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All androgens increase free t. Proviron don’t do shit anabolically and messes up lipids pretty bad. No reason to take it when we have orals like var around.
 
All Nats McGee said:
All androgens increase free t. Proviron don’t do shit anabolically and messes up lipids pretty bad. No reason to take it when we have orals like var around.
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I recently added proviron and I do feel a slight bump in sex drive and I feel like I'm holding less water weight. Been thinking of adding Var or replacing the proviron with it. Would a low dose of Var, like 20 mg a day be beneficial for lowering shbg? Any extra energy from Var?
 
Titan18 said:
I recently added proviron and I do feel a slight bump in sex drive and I feel like I'm holding less water weight. Been thinking of adding Var or replacing the proviron with it. Would a low dose of Var, like 20 mg a day be beneficial for lowering shbg? Any extra energy from Var?
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Yeah 20mg var is the sweet spot and it’ll lower your SHBG.
 
Highly ecto said:
l think what @Jin23 is getting at is a standard TRT dose won't get me any higher Total T than l already have, and something to lower high shbg by quite a bit is the key.
l do think long term though TRT with a tiny bit proviron, var or primo might be the easiest way to free up test and control estrogen. lt's just not as cheap and easy as you think here in Australia.
A 10 week coarse of BPC/TB and MOD GRF/lpamorelin just cost me nearly $2000, a 10ml bottle of test will cost $100 and your just hoping it is legit and not underdosed. And as l said earlier l placed an order of HGH and peptides from 2 different suppliers that are both on this forum that say they have great success with shipping to Aus. Both orders seized!
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Was not going to respond to that kid as it's obvious he's wrong ... Yes, you don't go to trt if your TT is normal and free T is low. Free T is very much transient, it fluctuates. In this regard, then everybody, including 19 yo, could go on trt. You go to trt if you have a Non resolvable problem with your production of testosterone. And that will show in a low TT number. Freeing up T bound to shbg is easy, tongkat ali is what I would use for a natty and if that doesn't work oral aas. But one should try and fix the underlying issue, that is elevating his shbg that much in the first place. Is your gut health ok?
 
Jin23 said:
Was not going to respond to that kid as it's obvious he's wrong ... Yes, you don't go to trt if your TT is normal and free T is low. Free T is very much transient, it fluctuates. In this regard, then everybody, including 19 yo, could go on trt. You go to trt if you have a Non resolvable problem with your production of testosterone. And that will show in a low TT number. Freeing up T bound to shbg is easy, tongkat ali is what I would use for a natty and if that doesn't work oral aas. But one should try and fix the underlying issue, that is elevating his shbg that much in the first place. Is your gut health ok?
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l would have thought a standard trt dose of 100mg to 120mg test a week would give me total T of around 700 to 800 depending what sought of responder l am. l am at 700 to 800 natty now. Now if l was to use 200mg test a week as a trt dose, then that would be a different story. But that would be more of a mini blast and not great for an old guy long term, maybe l am wrong? As for tongkat ali, have tried that, also boron, nettle root, tribulus, d aspartic acid and many other herbs and supps over the years, nothing really lowered shbg. Tongkat ali and boron actually gave me total T of over 900, but strangely shbg was at it highest too at about 95. l have had really high shbg every blood test l have ever run, even as far back as when l was 39. As for gut health l did have daily heartburn and bloating at age 45 for about 12 months. That was when l started lifting and was eating about 5000 calories a day with tons of carbs to try and put weight on. I have a really fast metabolisim and only weighed 60 kg when l started lifting. After that l went keto for a while and then Carnivore. l have been eating Carnivore for about 6 years. Since l have been Carnivore, l can eat 5000 to 6000 calories a day with no bloating, no heartburn, gut feels great. So high shbg might be genetic, don't really know what to think.
 
Highly ecto said:
Since l have been Carnivore, l can eat 5000 to 6000 calories a day with no bloating, no heartburn, gut feels great. So high shbg might be genetic, don't really know what to think.
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Well, there you go bro! You are not eating carbs at all right? If that is correct then that is 100% the reason why your shbg is so high. Might be other cofounding factors, but this is definitely a big factor. Carbs actually lower shbg and going keto or carnivore for that matter will result in an elevated shbg. This is a known thing, do a quick google search.

Regarding tongkat, sourcing is key here. Have you tried gorila minds tongkat? That has proper sourcing and if that doesn't do the trick, go ahead and use proviron or what have you ... But use it really low dose, like 12.5 mg eod, or anavar 2.5mg ed, do bloods after a couple of weeks and then adjust from there on. It takes time for shbg to drop with smaller dosages, but it does happen. If you insist on doing keto/carnivore, manually lowering shbg with drugs, to my knowledge, is your only option.
 
Re tongkat; and not just sourcing, but also reliability of the manufacturer that it's actually an 200:1 extract.
 
Jin23 said:
Well, there you go bro! You are not eating carbs at all right? If that is correct then that is 100% the reason why your shbg is so high. Might be other cofounding factors, but this is definitely a big factor. Carbs actually lower shbg and going keto or carnivore for that matter will result in an elevated shbg. This is a known thing, do a quick google search.

Regarding tongkat, sourcing is key here. Have you tried gorila minds tongkat? That has proper sourcing and if that doesn't do the trick, go ahead and use proviron or what have you ... But use it really low dose, like 12.5 mg eod, or anavar 2.5mg ed, do bloods after a couple of weeks and then adjust from there on. It takes time for shbg to drop with smaller dosages, but it does happen. If you insist on doing keto/carnivore, manually lowering shbg with drugs, to my knowledge, is your only option.
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Yes l would have thought the same thing about carbs lowering shbg, but it ain't the case with me. Up until l started keto and carnivore, l used to eat 60% to 70% of my calories in carbs, it made zero difference to my shbg levels which really baffled me. As for Tongkat ali l had as good as you can get, lab tested with guaranteed potency from Nootropics.
 
Highly ecto said:
Yes l would have thought the same thing about carbs lowering shbg, but it ain't the case with me. Up until l started keto and carnivore, l used to eat 60% to 70% of my calories in carbs, it made zero difference to my shbg levels which really baffled me. As for Tongkat ali l had as good as you can get, lab tested with guaranteed potency from Nootropics.
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Oh well then ... Drugs it is! : D
 
Jin23 said:
Oh well then ... Drugs it is! : D
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l did read on reddit a few years ago, some guy said he took 5mg of winny a day for 6 months while natty, he reckons he halved his shbg with no impact on lipids. Who knows if he was telling the truth. Also does var have estro lowering effect like proviron?
And would you expect if you keep var and proviron under 5mg a day each, you should not get hair, prostate or lipid problems?
 
Highly ecto said:
l did read on reddit a few years ago, some guy said he took 5mg of winny a day for 6 months while natty, he reckons he halved his shbg with no impact on lipids. Who knows if he was telling the truth.
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Winny is really effective at lowering shbg. Idk about the lipids though. Some are more susceptible and some less. So I wouldn't say he's lying, 5mg is not a big dose. A Zero effect on lipids is kinda hard to believe though. Lipids still being in range yes, but zero effect, that would warrant some great genetics imo. I'd still try var b4 winny.

Idk about e2. Lately, it seems, all DHTs are getting a rep about lowering e2, so I presume orals could/should also have an effect to an extent. But that's just my guess. At such small dosages, I doubt you'd have anything to worry.
 
Jin23 said:
Winny is really effective at lowering shbg. Idk about the lipids though. Some are more susceptible and some less. So I wouldn't say he's lying, 5mg is not a big dose. A Zero effect on lipids is kinda hard to believe though. Lipids still being in range yes, but zero effect, that would warrant some great genetics imo. I'd still try var b4 winny.

Idk about e2. Lately, it seems, all DHTs are getting a rep about lowering e2, so I presume orals could/should also have an effect to an extent. But that's just my guess. At such small dosages, I doubt you'd have anything to worry.
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Yeah l was thinking var would be my best bet, especially since i have got a screwed shoulder. l might even get some Tongkat ali to throw in the mix. l will let you know how l go with it all.
Anyway thanks for all the info it has been much appreciated.
 
Jin23 said:
That's a cycle dose bro. Certainly not a trt "add-on" ...
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I'm in the middle of a blast of 500 mg test C. I was just interested in trying var for various reasons. Lowering SHBG, losing some of the bloat from Test, strength gains, and I've heard it's good for healing. Not sure if that's true but I'm dealing with some gnarly tendonitis in my elbow. I've never tried it but 20mg seems like a low enough dose to experiment with.
 
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