why are so many people addicted to poison?

alcohol

why do some people think it is so socially cool to drink piss water? why do some people want to drink piss water when out with others to fit in? all these people will be dead one day, and you will be, why try so hard to impress them?

what is so cool about it?

if you show me pictures out you out drinking, I don't think your cool, I think your an alcoholic or you have nothing better to do our your a sheep who just wants to fit in

now if you show me pics of you slamming and cummimg in a hooker, id be more impressed, because fucking actually feels good and you don't wake up being hung over

how many hours in a life time do people spend out drinking piss water with other piss water drinkers and feeling like shit the next day? some people actually get addicted to this shit

if you want to do a drug and escape or you need a drug to have fun, why not coke, weed, or 100 other things?
Maybe it's just me but I think you need to have a fucking beer or two and chill the fuck out.

Everyone has an opinion.
 
do not care people can drink all night every night if they want, just a commentary on a discussion board. crazy how triggered people can get that someone finds alcohol disgusting. and when I say disgusting I would probably rather eat shit, well crunchy shit not wet warm shit

I think everyone who drinks would be healthier, leaner, feel better if they just smoked weed to be honest. like I said, alcohol is the most accepted of drugs but probably the stupidest
 
do not care people can drink all night every night if they want, just a commentary on a discussion board. crazy how triggered people can get that someone finds alcohol disgusting. and when I say disgusting I would probably rather eat shit, well crunchy shit not wet warm shit

I think everyone who drinks would be healthier, leaner, feel better if they just smoked weed to be honest. like I said, alcohol is the most accepted of drugs but probably the stupidest
You put your own opinion out there for others to comment on and to state their opinions. Yet it upsets you and perplexes you when someone doesn't share your opinion.
When you are critical of other people's actions you will get a response, this is how human, hell even countries, interact.
You put out your opinion for debate about are unable to handle or even consider that other views might be as valid to another person as yours are to you.
 
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It's already more or less been said a couple times. But it's all personal preference. There's no right or wrong way to do things. As a wise old Chinese man once told me, there's 1,000 ways to skin a cat, the only thing that matters is you get to eat it when you're done.

I think what he was trying to say is, as long as you're not harming or stealing from anyone and don't sit around asking for handouts. Your personal decisions are your own to make. We need all different types of people to keep society going. I dislike certain groups of people but at the end of the day, if they aren't harming or stealing from anyone and they're even working at a factory somewhere, their life does have a purpose and is playing a role in society to keep things moving forward.
 
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I get annoyed by recovered alcoholics that can't just STFU at a get together and not have a drink. Everyone makes this huge deal like ,"OMG, keep him away from that, he is a recovered alcoholic!" Like the guy has Aids or something. Usually his significant other, just can't STFU abt how he used to be an alcoholic and doesn't want him around it. Well assholes, I'm going to enjoy myself and I'm not the person with an alcohol problem, so if you don't like it then gtfo of here already!

One night on new years I was at a bowling alley and my mother in law was there with the recovered alcoholic she remarried. Well I kept going to the bar and buying beers and you could tell it was going all over her. She finally said something to me and I responded with..."Yea, so What? I'M NOT THE ONE WITH THE PROBLEM, HE IS, SO I'M GONNA DRINK AND ENJOY MYSELF!!!"

I would be more supportive of it if they just chilled and STFU and stopped drawing all this attention to themselves
 
Arnold's Education of a Bodybuilder gleefully recalls him and Franco Columbu each downing a pitcher of beer and a whole chicken immediately after each workout for a period of time when they both lived in Germany. He also described taking weights and girls up into the forest, getting drunk, and they would do extreme high rep squats while wasted.
 
Every bodybuilder in Munich wanted to train with Arnold. They thought I knew some secret. We got into forced reps, real torture routines where we pushed ourselves beyond the point of pain. We ate enormous meals. After each workout we would go to the beer hall and devour a whole chicken each and mugs of beer. That was our dinner. In the actual training routines I was trying to be more creative than I'd ever been, putting my imagination into play in an attempt to figure out how I could go beyond everyone else. If someone could get a 21-inch arm, I would blow mine up to 22 inches.
 
So once a week I took a training partner and drove out into the country with the weights. We limited ourselves to one exercise for a particular body part. I remember for the first day we carried 250 pounds out into the forest and did squats for three hours straight. I began by doing twenty repetitions with 250 pounds; then my partner did what- ever he could. Then it was my turn again. We ended up doing something like fifty-five sets of squats each. The last hour seemed endless. But it worked. Our thighs pumped up like bal- loons. That first day we gave our thigh muscles such a shock that we couldn't walk right for a week. We barely could crawl. Our legs had never experienced anything as tough as those fifty-five sets. And each of us put something like an eighth or a quarter of an inch on our thighs; they just blew up, they had no chance to survive except to grow.
We made it a regular thing. We brought girls out there to cook. We made a fire outdoors and turned the whole thing into a little contest. We worked hard but we had a good time. After the muscle-shocking sessions we drank wine and beer and got drunk and carried on like the old-time weight lifters back in the 1800s or early 1900s. Sometimes it became pure insanity. We'd grab up the weights again, but we were weaker because of the beer, and the weights would fall back over our heads. Or we'd get them down on our chests and wouldn't be able to press them on up
from there and someone would have to lift them off for us. It was a great time. We cooked shish kebab, sat around the fire, and made love. We got into this trip that we were gladiators, male animals. We swam naked out in nature, had all this food, wine and women; we ate like animals and acted like animals. We got off on it so much it became a weekly routine—eating fresh meat and drinking wine and exercising.
 
Life in Munich was as crazy as ever. We worked hard, but we had fun. There was a lot of beer drinking, partying. It was a happy, beautiful time. I was young and becoming famous. In Munich itself I was looked upon as a freak celebrity, Arnold the muscleman. But I was proud of my achievements and I was let- ting it be known that this was only the beginning.
 
So once a week I took a training partner and drove out into the country with the weights. We limited ourselves to one exercise for a particular body part. I remember for the first day we carried 250 pounds out into the forest and did squats for three hours straight. I began by doing twenty repetitions with 250 pounds; then my partner did what- ever he could. Then it was my turn again. We ended up doing something like fifty-five sets of squats each. The last hour seemed endless. But it worked. Our thighs pumped up like bal- loons. That first day we gave our thigh muscles such a shock that we couldn't walk right for a week. We barely could crawl. Our legs had never experienced anything as tough as those fifty-five sets. And each of us put something like an eighth or a quarter of an inch on our thighs; they just blew up, they had no chance to survive except to grow.
We made it a regular thing. We brought girls out there to cook. We made a fire outdoors and turned the whole thing into a little contest. We worked hard but we had a good time. After the muscle-shocking sessions we drank wine and beer and got drunk and carried on like the old-time weight lifters back in the 1800s or early 1900s. Sometimes it became pure insanity. We'd grab up the weights again, but we were weaker because of the beer, and the weights would fall back over our heads. Or we'd get them down on our chests and wouldn't be able to press them on up
from there and someone would have to lift them off for us. It was a great time. We cooked shish kebab, sat around the fire, and made love. We got into this trip that we were gladiators, male animals. We swam naked out in nature, had all this food, wine and women; we ate like animals and acted like animals. We got off on it so much it became a weekly routine—eating fresh meat and drinking wine and exercising.
Best story ever!!! What an amazing experience, I enjoyed reading that, thanks!!
 
I get annoyed by recovered alcoholics that can't just STFU at a get together and not have a drink. Everyone makes this huge deal like ,"OMG, keep him away from that, he is a recovered alcoholic!" Like the guy has Aids or something. Usually his significant other, just can't STFU abt how he used to be an alcoholic and doesn't want him around it. Well assholes, I'm going to enjoy myself and I'm not the person with an alcohol problem, so if you don't like it then gtfo of here already!

One night on new years I was at a bowling alley and my mother in law was there with the recovered alcoholic she remarried. Well I kept going to the bar and buying beers and you could tell it was going all over her. She finally said something to me and I responded with..."Yea, so What? I'M NOT THE ONE WITH THE PROBLEM, HE IS, SO I'M GONNA DRINK AND ENJOY MYSELF!!!"

I would be more supportive of it if they just chilled and STFU and stopped drawing all this attention to themselves
THANK YOU!!!!
I don't call myself a "recovering" alcoholic but for 30 years not a day went by that I wasn't drunk. If I hadn't consumed at least 48oz of high strength beer before/as breakfast then I couldn't function.
I lost my marriage, many jobs, the respect of my parents and all of my friends.
Thankfully for my own reasons I stopped on my own. I had completed many rehabs but that didn't change a thing.

Now, I don't drink at all, don't want to. Whatever way someone gets sober, congratulations!!!

But now I'm back with my ex-wife, my family has come around, yeah yeah.

My first time with my ex and her friends out on the town I told all of them they better get fucked up because I'm the designed driver!
Now I mix the drinks when we all hangout bc I obviously have the experience.

Finally, if someone has an alcohol problem that they have overcome your drinking is going to cause them to spin out of control. They still haven't moved on to not drinking. Alcohol is everywhere, you not so powerful that if someone sees you drink they are going to lose control.
And for the alcoholic who thinks people should change for them(there aren't many who care at all what you do) Fuk'em. Nobody has the right to tell someone else how to enjoy life when they aren't hurting people!

I don't make others actions that important, just enjoy yourself. I'm not so important bc I have stopped and don't think we want to be acknowledged for it.

Anyway, drink up you heathens! As Rodney Dangerfield said, Move over Swanson, I'm driving!!
 
You put your own opinion out there for others to comment on and to state their opinions. Yet it upsets you and perplexes you when someone doesn't share your opinion.
When you are critical of other people's actions you will get a response, this is how human, hell even countries, interact.
You put out your opinion for debate about are unable to handle or even consider that other views might be as valid to another person as yours are to you.

You falsely state "upsets and perplexes you when someone doesn't share your opinion"

It appears people are upset by my opinion, I am in no way upset or shocked that people do not share my opinion since alcohol is so widely consumed. And widely consumed it appears among people who bust ass in other ways (diet, risk health with AAS and DNP, train hard), yet indulge in alcohol.

It is a discussion board, it is more interesting and brings better threads when someone states an un popular opinion or controversial one. How boring would it be to start a thread "going to the gym is productive" or "chicks with big tits are hot" LOL
 
This thread should have been a post here. As a standalone thread it gets a yawn inducing 1/5.


It's a rant. Many people could and would rant on about steroid users using potentially harmful drugs just to look good.

Who cares? We all make our own choices. Be it steroids, drinking, smoking or midget tranny porn, it's a choice and if someone else looks down their nose at it and wants to wag their finger, fuck them.

They should spend less time judging those around them and take a look at themselves and figure out which inadequacy of theirs triggers them to be such judgmental assholes.
 
Agree with each their own but nothing wrong with giving an opinion. I don't really use any drugs just censor alcohol the worst.

As for additction that is a long topic due to the fact some believe it is a "disease" which is an insult to people that have a real disease they can not control. If we label drinking too often a disease then technically we can label any bad behavior a disease. I drive to fast, I eat too much, I cheat on my wife, I exercise to much an overtrain, all those could be diseases also.
Appologies in advance for the length of this post. It is just something I've took a long time to understand and society tends to be very cavalier in its attitude toward these issues. The pendulum swings from treating people with neurological/psychiatric disorders as criminals to stripping these individuals of all agency and making excuses for their actions. Both are detrimental to the individual and society at large.

You are right that addiction is not a disease, but it is very much a disorder and requires medical/psychological intervention. The behaviors you describe are also not diseases, but they could all be symptoms of an underlying disorder where problems with impulse control are one of the diagnostic criteria (e.g., ADHD). To just write people off as bad without acknowledging that there might be an underlying disruption/dysfunction in neurocircuitry helps no one.

Similarly with regard to addiction. We tend to have less sympathy for addicts because they made a choice in the first place, which resulted in their current addiction. I am not here to argue the merrits of this tendency. With that said, once a person is addicted to something they now have a disorder and it is very hard for them to correct the maladaptive behaviors that are symptoms. In addition, it completely dismisses the individual differences in neurochemistry that might cause someone to become more easily addicted than others or make the choice to start using drugs in the first place. They need help from the right people. They do not need to be treated as criminals unless engaged in "truly" criminal activity. I would hope the people on this site do not view drug seeking behavior as "truly" criminal.
This is not to strip the individual addict of agency or to excuse their actions, but it is to say that they need help with their addiction in order to make positive changes in their life. They also need to acknowledge that they have a disorder and understand what that means. When society just treats them like criminals and tells them that they are just criminals it helps no one.

Now, putting addiction to one side, it is also important to understand the other "bad" behaviors you list. When these behaviors manifest in an environment where they are maladaptive (e.g., modern society) they can be dangerous to both the individual and to those around them. The best way to help that individual get a handle on these maladaptive behaviors is to work with them to understand the reasons they act the way they do and use cognitive behavioral therapy to modify their behavior.

Another issue is that sometimes society rewards these behaviors and they aren't actually maladaptive in the right context. For example I have ADHD (emphasis on the H) and my most striking symptoms aside from extreme hyperactivity are significant impulse control and anger management issues. These are maladaptive in a standard educational setting and as an adult in modern society. However, they were very beneficial when channeled in an appropriate direction where violence was a necessary prerequisite for survival. It took a long time before I was able to move reasonably well between these two extremes regarding what was acceptable in one context but not in another. I was lucky that I grew up where/when I did, went the direction I did in my late teens, and had people who loved me unconditionally and understood me enough to provide positive outlets for my "energy". In a different environment my capacity for violence would have landed me in jail, instead it was viewed as a positive character trait for about 20 years and is one possible reason I don't have PTSD today. Either that or I'm just a sociopath.

Rant over. Drag away brothers.
 
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Appologies in advance for the length of this post. It is just something I've took a long time to understand and society tends to be very cavalier in its attitude toward these issues. The pendulum swings from treating people with neurological/psychiatric disorders as criminals to stripping these individuals of all agency and making excuses for their actions. Both are detrimental to the individual and society at large.

You are right that addiction is not a disease, but it is very much a disorder and requires medical/psychological intervention. The behaviors you describe are also not diseases, but they could all be symptoms of an underlying disorder where problems with impulse control are one of the diagnostic criteria (e.g., ADHD). To just write people off as bad without acknowledging that there might be an underlying disruption/dysfunction in neurocircuitry helps no one.

Similarly with regard to addiction. We tend to have less sympathy for addicts because they made a choice in the first place, which resulted in their current addiction. I am not here to argue the merrits of this tendency. With that said, once a person is addicted to something they now have a disorder and it is very hard for them to correct the maladaptive behaviors that are symptoms. In addition, it completely dismisses the individual differences in neurochemistry that might cause someone to become more easily addicted than others or make the choice to start using drugs in the first place. They need help from the right people. They do not need to be treated as criminals unless engaged in "truly" criminal activity. I would hope the people on this site do not view drug seeking behavior as "truly" criminal.
This is not to strip the individual addict of agency or to excuse their actions, but it is to say that they need help with their addiction in order to make positive changes in their life. They also need to acknowledge that they have a disorder and understand what that means. When society just treats them like criminals and tells them that they are just criminals it helps no one.

Now, putting addiction to one side, it is also important to understand the other "bad" behaviors you list. When these behaviors manifest in an environment where they are maladaptive (e.g., modern society) they can be dangerous to both the individual and to those around them. The best way to help that individual get a handle on these maladaptive behaviors is to work with them to understand the reasons they act the way they do and use cognitive behavioral therapy to modify their behavior.

Another issue is that sometimes society rewards these behaviors and they aren't actually maladaptive in the right context. For example I have ADHD (emphasis on the H) and my most striking symptoms aside from extreme hyperactivity are significant impulse control and anger management issues. These are maladaptive in a standard educational setting and as an adult in modern society. However, they were very beneficial when channeled in an appropriate direction where violence was a necessary prerequisite for survival. It took a long time before I was able to move reasonably well between these two extremes regarding what was acceptable in one context but not in another. I was lucky that I grew up where/when I did, went the direction I did in my late teens, and had people who loved me unconditionally and understood me enough to provide positive outlets for my "energy". In a different environment my capacity for violence would have landed me in jail, instead it was viewed as a positive character trait for about 20 years and is one possible reason I don't have PTSD today. Either that or I'm just a sociopath.

Rant over. Drag away brothers.

are you stupid or what? This guy said “i m fine with my girl going out drink and get gabgbanged” ... now whats weird is fuckin people drinking alcohol? Whatta fucked in the head forum is becoming Jesus Fuckin Christ
 
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