeloaders" you are sadly misinformed. You pay for war where it is not needed, taxes that large corporations don't pay, a dollar kept artificially low by the fed so foreign countries can bleed out slowly and quantitive easing and bailouts for financial institutions that bankrupt workers and foreclose on assets foreign and domestic. Read a book dude.

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We are talking billionaires here. Not people with a couple million dollars- master criminals who bleed the working class through debt and rent. Unearned income that needs to be checked.

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On a roll....
 
Hillary is congenitally evil, a more self-centered, looking out for #1 bitch I cannot conjure. On top of that she's demonstrably criminal.

Bernie is a flat out wingnut - absolutely NOTHING he says makes any sense if applied to policy. We don't need to turn the US into a large scale Sweden.

Cruz is super sharp, I like many of his positions as a senator. But he's not electable. A bit slippery too.

Trump - well, he's the least dislikable among the gang of fours. And haven't we tried enough seasoned politicians already? It always turns into the same shit. Trump is definitely different.
Trump is different because he has no policies at all. No goals, no experience, nothing to offer anyone. We lambaste politicians for pandering to billionaires and you think electing a billionaire who engaged in the real estate fraud that bankrupted us is a good move? And you can stomach listing to this silver spoon loser? Bravo. You are an idiot.

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What makes trump racist? The media ? Show proof ?
It is all just propaganda .
The things that come out of his mouth make him racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.... the fact that anyone supports this guy makes me terrified for the future of my country.

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Yeah, and the primary role of the POTUS is to suck up to the Europeans, Arabs, the Chinese and Mexicans...

LOL
All our presidents do is suck up to Arabs and jews... and the wrong arabs. What would you do? Piss them all of and declare war? Of course you would. Everything that comes up in your posts is some shit you are regurgitating off Internet snap shot stories... stop repeating them if you have no original thoughts.

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I've held my nose and voted for McCain - almost nothing to like about the guy, except that he was running against someone even worse. He's a flipping asshole, and thoroughly unlikable. But it's stupid to dis him over his military service, and his time as a POW.

Still, whomever/whatever runs against Hillary/Bernie will get my vote. I'd even vote for the greasy little scuzzball Rubio, were he still in the race, another one I don't trust further than I could throw him.
Because you have shit for brains. A poor man voting red. Sad.

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The best option America had was Ron Paul 2012 but the Republicans changed the primaries to rig the system for a Mormon with an (R) in his name who had the voting record of a liberal and talked like a puppet, acted like a puppet, and indeed managed to look like a puppet. If breaking news flashes on your TV screen and it emerges that a ventriloquist's stings are attached to Mitten's mittens, you're welcome for me predicting it.
 
I disagree people think race is a big issue . Lmfao no one cares what race you are the only race thet matters in politics is green!
 
@brutus79 what would you like to see happen in the election?? And outcome of the newly appointed president
I don't support bernie as a person... his voting record and Hilary's are virtually identical. He isn't what he is trying to pretend he is- but I support the ideals he is touting. He is the only candidate talking about wall street and it's parasitic nature. He is the only one attacking this "too big to fail" bank bullshit. I also think more government involvement and oversight is essential in stemming the rapid inflation of debt to the lower and middle class and the upswing of all assets and wealth to the 1%. The system is rigged and we are rushing to the feudalism we fought for centuries to extricate ourselves from- and the banks and wall street are our lords. They will soon commandeer everything via asset forfeiture courtesy of the magic of compound interest in a bubble stock market.

But I digress.

I am a voice for the ideas bernie has because those ideas are our only hope for survival. Bernie won't win... the system won't allow it- but I hope he comes close and Hillary wins, and then a real candidate with real ideas like the ones bernie had this election will be the route we go- with a prettier face and more electable pattern of speech, more education about what our real problems are, more concern about the real issues we have.

If he meant everything he says- he would be our savior.

If he stood for what he preached, he would be our last hope.

But he doesn't, so I support his ideas since that's all they will ever be. Then I will vote for Hillary because I don't need any more bush types in the white house. Trump doesn't even count as a human being to me- he represents everything that rots my country from the inside out and I will cackle wildly when he dies- hopefully in a bonfire made up of everyone in his gene pool- and the Kardashians used as kindling in that fire. Then they will have kept us warm and not been so useless after all.

Cruz will ruin us in war and tear apart everything done in the last 8 years from partisan petulance.

Hillary won't be able to do much in 4 years with a Republican senate and Congress- and she will be too worried about a second term to tear anything apart she doesn't like that might damage the little man.

So hillary. After I scream bernie at the top of my lungs until the money driven establishment flushes him out for their hell hound Clinton.

Think wall street isn't the problem? Google corporate buy backs. Google quantitive easing. Ask why the banks got bailed out but still took everyone's houses too. They took that money, bought foreign bonds and bankrupted europe. The fed can't even raise the rate because too many countries would default on their loans. We are fucked with nowhere to go. Either someone leads the way out or we continue on a collision course that all empires traveled based on a fiat currency with military power. Ruin.

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