Why the aversion of tren for bulking

[janoshik]

We've evolved to tolerate more tren

But really, I think I read @janoshik talk about how the raws from china actually are structurally diff from the old tren hex in parabolan and even the various cattle pellets

Can you pop in here @janoshik ?

Yeah, when cattle pellets were made, they were made stereoisomerically pure.

Today, I believe all trenbolone on market is 50:50 mixture of the two steroisomers, one of which is less active than the other one.


"In stereochemistry, stereoisomers are isomeric molecules that have the same molecular formula and sequence of bonded atoms (constitution), but differ in the three-dimensional orientations of their atoms in space."

Good example to show importance of this would be thalidomide.

One of them is active and one of them doesn't work at all.

 

[tengtren]

Yeah, when cattle pellets were made, they were made stereoisomerically pure.

Today, I believe all trenbolone on market is 50:50 mixture of the two steroisomers, one of which is less active than the other one.


"In stereochemistry, stereoisomers are isomeric molecules that have the same molecular formula and sequence of bonded atoms (constitution), but differ in the three-dimensional orientations of their atoms in space."

Good example to show importance of this would be thalidomide.

One of them is active and one of them doesn't work at all.

Do you know why they don't just make all the better isomer ? Is cost?

 

[janoshik]

Do you know why they don't just make all the better isomer ? Is cost?

Default state in manufacture is 50:50.

Separating it would increase the cost a lot.

Honestly, I don't see a point in doing that as well. It's not like just using higher dose doesn't accomplish the same thing at lower cost.

 

[tengtren]

Default state in manufacture is 50:50.

Separating it would increase the cost a lot.

Honestly, I don't see a point in doing that as well. It's not like just using higher dose doesn't accomplish the same thing at lower cost.

So double my dose because all tren is only half real thanks jano

 

[rutman]

So double my dose because all tren is only half real thanks jano

That’s why I said 700 tren today is like 350 fina tren... That shit was fire in a bottle!

 

[jackthegripper2]

I think these guys are spot on with the tren being very diluted these days.

 

[TideGear]

Best place to order the pellets?

 

[janoshik]

So double my dose because all tren is only half real thanks jano

That's one way to take it, lol

 

[rutman]

Best place to order the pellets?

They’re no longer available

 

[TideGear]

They’re no longer available

https://www.lambertvetsupply.com/Finaplix-H-Cattle-Implants-10-Dose_p_28845.html

 

[rutman]

https://www.lambertvetsupply.com/Finaplix-H-Cattle-Implants-10-Dose_p_28845.html

Awesome! They come back around with them every now and then... they’ve been out of stock for a long time.

Do not make these with mct oil!!! It will not filter out. Use GSO.

 

[TideGear]

Awesome! They come back around with them every now and then... they’ve been out of stock for a long time.

Do not make these with mct oil!!! It will not filter out. Use GSO.

Explain man!! I always use mct

Do you need a prescription?

 

[rutman]

Explain man!! I always use mct

Do you need a prescription?

No. No prescription needed.

I’ve ruined a few carts of fina using mct oil. Somehow, the binders bind to the mct oil, causing a syringe filter to totally clog up after 5cc.... and this is after running everything thru a coffee filter to get most of the binders out.


GSO, it filters out crystal clear.

 

[TideGear]

No. No prescription needed.

I’ve ruined a few carts of fina using mct oil. Somehow, the binders bind to the mct oil, causing a syringe filter to totally clog up after 5cc.... and this is after running everything thru a coffee filter to get most of the binders out.


GSO, it filters out crystal clear.

Were the pellets way better than tren from raws?

 

[superbane]

I’m going to say something unpopular here.

Very few guys I’ve seen on this board should be able to justify 700mg of tren...Nevermind the grams of other stuff being mentioned. Just my personal opinion.

Expand a bit. P&T

 

[rutman]

Were the pellets way better than tren from raws?

Back years ago they were.

You can get 50g of raw for roughly $500, versus 8g of of fina pellets for that price. I’d say no right now.

 

[TideGear]

Back years ago they were.

You can get 50g of raw for roughly $500, versus 8g of of fina pellets for that price. I’d say no right now.

I was thinking about ordering some but I already have raws so I guess I'll pass

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Expand a bit. P&T

I see a ton of posts from guys that are quite honestly only barely above their natural genetic potential asking about cycles with grams of gear and tren included.

I put on 30-40lbs before I ever touched juice. Granted, everyone’s ability to do so is different. But 2-3 cycles in is absurd to be using 3-4 compounds, 2g+ of gear, or quite honestly any tren at all.

IMO

 

[superbane]

I see a ton of posts from guys that are quite honestly only barely above their natural genetic potential asking about cycles with grams of gear and tren included.

I put on 30-40lbs before I ever touched juice. Granted, everyone’s ability to do so is different. But 2-3 cycles in is absurd to be using 3-4 compounds, 2g+ of gear, or quite honestly any tren at all.

IMO

Ok that makes sense lol I just was curious about your perspective and why.

I’d agree with most of it.
You have to remember that they started their AAS “career” gathering info from boards such as gh15 and hang around fitmisc lol

 

[tengtren]

Ok that makes sense lol I just was curious about your perspective and why.

I’d agree with most of it.
You have to remember that they started their AAS “career” gathering info from boards such as gh15 and hang around fitmisc lol

You know u were an elf pupil at one point