Wondering what you should run for your first cycle? Find your answers here.

[RomanMVP]

Good man. We'd have a lot less pointless threads if people took it upon themselves to do homework.

We have pointless threads???????????LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Evom1]

@anfee fix that auto correct, I know that's not what you meant

 

[anfee]

@anfee fix that auto correct, I know that's not what you meant

Lulz. Fixed!!!

 

[Evom1]

Lulz. Fixed!!!

Lol I was like no... He did not just say that, he's smarter than that lol

 

[Skank]

@Evom1 nice work! My only concern, that has yet to be mentioned, is whether one needs to run the hcg during pct if also running it on cycle?

Reading Bill.Roberts profile of HCG, he States: "where an anabolic steroid cycle is long enough for testicular atrophy and/or sensitivity to possibly occur – typically but not always, 8 weeks or more – HCG is introduced during the cycle itself to prevent that. Rather little HCG is needed for this purpose: 100 IU daily, 200 IU every other day, or 250 IU 3x/week are all entirely sufficient. Usage need not be through the cycle either: it can begin at for example 4-6 weeks into the cycle and end with the last steroid injection.

The testicular function problem really is that simple to avoid."

https://thinksteroids.com/steroid-profiles/hcg/

Llewellyn speaks to this also on page 112 on "Anabolics" 11th ed.

Thanks for putting in the work.

 

[TheBeat]

Yeah at day 18 you would be at 62.5 mg. Which is low enough to start pct. Thanks for repeating what I said. Lol, it doesn’t have to be a zero percent to start pct.

Completely agree. Add the fact that some people can metabolize quicker than others and the graphs are just guidelines based on solid evidence. For the sake of argument- One could get blood work to confirm, but it'll be cheaper and without ill effects, to just start at a rational informed time i.e. 2 weeks with the doses presented. I know I wouldn't want to wait until I had low test, or heaven forbid- wait for the exogenous testosterone to completely clear, to start to bring it up; and would much rather have my endogenous production start to raise back up as the exogenous finishes tapering off (no point in starting above baseline, and absolutely no benefit in starting at 0). For the sake of argument and recovery, I'd rather start a week or two early than late.

 

[Dohn joe]

Maybe im not thinking correctly but people seem to be forgetting that the injections will compound. Im currently on cyp for 12 weeks at 500 per week. By the last injection, i will have approximately 1100mg of cyp in my system. I used an 8 day half life not a 6 day like others have mentioned. Using my (rough) math at 8 days after last injection i would be at 550, 16 days is 275, 24 days is 137 and 32 days is 68. I approximated at 68mg is fairly cloae to normal t levels and that seems to be an appropriate time to start pct. Am I incredibly wrong here? I see people saying last injection would only be 500mg or less in your system and that just isnt true to my knowledge. Granted i didnt allow for hcg or quicker metabolisms but isnt starting pct prematurely counter productive?

EDIT: Isnt pct typically started 4 or 5 half lives after last injection? I believe i read that on a sticky here. Please correct me if im wrong because i want my shit to work after this cycle.