Winny vs Tbol

[skinnyman]

When you say this,,,, do you mean that winstrol is better for strength and mass gains then anavar and masteron,, or are you saying its better for cutting then anavar or masteron?

It's mostly for cutting if you're already in decent shape. For strength I'd choose high dose anavar, but it fucks up my appetite or high dose anadrol which gives me headaches and bad appetite as well.

I like 30mg dianabol pre workout, good strength and endurance. Only problem is that it made me a fat fuck lol.

 

[Monstar]

When you say this,,,, do you mean that winstrol is better for strength and mass gains then anavar and masteron,, or are you saying its better for cutting then anavar or masteron?

My experience -

Masteron does next to nothing for me so forget about it. I only use it for feel good and slight aesthetics. It's well tolerated and I have a bunch so it gets used. Zero performance benefit or mass. Feels decent though.

Winstrol vs Anavar - this is harder. Winny gives me a much better look especially in the shoulders. Does everything that Var does for the rest. I guess that answers the cutting or aesthetic questions.

I used to give the nod to winny big over var on strength but I was decently impressed with var last cycle. I was transitioning from Var to A50 and noticed a significant drop in strength. Took drol about a week to catch me back up. That says something.

Obviously once A50 gets going strength gains will eclipse the others but Var did me surprisingly well. Mentally I still give winny the nod and just enjoy it more but the margin might be a lot closer than it once seemed.

Hope that helps some. Some of these drugs effect people very differently but this is where I've come out. Also all of the winny, var and A50 was 50mg ED so comparable mg per mg. Mast I've run at 300, 400, and 600 per week.

 

[EazyE]

What dosage do you do with winstrol? I find the joint problen with winstrol to be dosage dependent. 50mg a day I am okay,, but I do find that when I go to 70mg or 80mg a day that my elbows and knees do start having a very slight dry feeling,,, but nothing to bad that annoys me or prevents me from going to failure in the major mass movements.

Usually 50mg daily. I don’t usually venture higher than this with Winny.

 

[88general88]

When you say this,,,, do you mean that winstrol is better for strength and mass gains then anavar and masteron,, or are you saying its better for cutting then anavar or masteron?

Masteron is not an aas with mass gaining capabilities, so he probably meant for cutting

 

[88general88]

Hey gotta question for you guys. It’s been forever since I have used anavar, and just added 75mg to my 250mg of sustanon. On Friday. I have to say that I do not remember the pumps of anavar being as gnarly as they have been. Literally feel so incredibly full. Is this normal. Like I said it has been almost a decade, I sort of steered away from anavar due to the fact it had been faked for so long. But have seen so many guys coming back saying the prices have dropped on Rae’s which have led to it not being faked as much. But just want to hear if you guys have had the same experiences with feeling ducking pumped all the time

 

[cochino]

Hey gotta question for you guys. It’s been forever since I have used anavar, and just added 75mg to my 250mg of sustanon. On Friday. I have to say that I do not remember the pumps of anavar being as gnarly as they have been. Literally feel so incredibly full. Is this normal. Like I said it has been almost a decade, I sort of steered away from anavar due to the fact it had been faked for so long. But have seen so many guys coming back saying the prices have dropped on Rae’s which have led to it not being faked as much. But just want to hear if you guys have had the same experiences with feeling ducking pumped all the time

Yeah the pumps are pretty bad for me at 50-60 mg. It's hard for me to do any cardio with my legs while on.

 

[88general88]

Yeah the pumps are pretty bad for me at 50-60 mg. It's hard for me to do any cardio with my legs while on.

Yeah I was talking with with one of our homeboys here yesterday on Wickr, and I told him how I was helping some family move over the weekend, Friday was my first day dosing it but I dosed it when it cand in the mail, later on in the day, after I had already hit the gym. So Saturday was the first day of having used it alongside any physical activity in close to ten years. About 1hr into the move I found that my shins cramped up so bad, along with my back that bending at the waist and waking the stairs became almost impossible. Saturday I dosed 100mg. But decided that was too much so I chopped it down to 75mg. I am thinking I may need to bring it down another 25mg to 50mg Ed. Cause even at 75mg. I am that even before stepping foot into the gym, the pumps are maddening. It’s been almost 15years since I have used anadrol, and I had planned on throwing in some anadrol on top of the anavar, even at 25mg and 25mg I may fail to get through a workout which in hindsight is counterproductive. Literally I feel more swole than I was on npp. That’s normal??

 

[cochino]

Yeah I was talking with with one of our homeboys here yesterday on Wickr, and I told him how I was helping some family move over the weekend, Friday was my first day dosing it but I dosed it when it cand in the mail, later on in the day, after I had already hit the gym. So Saturday was the first day of having used it alongside any physical activity in close to ten years. About 1hr into the move I found that my shins cramped up so bad, along with my back that bending at the waist and waking the stairs became almost impossible. Saturday I dosed 100mg. But decided that was too much so I chopped it down to 75mg. I am thinking I may need to bring it down another 25mg to 50mg Ed. Cause even at 75mg. I am that even before stepping foot into the gym, the pumps are maddening. It’s been almost 15years since I have used anadrol, and I had planned on throwing in some anadrol on top of the anavar, even at 25mg and 25mg I may fail to get through a workout which in hindsight is counterproductive. Literally I feel more swole than I was on npp. That’s normal??

Swole as feeling like holding water? No, but my muscles stayed pumped and hard all the time. I find that spreading the doses out during the day helped alot vs taking it all preworkout. Fuck that lol. I had 10 mg tablets so I would take 20 morning 20 preworkout and 20 evening plus taurine and potassium for the pumps. It didn't eliminate the pumps totally, but made them bearable.

 

[EazyE]

Yeah I was talking with with one of our homeboys here yesterday on Wickr, and I told him how I was helping some family move over the weekend, Friday was my first day dosing it but I dosed it when it cand in the mail, later on in the day, after I had already hit the gym. So Saturday was the first day of having used it alongside any physical activity in close to ten years. About 1hr into the move I found that my shins cramped up so bad, along with my back that bending at the waist and waking the stairs became almost impossible. Saturday I dosed 100mg. But decided that was too much so I chopped it down to 75mg. I am thinking I may need to bring it down another 25mg to 50mg Ed. Cause even at 75mg. I am that even before stepping foot into the gym, the pumps are maddening. It’s been almost 15years since I have used anadrol, and I had planned on throwing in some anadrol on top of the anavar, even at 25mg and 25mg I may fail to get through a workout which in hindsight is counterproductive. Literally I feel more swole than I was on npp. That’s normal??

Doesn’t Var really increase the uptake of creatine in your system, which may lead to the swole feeling and super pumps you are experiencing...? Research that end of it and maybe the answer lies there somewhere...just a thought anyway.

 

[88general88]

Doesn’t Var really increase the uptake of creatine in your system, which may lead to the swole feeling and super pumps you are experiencing...? Research that end of it and maybe the answer lies there somewhere...just a thought anyway.

What’s up eazE ?? Hey thanks for replying bro, you always got good shit to add. I weighed In today and was really surprised that I have put on about 5lbs. Just since Friday. I have increased my test an extra 300mg/wk, my diet hasn’t changed one bit. Still eating super clean, right around 2800kcals Ed not looking to gain anything really. I have upped my water intake though to about 3-4gallons Ed so the fact you mentioned it impacts creative up take that would definitely make sense as far as the extra weight gain, as well as the swolleness

 

[88general88]

Yeah the pumps are pretty bad for me at 50-60 mg. It's hard for me to do any cardio with my legs while on.

Yeah I usually blast 30-40mins of cardio 3-4 days/wk and today shit, my shins were killing me at 10mins, I am gonna give taurine a shot. I was looking forward to adding var to my current routine, however, after today, I am gonna have to step back and rethink a different approach. Maybe 3 out of the 5days/wk do HIIT, to compensate for lack of cardio.

 

[cochino]

Yeah I usually blast 30-40mins of cardio 3-4 days/wk and today shit, my shins were killing me at 10mins, I am gonna give taurine a shot. I was looking forward to adding var to my current routine, however, after today, I am gonna have to step back and rethink a different approach. Maybe 3 out of the 5days/wk do HIIT, to compensate for lack of cardio.

I relegate myself to the rowing machine for cardio. Tbol will do this to me as well. Not as bad as anavar though. If you can space the doses it will help.

 

[88general88]

I relegate myself to the rowing machine for cardio. Tbol will do this to me as well. Not as bad as anavar though. If you can space the doses it will help.

I am dozing 2x day 40mg In the AM, fasted which with liquid is really gnarly. thought I was gonna barf yesterday, and the 35mg in the evening. I even stretch constantly every time before cardio. Winstrol used to give me bad shin pumps but I could always push through, this is a whole different monster though

 

[tonedproned]

Did winny at 45mg with tren (and test) on a bulk.

Did 50mg of tbol with test only.

Didn't feel winny apart on my joints but I looked 6 weeks out and was eating 4.8k caloriees.

Tbol gave me size pretty fast. Strenght went up fast too but that pumps man, they were great.

Winny isnt typical for bulking is it?

 

[tonedproned]

I'm more of a fan of Tbol,
Nice addition to my stacks as a result of the lack of aromatization.
I'm also a fan of injectable winny, but Tbol edges it out by a little bit.
Love the nice dry strength gains.
I usually run 60mg Tbol for the first 4 weeks of my cycle, if my bloods come back solid at week 4, I'll jump it to 80mg for the last 2 weeks of my Tbol run.
(I up my Test after I finish the Tbol, to finish out the next 6 weeks)

That being said, 80mg tortures me a bit.
I get wicked calf and lower back pumps and the indigestion isnt very pleasant

This is pretty anecdotal, but I seem to keep more gains from a Tbol/ Test cycle... than u do with a winny/Test cycle..... but that could be any number of reasons like nutrition and estrogen levels, could simply be my own behaviour or qaulity of PCT drugs that I'm running at the time.

Whats nice about Winny as well is the no water weight retention and no aromatization.

 

[tonedproned]

I don't get any joint issues with winny. Love the stuff. Haven't ever done tbol so can't opine. What I can say from experience is that winny kicks the shit out of var and masteron for me.

Would you say that Winny has an positive impact on your strength. Im thinking that NPP or Deca to keep those joints nice and lubricated...

 

[tonedproned]

I'm going to try winstrol again next summer. As I said before, I'd easily choose winstrol over other orals for cutting.
Do you guys run gh or something with it?

I will be running some growth with mine 4iu per day

 

[tonedproned]

Again, I agree that I would prefer Winstrol over Tbol. Love the look that Winny gives.

Man the veins that Winny helps to bring out is just mindblowing. Im veiny without it so lets see how I look in 2 weeks

 

[tonedproned]

What dosage do you do with winstrol? I find the joint problen with winstrol to be dosage dependent. 50mg a day I am okay,, but I do find that when I go to 70mg or 80mg a day that my elbows and knees do start having a very slight dry feeling,,, but nothing to bad that annoys me or prevents me from going to failure in the major mass movements.

Im going for 30-50, with orals previously my sweet spot has been 50 but Ive taken Anadrol at a 100mg before but I dont recommend that oral at such a high dose

 

[tonedproned]

It's mostly for cutting if you're already in decent shape. For strength I'd choose high dose anavar, but it fucks up my appetite or high dose anadrol which gives me headaches and bad appetite as well.

I like 30mg dianabol pre workout, good strength and endurance. Only problem is that it made me a fat fuck lol.

Dbol made you fat at 30mg, im thinking that you were bulking doing this time.