Would you inject this (pics)

[Trapmonster]

It almost seems this is happening due to conflict interest. Unfortunately I doubt any of us have that proof.

 

[DedLift]

The fact of the matter is this; when a lab is small and has a manageable clientele it can focus on quality and doseage but when a ugl gets a large chunk of the market, focus changes from being able to handle quality and quantity to just quantity only. If they do half as much business as I believe they do, corners will get cut. There is no way around it.

 

[oldmusclemike]

Find a good lab. So be it and stay with them. If it's bunk get with them and hopefully get a refund. If not, well what ya gonna do?? Then leave them for peace of mind and search for a better source. They are out there. Really I have never had bad gear.

I know just some common sense.
Good Luck

 

[Eman]

The fact of the matter is this; when a lab is small and has a manageable clientele it can focus on quality and doseage but when a ugl gets a large chunk of the market, focus changes from being able to handle quality and quantity to just quantity only. If they do half as much business as I believe they do, corners will get cut. There is no way around it.

I prefer my drug dealers to boast how large they are and post YouTube videos of there manufacturing process.

.... Just me?

 

[mercury]

I've never personally experienced crashed gear. But this is pharmacoms npp 100. It looks like mini cotton balls.

Is this just crashed gear or contaminated and some moldy shit?

After heating it's back to normal.

I was not reading this thread but I think that we need 50 another pharmacoms blood tests to find out what it is. I am staying tuned.

 

[weighted chinup]

The fact of the matter is this; when a lab is small and has a manageable clientele it can focus on quality and doseage but when a ugl gets a large chunk of the market, focus changes from being able to handle quality and quantity to just quantity only. If they do half as much business as I believe they do, corners will get cut. There is no way around it.

I can easily flip that argument around.

A small lab with a small and manageable clientele has less cash flow, ability, or resources to perform QA on the level of a big lab though.

The truth is both are capable. A large lab can properly implement a QA protocol that might not be viable for a small lab to pursue. That's one advantage that isn't being mentioned.

And there are advantages to smaller labs, but customers need to determine what the best value is with least risk and pursue that. This will vary for each individual and large vs small shouldn't be a consideration as far as product quality goes.

I don't like portraying it in a black and white way because that way it makes the market even harder to navigate. It's the old myth that the domestic private guy is the best bet - not always. There are more important factors to assess when purchasing.

 

[Big_paul]

It almost seems this is happening due to conflict interest. Unfortunately I doubt any of us have that proof.

Pharmacom is several levels above a large ugl lab. If the vial Luca sent in is crashed gear, it is the only crashed gear I have ever seen that looks like a black widow spider nest.

 

[Afguy901]

Pharmacom is several levels above a large ugl lab. If the vial Luca sent in is crashed gear, it is the only crashed gear I have ever seen that looks like a black widow spider nest.

That would be a cool name for a lab "black widow labs" lol

 

[Big_paul]

That would be a cool name for a lab "black widow labs" lol

That would be a hot shot for sure

 

[penche]

I can easily flip that argument around.

A small lab with a small and manageable clientele has less cash flow, ability, or resources to perform QA on the level of a big lab though.

The truth is both are capable. A large lab can properly implement a QA protocol that might not be viable for a small lab to pursue. That's one advantage that isn't being mentioned.

And there are advantages to smaller labs, but customers need to determine what the best value is with least risk and pursue that. This will vary for each individual and large vs small shouldn't be a consideration as far as product quality goes.

I don't like portraying it in a black and white way because that way it makes the market even harder to navigate. It's the old myth that the domestic private guy is the best bet - not always. There are more important factors to assess when purchasing.

I hear what you're sayin however Pharmacom is the Walmart of anabolics. They have shirts, posters, clothes, plenty of you tube vids etc etc, too much publicity IMO. Majority, if not most of the new guys will steer their direction. I've used them in the past without problems but have declined to continue after all these issues.

I've had great success with several private labs and had only 1 issues where the lab replaced the vial no questions asked. It's disappointing to see pharmacom inform the customer to send the vial for testing when it's their screw up. That's when I dropped them and moved on. Anyhow just my 2

 

[weighted chinup]

I hear what you're sayin however Pharmacom is the Walmart of anabolics. They have shirts, posters, clothes, plenty of you tube vids etc etc, too much publicity IMO. Majority, if not most of the new guys will steer their direction. I've used them in the past without problems but have declined to continue after all these issues.

I don't think the majority of people are put off by this despite what they claim. The fact is majority of UGL's we discuss are operating on the open web.

The boards aren't really exclusive and tucked away, the fact that these guys sell t-shirts on their list and other stuff is really irrelevant to how exposed they are.

If people cared about exposure then we would be seeing more of this market move to the dark web, but that's not really happening. So I have to assume people don't care, and if they do then they are being inconsistent in their standards, a common occurrence these days.

I've had great success with several private labs and had only 1 issues where the lab replaced the vial no questions asked.

This is to be expected though - there really is no room for this kind of fact finding with a private lab because you can't discuss their label openly in the first place. So of course a replacement in that case can be expected.

Open labs you have the luxury of being able to discuss these things - openly.

The fact finding you see with lab testing is a good thing. It's good for the customer with the complaint because they have hard verifiable evidence, and its especially useful for those doing their research.

I'm not knocking any kind of lab open or private btw.

I'm simply playing devils advocate because once again we're getting wrapped up in this private vs open, small vs big, debate and every time this happens everyone drops their ability to think critically.

My point is both are capable of doing the same thing. Getting wrapped up in this distinction will make it harder to make an educated purchase decision.

 

[DedLift]

I can easily flip that argument around.

A small lab with a small and manageable clientele has less cash flow, ability, or resources to perform QA on the level of a big lab though.

The truth is both are capable. A large lab can properly implement a QA protocol that might not be viable for a small lab to pursue. That's one advantage that isn't being mentioned.

And there are advantages to smaller labs, but customers need to determine what the best value is with least risk and pursue that. This will vary for each individual and large vs small shouldn't be a consideration as far as product quality goes.

I don't like portraying it in a black and white way because that way it makes the market even harder to navigate. It's the old myth that the domestic private guy is the best bet - not always. There are more important factors to assess when purchasing.

You bring up good points but I can't help but think guys are getting sub par gear during pc's sales when they're trying to keep up with the massive influx of demand all at once

 

[penche]

I don't think the majority of people are put off by this despite what they claim. The fact is majority of UGL's we discuss are operating on the open web.

The boards aren't really exclusive and tucked away, the fact that these guys sell t-shirts on their list and other stuff is really irrelevant to how exposed they are.

If people cared about exposure then we would be seeing more of this market move to the dark web, but that's not really happening. So I have to assume people don't care, and if they do then they are being inconsistent in their standards, a common occurrence these days.



This is to be expected though - there really is no room for this kind of fact finding with a private lab because you can't discuss their label openly in the first place. So of course a replacement in that case can be expected.

Open labs you have the luxury of being able to discuss these things - openly.

The fact finding you see with lab testing is a good thing. It's good for the customer with the complaint because they have hard verifiable evidence, and its especially useful for those doing their research.

I'm not knocking any kind of lab open or private btw.

I'm simply playing devils advocate because once again we're getting wrapped up in this private vs open, small vs big, debate and every time this happens everyone drops their ability to think critically.

My point is both are capable of doing the same thing. Getting wrapped up in this distinction will make it harder to make an educated purchase decision.

Great points and I see what you're steppin in. However, pharmacom seems to always place the burden on the customer if there's an issue with quality or potency speculation. What's their first line of defense? Send a brand new vial to Simec for testing and they will reimburse after customer has fronted the cash. Issues could be handled differently in my opinion. Seems they hold tight to that vial unless cash is exchanged.

An example of different customer service, 24k which was an open lab. My total test numbers were slightly low on 800mg per week. Total test was 3800. Reached out to him and we worked a deal to keep the customer happy. I posted my labs as well.

I'm just not fond with pharmacom's customer service but I see your points.

 

[XKawN]

Great points and I see what you're steppin in. However, pharmacom seems to always place the burden on the customer if there's an issue with quality or potency speculation. What's their first line of defense? Send a brand new vial to Simec for testing and they will reimburse after customer has fronted the cash. Issues could be handled differently in my opinion. Seems they hold tight to that vial unless cash is exchanged.

An example of different customer service, 24k which was an open lab. My total test numbers were slightly low on 800mg per week. Total test was 3800. Reached out to him and we worked a deal to keep the customer happy. I posted my labs as well.

I'm just not fond with pharmacom's customer service but I see your points.

Great business tactic. We'll reimburse you after you spend a shit load of time, money and energy into having a $60 vial tested. 99.9% of folks would just forget about it. Source wins. Kind of like the mail in rebate scam. Very few folks will end up sending the rebate in so the manufacturer just fooled you into thinking your getting the good treatment.

 

[Steroidify]

at may have ties to a certain source/lab. what i was thinking would be a sticky closed thread where a updated list would be. it would be up

I hear what you're sayin however Pharmacom is the Walmart of anabolics. They have shirts, posters, clothes, plenty of you tube vids etc etc, too much publicity IMO. Majority, if not most of the new guys will steer their direction. I've used them in the past without problems but have declined to continue after all these issues.

I've had great success with several private labs and had only 1 issues where the lab replaced the vial no questions asked. It's disappointing to see pharmacom inform the customer to send the vial for testing when it's their screw up. That's when I dropped them and moved on. Anyhow just my 2

Great points and I see what you're steppin in. However, pharmacom seems to always place the burden on the customer if there's an issue with quality or potency speculation. What's their first line of defense? Send a brand new vial to Simec for testing and they will reimburse after customer has fronted the cash. Issues could be handled differently in my opinion. Seems they hold tight to that vial unless cash is exchanged.

An example of different customer service, 24k which was an open lab. My total test numbers were slightly low on 800mg per week. Total test was 3800. Reached out to him and we worked a deal to keep the customer happy. I posted my labs as well.

I'm just not fond with pharmacom's customer service but I see your points.

Great business tactic. We'll reimburse you after you spend a shit load of time, money and energy into having a $60 vial tested. 99.9% of folks would just forget about it. Source wins. Kind of like the mail in rebate scam. Very few folks will end up sending the rebate in so the manufacturer just fooled you into thinking your getting the good treatment.

I can understand your position and as always, I will comply, by improving this lab testing procedure in relation to our customer.
There will be no longer a " shit load of time, money and energy into having a $60 vial tested. ". Just send the vial to an accredited laboratory and send us the bill.

Just a reminder, LucaBratzi decided to pay from his own pocket and not requesting a refund or a Deca-P vial reimbursement due to credibility issues that could've emerged, as he mentioned. A position I think everybody understood.

MESO finding a new place for testing would be a great addition for achieving a higher level of transparency we all search for and which I always promoted.
Some mentioned other places might be more expensive. That won't be a problem.
Please check my recent post regarding a new blood test report that gave rise to additional controversies.

As I mentioned in the past, I stopped commenting the blood test results, especially evolving scenarios like the ones that are now folding here.
That doesn't mean I don't consider them to be relevant, on contrary, I promote them and each month we offer at least 35-40 x 100$ store credit coupons for the members who post them, as part of our permanent promo.

You all know SIMEC is having some delays due to vacation period in Europe and center relocation. A chromatography/hlpc testing there costs around 350$ and it was pretty advantageous compared to other places. No problem, there must be other options too.

We will allocate up to 1.000$ budget for testing this product but made at another laboratory, one chosen by all MESO community. Of course, an unopened vial needs to be sent and from there we'll take care of everything.

 

[mercury]

Darius I am curious about you manufacturing practices what we see in the picture it is clearly fungus / bacteria colony. You do not want to inject that shit, I have seen very bad infection. Guy at local gym almost lost his leg, they wanted to cut it.

 

[Steroidify]

Darius I am curious about you manufacturing practices what we see in the picture it is clearly fungus / bacteria colony. You do not want to inject that shit, I have seen very bad infection. Guy at local gym almost lost his leg, they wanted to cut it.

I'm going to be very honest, like always. I have never seen anything like that before.
Our team is already analyzing the current GH batch for similar particles of formations. We randomly opened more than 30 vials today and next week we'll do the same thing at the other warehouse. (some colleagues from there are in vacation)
GH raws are imported from the same source for some time now and never failed. We forwarded them the pic to their lab also. Even if the raws belong to another manufacturer, we assume full responsibility, we have our own filling lines and filters, so even if something hypothetically was in the raws, it would've be filtered in our facility during the filling procedure. T

I made the above remark regarding the GH vial and not the Deca-P. For Deca we're waiting the SIMEC report, we already stated our position regarding that formation (crystalization). We EXCLUDE other possibilities.

Achiles didn't use our bc water but stated of using also something similar so to have an overnight growing formation fungus/bacteria type inside is excluded.

In total, in the first semester of this year, from my knowledge, Pharmacom released from factory around 3.5 million vials. This is the 10th year of activity for our manufacturer. I think if some of the products indeed contained what you guys suggest, with all the shills and money in the world we couldn't have influenced a negative outburst on the boards ... infections, fever or other medical problems.

 

[GearGodess]

Any news on this disaster yet?

 

[Big_paul]

Everyone wants the results. We have been patient. This is more now than Luca's vial of npp, it's Anaboliclab's credibility that is at stake. I have read posts that well known members have made that say that the lab tests we ask for mean nothing to simec. I hope that is not the case, because Anaboliclab and Millard Baker have given not just members of our board information that helps us decide which labs to use but anyone who chooses to use PED's and it is FREE.

Does anyone have an idea when the test results will be released?

 

[Dw725]

Everyone wants the results. We have been patient. This is more now than Luca's vial of npp, it's Anaboliclab's credibility that is at stake. I have read posts that well known members have made that say that the lab tests we ask for mean nothing to simec. I hope that is not the case, because Anaboliclab and Millard Baker have given not just members of our board information that helps us decide which labs to use but anyone who chooses to use PED's and it is FREE.

Does anyone have an idea when the test results will be released?

I don't believe anabolic labs credibility is at stake. Maybe simec's reputation with customer service at most, but neither anabolic labs credibility nor simec's credibility is compromised by this.