Why vote Republican Anymore?

[Sven_Northman]

Ummmm........have you been to San Francisco recently? Or have you seen the home prices for a fucking rambler anywhere near a major city? Let's see.....Cali has one of the highest homeless population in the nation coupled with some of the highest housing costs..so yeah shambles fits.

Yup, homelessness is at an all time high and a huge problem. Don't get me started on the horrific environmental impact, crime, and drug use. I've found used needles on the beach where kids play!

The cost of living is out of control and unless you have three to five roommates on your average salary you've got no roof over your head.

 

[Sven_Northman]

It's in shambles because everyone wants to work there, but there is literally no housing since the city cannot hold anymore people. There are people there making around 300k yearly and living in vans, trucks, etc

There is plenty of housing. Its just simply not affordable. So some choose to live alternatively.

 

[Zebedee]

No one offers free shit. We literally live in a socialist setting as is. From PUBLIC funded roads to police firefighters etc etc. All the way to the military. What's wrong with a little higher education? We're already falling behind the world in a education... Why not promote knowledge? I guess we're better at sending people to die than to learn.

Absolutely agree.

I'm a Brit. We are a democratic country with a capitalist economy. Just like the US.

We have free, universal healthcare (NHS) & virtually no one thinks of it as "socialist". Depending on your perspective, people see it as patriotic, Christian, humanist, or for the vast majority, simply just "the right thing to do".

It all comes down to how it's viewed & how it's presented ideologically. This is the big difference between the US & the UK.

We see it as a public service. We see NHS workers as public servants in the same way as we do the military, the police, social services, fire brigade, teachers etc. We see the funding of it through general taxation in the same way - it's a public service, everyone benefits from it & all contribute to it. No one likes paying taxes, but 99.9% of people don't have a problem with their taxes being spent on the NHS because we all use it. Everyone.

It's not perfect, by any means, but we have a longer life expectancy & lower infant mortality rate than the US. You beat us on cancer & heart attack survival rates, but it's not by much.

The massive irony is that the US already spends more tax dollars per person on public healthcare than the UK does & has done for years, under both Democrat & Republican administrations. Only instead of that money being spent on the actual tax payers, the majority of it ends up in the bank accounts of the healthcare industry & big pharma instead, who then tell you that the government spending your hard earned tax dollars to your benefit would be evil, unAmerican "socialism " blah blah blah.

Point is, the US can already afford free, universal healthcare without spending a single extra cent of taxpayers money. You just have to spend the money differently. To do that requires a change in public mindset first. It's no more "socialist" than publicly funded roads, the military, the police, teachers etc.

To us Brits, when it comes to healthcare, your governments (both Democrat & Republican) have been taking your tax dollars for years & in return, giving you a very dry fucking up the arse without so much as giving you a pillow to bite down on & telling you it's in the name of "freedom" & if you don't agree then you're obviously a Goddam fucking commie bastard or whatever.

"How" the US could actually switch to a NHS style model in practice though, I have no idea. But it can't happen regardless whilst people keep thinking it's "socialism". It really isn't.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Absolutely agree.

I'm a Brit. We are a democratic country with a capitalist economy. Just like the US.

We have free, universal healthcare (NHS) & virtually no one thinks of it as "socialist". Depending on your perspective, people see it as patriotic, Christian, humanist, or for the vast majority, simply just "the right thing to do".

It all comes down to how it's viewed & how it's presented ideologically. This is the big difference between the US & the UK.

We see it as a public service. We see NHS workers as public servants in the same way as we do the military, the police, social services, fire brigade, teachers etc. We see the funding of it through general taxation in the same way - it's a public service, everyone benefits from it & all contribute to it. No one likes paying taxes, but 99.9% of people don't have a problem with their taxes being spent on the NHS because we all use it. Everyone.

It's not perfect, by any means, but we have a longer life expectancy & lower infant mortality rate than the US. You beat us on cancer & heart attack survival rates, but it's not by much.

The massive irony is that the US already spends more tax dollars per person on public healthcare than the UK does & has done for years, under both Democrat & Republican administrations. Only instead of that money being spent on the actual tax payers, the majority of it ends up in the bank accounts of the healthcare industry & big pharma instead, who then tell you that the government spending your hard earned tax dollars to your benefit would be evil, unAmerican "socialism " blah blah blah.

Point is, the US can already afford free, universal healthcare without spending a single extra cent of taxpayers money. You just have to spend the money differently. To do that requires a change in public mindset first. It's no more "socialist" than publicly funded roads, the military, the police, teachers etc.

To us Brits, when it comes to healthcare, your governments (both Democrat & Republican) have been taking your tax dollars for years & in return, giving you a very dry fucking up the arse without so much as giving you a pillow to bite down on & telling you it's in the name of "freedom" & if you don't agree then you're obviously a Goddam fucking commie bastard or whatever.

"How" the US could actually switch to a NHS style model in practice though, I have no idea. But it can't happen regardless whilst people keep thinking it's "socialism". It really isn't.

This is actually a little know stat you just quoted!!!

The U.S pays more for healthcare per capita than we do in Canada.

the problem is corrupt politicians on both sides refusing to do the NECESSARY to make things work.

Instead keep shoveling money at healthcare.

That being said, Canadian healthcare is like a third world country now.

A friend of friend completely tore his rotator cuff.
Cant lift his arm AT ALL

Doctora say 9 to 10 months for surgery as it's not a priority.

My mother was prescribed an anti biotic she NEEDED.
Unfortunatly shes allergic to it and it could kill her by stopping her breathing. (would have to take it for 1 month)

We fought for her to get it done supervised in hospital via IV, so it would only tske a few days and if anything went wrong, her life could be saved.

The response was "We dont see how this constitutes wasting government money on a hospital visit."

These stories are becoming common place.

Doctors are getting charged in Ontario for taking longer than 5 to 10 minutes with a patient.

Be careful what you wish for Democrats

 

[Cityofgrit]

It's in shambles because everyone wants to work there, but there is literally no housing since the city cannot hold anymore people. There are people there making around 300k yearly and living in vans, trucks, etc

LOL..are you fucking serious?!! People from California have been moving to my state for the last 2 decades. They brought their shitty policies with them and guess what?! Now we have needles on the ground in public spaces, loads of homeless people, and the middle class are priced out of virtually any of the major cities.

 

[LeoTC]

Negative ghost rider, you are the one misunderstood. He meant that the baby will be born alive, and then a decision can be made to kill or not kill the baby. Do some research to inform yourself better.

It literally said that the decision would be made whether or not to resuscitate. Means if the child isn't viable, you can decide with guidance from medical professionals whether or not to let the child go as it would 'naturally' or prolong its life artificially.

It doesn't say anything about killing the child and has nothing to do with abortion.

It's more in line with right to die legislation and DNR orders. But that's doesn't line up with the narrative Cons are selling so...

 

[boxer15]

It literally said that the decision would be made whether or not to resuscitate. Means if the child isn't viable, you can decide with guidance from medical professionals whether or not to let the child go as it would 'naturally' or prolong its life artificially.

It doesn't say anything about killing the child and has nothing to do with abortion.

It's more in line with right to die legislation and DNR orders. But that's doesn't line up with the narrative Cons are selling so...

Dude don't waste your time explaining this to Dump supporters or Republicans. They can't even bother to look up what "resuscitate" means.

 

[boxer15]

This is actually a little know stat you just quoted!!!

The U.S pays more for healthcare per capita than we do in Canada.

the problem is corrupt politicians on both sides refusing to do the NECESSARY to make things work.

Instead keep shoveling money at healthcare.

That being said, Canadian healthcare is like a third world country now.

A friend of friend completely tore his rotator cuff.
Cant lift his arm AT ALL

Doctora say 9 to 10 months for surgery as it's not a priority.

My mother was prescribed an anti biotic she NEEDED.
Unfortunatly shes allergic to it and it could kill her by stopping her breathing. (would have to take it for 1 month)

We fought for her to get it done supervised in hospital via IV, so it would only tske a few days and if anything went wrong, her life could be saved.

The response was "We dont see how this constitutes wasting government money on a hospital visit."

These stories are becoming common place.

Doctors are getting charged in Ontario for taking longer than 5 to 10 minutes with a patient.

Be careful what you wish for Democrats

The problem is your mother saw a bad doctor. Any decent doctor would ask if your allergic to any medications before prescribing it. We have well trained doctor's in the US. But feel free to come to the US and live and pay upwards of 60k a year for insurance that only covers 5% of what you need done. Be happy your mother and you can even go to a doctor without being bankrupted.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

The problem is your mother saw a bad doctor. Any decent doctor would ask if your allergic to any medications before prescribing it. We have well trained doctor's in the US. But feel free to come to the US and live and pay upwards of 60k a year for insurance that only covers 5% of what you need done. Be happy your mother and you can even go to a doctor without being bankrupted.

I pay FAR more than U.S people pay for insurance.

It's not free.

I pay for it.

That's the problem with pinkos...

Free
Free
Free

Free doesnt exist.

I also love how you know more.about my.medical system than I.... or my fellow canadians do.

Why is it Democrats are an expert on everything?

I had a lefty try and explain Socialism to my wife...
My immigrant Wife.
Who was born and raised in a socialist country..

A snot nosed college kid.... thought he knew more about my wives country of origin...
He had never been there.
Never experienced it.

But he read a fucking book once lol.

That's literally what you're doing brother.

 

[boxer15]

I pay FAR more than U.S people pay for insurance.

It's not free.

I pay for it.

That's the problem with pinkos...

Free
Free
Free

Free doesnt exist.

I also love how you know more.about my.medical system than I.... or my fellow canadians do.

Why is it Democrats are an expert on everything?

I had a lefty try and explain Socialism to my wife...
My immigrant Wife.
Who was born and raised in a socialist country..

A snot nosed college kid.... thought he knew more about my wives country of origin...
He had never been there.
Never experienced it.

But he read a fucking book once lol.

That's literally what you're doing brother.

You literally did the same with your assumptions of the US.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

You literally did the same with your assumptions of the US.

Not really my friend.

7/8 of my family are American.
And I've spent a substantial amount of time there.

Just like any other family, we have varying political idealogies (About 50/50 Democrat/Republican)
The only things we can all agree on is all the politicians are corrupt.

I read economic literature and all of this information that I talk about is available publicly via Media, Quarterly reporting from your own government.

It's really is apples to oranges.

I'm citing public U.S information.

Your are making an assumption on someone's medical condition that you know nothing about.

It's not quite the same at all amigo.

I understand how you could make q broad assumption about a medical condition... but its. ot applicable.
I'll provide the reality.
My mother is allergic to 98% of antibiotics.
the only reason she made it to her 70s is she doesnt have bones... she has fucking steel under her skin.

The 2% she us not allergic to, will not affect what she has.

The reason I'm explaining this to you?

You seem like a really good dude from our interactions on Meso.

Just pointing out, dont make personal assumptions when they arent applicable or relevant for the topic at hand.

Cheers brother

 

[johntt44]

Dude don't waste your time explaining this to Dump supporters or Republicans. They can't even bother to look up what "resuscitate" means.

See the difference between your response and Leo's? He explains himself eloquently and you lash out at "Dump supporters" and Republicans. You call other people stupid but react as if you're one of them.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Oh yeah.... everybody dying to move to Canada. It’s the envy of the world!

If I didnt own a business...
I'd be moving to the U.S (from Canada)
Id pay less for insurance and I'd get s nicer house for less.

 

[rutman]

The problem is your mother saw a bad doctor. Any decent doctor would ask if your allergic to any medications before prescribing it. We have well trained doctor's in the US. But feel free to come to the US and live and pay upwards of 60k a year for insurance that only covers 5% of what you need done. Be happy your mother and you can even go to a doctor without being bankrupted.

You don’t have a fucking clue! Who the hell pays 60k for insurance? If you can’t name or prove it, STFU. I spent a week in the hospital, had a 50k dollar bill and it cost me $900 out of pocket. My insurance cost $300 a month for family coverage. Go spew your socialist bullshit somewhere else.

 

[4Figgy]

It literally said that the decision would be made whether or not to resuscitate. Means if the child isn't viable, you can decide with guidance from medical professionals whether or not to let the child go as it would 'naturally' or prolong its life artificially.

It doesn't say anything about killing the child and has nothing to do with abortion.

It's more in line with right to die legislation and DNR orders. But that's doesn't line up with the narrative Cons are selling so...

Her is his full explanation....

“You know, I wasn't there, Julie, and I certainly can't speak for Delegate Tran, but I would tell you one, first thing I would say is, this is why decisions such as this should be made by providers, physicians, and the mothers and fathers that are involved. There are, you know, when we talk about third trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of, obviously, the mother, with the consent of the physicians. More than one physician by the way. And it's done in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus that's non-viable.

So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen, the infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.

So I think this was really blown out of proportion. But again, we want the government not to be involved in these types of decisions. We want the decision to be made by the mothers and their providers. And this is why, Julie, legislators, most of whom are men by the way, shouldn't be telling a woman what she should and shouldn't be doing with her body.”

So yes resuscitated is mentioned, but how In the hell did you miss the part about a discussion will ensue between mother and physician? What are they going to discuss, art, philosophy, history? They are going to discuss whether or not to kill the baby that has been resuscitated. It’s a life that has all the rights the rest of us have in the Constitution. Ya know, life, liberty, and the pursuit if happiness. English and critical thinking ain’t that hard buddy.

 

[LeoTC]

Her is his full explanation....

“You know, I wasn't there, Julie, and I certainly can't speak for Delegate Tran, but I would tell you one, first thing I would say is, this is why decisions such as this should be made by providers, physicians, and the mothers and fathers that are involved. There are, you know, when we talk about third trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of, obviously, the mother, with the consent of the physicians. More than one physician by the way. And it's done in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus that's non-viable.

So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen, the infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.

So I think this was really blown out of proportion. But again, we want the government not to be involved in these types of decisions. We want the decision to be made by the mothers and their providers. And this is why, Julie, legislators, most of whom are men by the way, shouldn't be telling a woman what she should and shouldn't be doing with her body.”

So yes resuscitated is mentioned, but how In the hell did you miss the part about a discussion will ensue between mother and physician? What are they going to discuss, art, philosophy, history? They are going to discuss whether or not to kill the baby that has been resuscitated. It’s a life that has all the rights the rest of us have in the Constitution. Ya know, life, liberty, and the pursuit if happiness. English and critical thinking ain’t that hard buddy.

I'd imagine they're discussing long term QUALITY OF LIFE for all involved. Providing emergency and palliative care in the interim.

Not sure what, exactly, you fail to grasp with regard to that conversation.

From there I'd imagine, as I said, the choice would be made whether or not to continue artificially sustaining life.

You might want to get a grasp on your own comprehension and contextualization skills before calling out mine or anyone else's.

 

[4Figgy]

I'd imagine they're discussing long term QUALITY OF LIFE for all involved.

Not sure what, exactly, you fail to grasp with regard to that conversation.

From there I'd imagine, as I said, the choice would be made whether or not to continue artificially sustaining life.

You might want to get a grasp on your own comprehension and contextualization skills before calling out mine or anyone else's.

Where is “quality of life” mentioned in the Constitution? Where is “artificially sustaining life” mentioned in the quote? Spin it how you want, but it was clearly infanticide that he was talking about.

The left has lost its damn mind. This is exactly why Trump won in 2016, and exactly why he will in November, and the house will return to a republican majority.

 

[bambam333]

MAGA 2020

 

[egonormical1010]

Union worker here and I pay less than $20 a week for insurance with no deductible. That’s for 2 people. I’d be pissed if I got “taxed” even more for someone else’s healthcare.

 

[LeoTC]

Where is “quality of life” mentioned in the Constitution? Where is “artificially sustaining life” mentioned in the quote? Spin it how you want, but it was clearly infanticide that he was talking about.

The left has lost its damn mind. This is exactly why Trump won in 2016, and exactly why he will in November, and the house will return to a republican majority.

You're being willfully obtuse.

Perhaps rhe child shouldn't be resuscitated to begin with. Emergency medical care isn't mentioned anywhere in the constitution. Nor is any kind of life sustaining machinery.

You're essentially arguing, "Baby is out, it's on its own now."

All good though, didn't expect much out of you.