how can you go on a rant about risk based decision making and completely ignore the drastically segregated risk profile for serious cases/death?
my risk is not the same as a 75yr old with 3 comorbidities. Not even the same as a a prediabetic/obese person my age or younger.
given the overall % of the population that’s caught covid it’s also flawed logic to say that because covid is a risk for XYZ you should take this shot thats also a risk for XYZ, just less. For someone with a low risk profile that’s like asking them to get in a fender bender on the off chance it keeps them out of a major accident on the highway later that day. This is ignoring the fact that nobody is qualified to speak on the long term safety of the vaccine because we do not have long term data. Nevermind the dozens of boosters that will soon be recommended over the course of this virus subsiding to flu level impacts.
“trust the science” needs to die a slow painful death. Science, especially on something so new and evolving, is not to be trusted. It is to be tried and questioned constantly.
I also find it funny that in a convo about risk you make this political and call others sheep as a general take on everyone who refuses the vax as “right wing.” Your assumption that your reasoning is sound an everyone you disagree with is in an echo chamber of lies is peak sheep behavior.
the end state of this conversation is really whether or not you believe in freedom. So long as you’re not advocating for forcible vaccinations say whatever you like.
The idea that only old people are affected by COVID simply is not true. Yes, if you're talking about
deaths, then you are pretty safe if you're young. However, there's more to life than just dying. There have been plenty of young, healthy people who've had long term COVID symptoms such as horrible fatigue, brain fog, memory issues, shortness of breath, etc. All kinds of issues causing drastic decrease in quality of life. Again, it's a risk-based decision. Personally, I would rather get a vaccine that hundreds of millions of other people have also gotten, and only a TINY fraction of which had any kind of negative impact from, than a virus that has a much, MUCH higher rate of issues both short term and long term.
Your car analogy misses the point entirely. Saying someone should get into a fender bender to avoid a major accident is ridiculous, because a fender bender still 100% definitely has direct and immediate negative impact on their life. The COVID vaccine does not, and the virus doesn't either. It is about probability. The probability of issues from the vaccine is far far lower than the probability of issues from the virus, for all age groups and health statuses.
If you look at the studies, you'll notice that many of them show significant issues even if people who get
mild cases. So there's more to it than just serious cases/deaths. Unfortunately, many people seem to choose to ignore this because it doesn't vibe with their own prejudgement about COVID which, again, is mostly formed in internet echo chambers.
I agree, people should not blindly trust science, that's why I advocated for people to read the studies themselves and
draw their own conclusions. What the conspiracy theorists are doing, however, is not trying and questioning, they are forming insane conclusions, touting them as fact, all based off of their own irrational ideas that they often have no (or at best a VERY weak) basis for.
If the data comes out and shows that the virus has mutated into something that is not going to cause long term physical or mental health damage, then I probably wouldn't get the vaccine. But right now, the fact is that it does, and a very significant portion of the people who get COVID--even younger people who get mild cases--struggle with some level of long term symptoms. My hobbies all require me to have abundant energy, as I am sure yours do too. Lifting, running, biking, hiking, working outside. Chronic fatigue essentially eliminates those hobbies from your life, and thus ruins your quality of life. That then often spirals people into depression and anxiety as well, which exacerbates the issue--but that's a side topic.
So yes, I stand by everything I said. I may not have communicated it perfectly, but hopefully some of this has clarified my position. I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but I don't care.
I am not advocating forcing people to get vaccinated, but I stand by my statement about the
alt-right being comprised mostly of sheep. Not the right, mind you, but the alt-right. There is a huge difference between the two. The far-left is often equally as bad. I am not picking sides here, I just constantly hear the far-right talk about everyone else being "sheep" when it seems apparent to me that they, in fact, are the sheep--but whatever, you are right, that is beside the point. I was merely trying to open people's eyes to encourage them to see with clarity and consider the full picture; for them to stop looking through the lens they constantly see through that makes them so jaded towards any kind of science and so trusting of random ass people spouting insane conspiracies. I realize that wasn't the best way to do that, but if it even makes one person take a step back and reconsider their normal thought process, then I will be happy.
