WWB EQ 600mg/ml oil color

[RocketSurge0n]

Oxidation is essentially the process of burning. A reactive form of oxygen contacts something and oxidizes, “burns” it.

I used to think oxidation wasn’t a good sign, but since the reaction already occurred (ie, something already reacted with an oxidant and was therefore “oxidized”) there wasn’t much risk.

That was incorrect.

I’ll describe ONE process injecting oxidized liquid triggers, called a “cascade”. There are many more than this.

Oxidation creates byproducts called peroxides. In oils, these are created in very high levels, and what we associate with “rancid” oils.

The body fights infections with inflammation, essentially “oxidizing” cells to destroy them.

Unfortunately this destroys “off target” good tissue as well.

When you inject peroxides, the liver interprets their presence as a sign you’re fighting some major infection somewhere. In response, it creates large amounts of what are basically, molecular factories that produce reactive oxygen. Reactive oxygen oxidizes / burns / damages on contact.

Much of this ends up in your circulatory system, and fries the endothelium (the non stick layer of your arteries). The damaged endothelium allows cholesterol to easily pass through into your arterial walls. Once there, it’ll eventually reach a concentration where it “crystallizes” like high concentration sugar in hot water as it cools.

Those crystals slice up the tissue of your arterial walls, making them even more susceptible to cholesterol entering, and the micro injuries trigger another inflammatory reaction…… and on and on this inflammatory cascade goes, which is why everyone has a “baseline” level of inflammation, and the higher it is, the more roaming oxidants are in your body, randomly destroying cells, prematurely aging everything from your brain to your face.

God damn. Thanks for the breakdown.

 

[Sampei]

Have you ever seen BU raw? Except the picture in the first post all other BU are just how most of EQ oils come out.

I have 3 different BU raw, one is light, super light, like a slightly tinted yellow very similar to refined GSO.

The other two one is light orange and the other one is dark orange.

Purity not in order: 89/87/94%.

So guess who's the 94% purity raw.

 

[RocketSurge0n]

Have you ever seen BU raw? Except the picture in the first post all other BU are just how most of EQ oils come out.

I have 3 different BU raw, one is light, super light, like a slightly tinted yellow very similar to refined GSO.

The other two one is light orange and the other one is dark orange.

Purity not in order: 89/87/94%.

So guess who's the 94% purity raw.

Who!? Also, you listed in order so the orange one is 94%?

 

[Sampei]

Who!? Also, you listed in order so the orange one is 94%?

I wrote purity not in order lol

 

[RocketSurge0n]

I wrote purity not in order lol

Oh lol. My bad. Who was the 94% from tho?

 

[Sampei]

Oh lol. My bad. Who was the 94% from tho?

Dark orange one

 

[RocketSurge0n]

Dark orange one

Welllllll shit haha. That makes me feel better. What would you do in my situation? Run this or toss it?

 

[Sampei]

Welllllll shit haha. That makes me feel better. What would you do in my situation? Run this or toss it?

Why would you toss it? Lol

It looks completely fine mate

 

[RocketSurge0n]

Why would you toss it? Lol

It looks completely fine mate

If you read up a bit some folks are saying it’s color indicates oxidation and it could be super harmful.

 

[Sampei]

If you read up a bit some folks are saying it’s color indicates oxidation and it could be super harmful.

Yeah they are talking out of their asses.

If the color of the raw is dark orange and its 600mg/ml most of that oil is just raw, what kind of fricking colour could it ever be if not yellow orange tinted?

 

[RocketSurge0n]

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Yeah they are talking out of their asses.

If the color of the raw is dark orange and its 600mg/ml most of that oil is just raw, what kind of fricking colour could it ever be if not yellow orange tinted?

This makes me feel a lot better cuz I have a whole kit of this batch. Thank you man.

 

[Whistles77]

Yeah they are talking out of their asses.

If the color of the raw is dark orange and its 600mg/ml most of that oil is just raw, what kind of fricking colour could it ever be if not yellow orange tinted?

The discussion is a generalization and not specific to EQ. Obviously some compounds are yellow characteristically. The suggestion is to be critical of unusually colored compounds and include CRP in bloodwork where suspficion of oxidation exists. This is partly driven by seeing Test C, Test E, DHB all coming out much more yellow than people are used to, as well as a batch of yellow EQ that keeps crashing along with gaslighting especially from a vendor with a checkered history.

People are preaching caution and checking blood work rather than chucking stuff.

As regards the WWB EQ, i've personally made no comment. Usually i defer to the brewers in the community who've more experience. In fact the vendor with the crashing EQ (both 300 and 500mg/ml) is suggesting that he had +97% purity raws and that was the cause of the crashing.

Honestly interested in your take on that product drama.

 

[Sampei]

The discussion is a generalization and not specific to EQ. Obviously some compounds are yellow characteristically. The suggestion is to be critical of unusually colored compounds and include CRP in bloodwork where suspficion of oxidation exists. This is partly driven by seeing Test C, Test E, DHB all coming out much more yellow than people are used to, as well as a batch of yellow EQ that keeps crashing along with gaslighting especially from a vendor with a checkered history.

People are preaching caution and checking blood work rather than chucking stuff.

As regards the WWB EQ, i've personally made no comment. Usually i defer to the brewers in the community who've more experience. In fact the vendor with the crashing EQ (both 300 and 500mg/ml) is suggesting that he had +97% purity raws and that was the cause of the crashing.

Honestly interested in your take on that product drama.

If the EQ the source has is in powder form, it is possible to crash, I remember QSC Tracy talking about it, that he could get high purity EQ but it was crashing even at concentration we laugh at when it's about EQ (like 300mg/ml)

The vendor however should post the raw purity test to correlate his story.

Yeah I was just referring to the EQ pictures and all the talk about it, EQ is naturally yellowish, sometime you find more whiteish raw sometime they are dark orange, purity funny enough is not and indication of the colour.,

 

[IndividualMan]

Have you ever seen BU raw? Except the picture in the first post all other BU are just how most of EQ oils come out.

I have 3 different BU raw, one is light, super light, like a slightly tinted yellow very similar to refined GSO.

The other two one is light orange and the other one is dark orange.

Purity not in order: 89/87/94%.

So guess who's the 94% purity raw.

it gets darker with higher Purity? goddamn. checks out tho, my 90% EQ (only ever seen 86-91% purity EQ) looks like Castor. did not know it gets this dark this quickly.

 

[Sampei]

it gets darker with higher Purity? goddamn. checks out tho, my 90% EQ (only ever seen 86-91% purity EQ) looks like Castor. did not know it gets this dark this quickly.

No it doesn't, colour is completely not correlated to purity.

Light yellow almost white transparent: 89.x%

orange: 87℅

Dark orange: 94%

 

[IndividualMan]

If the EQ the source has is in powder form, it is possible to crash, I remember QSC Tracy talking about it, that he could get high purity EQ but it was crashing even at concentration we laugh at when it's about EQ (like 300mg/ml)

The vendor however should post the raw purity test to correlate his story.

Yeah I was just referring to the EQ pictures and all the talk about it, EQ is naturally yellowish, sometime you find more whiteish raw sometime they are dark orange, purity funny enough is not and indication of the colour.,

EQ POWDER????? that was what the people at my gym were talking about when i said i was gonna run some EQ at 300mg/ml

No it doesn't, colour is completely not correlated to purity.

Light yellow almost white transparent: 89.x%

orange: 87℅

Dark orange: 94%

interesting. what do you think impacts the color then? cant be leftover undecylenic acid (too light). Unreacted undecylenic anhydride maybe? even though that usually isnt left over after esterification.

 

[Whistles77]

If the EQ the source has is in powder form, it is possible to crash, I remember QSC Tracy talking about it, that he could get high purity EQ but it was crashing even at concentration we laugh at when it's about EQ (like 300mg/ml)

The vendor however should post the raw purity test to correlate his story.

Yeah I was just referring to the EQ pictures and all the talk about it, EQ is naturally yellowish, sometime you find more whiteish raw sometime they are dark orange, purity funny enough is not and indication of the colour.,

I didn't even know there was such a thing as powder EQ raws! Photon also suggested Yura HYB had said the same thing about high purity EQ crashes. I think the vendor missed out on posting the raw testing for that EQ, but i might have missed it. Either way, in that case, seems the product isn't necesarilly fir for purpose if it keeps crashing. There wasn't resolution, and there was yellowing, so naturally scepticism creeps into other threads.

 

[Ghoul]

Yeah they are talking out of their asses.

If the color of the raw is dark orange and its 600mg/ml most of that oil is just raw, what kind of fricking colour could it ever be if not yellow orange tinted?

Two things can be true at once,

Color can be tinting from the active ingredient.

Color can oil oxidation.

Without checking the peroxide content, there’s no way to be certain.

MCT + compound vials that were previously clear or very light colored is suspicious. The sudden appearance of unexplained yellow / amber in a raw may itself be a sign of oxidation, or not, coming from something else.

Peroxide is extremely harmful, and the limits pharma has for allowable levels in injectables are very low because of this.

Oil compatible peroxide testing papers / sticks were recently developed in the last couple of years.

 

[Sampei]

EQ POWDER????? that was what the people at my gym were talking about when i said i was gonna run some EQ at 300mg/ml

interesting. what do you think impacts the color then? cant be leftover undecylenic acid (too light). Unreacted undecylenic anhydride maybe? even though that usually isnt left over after esterification.

I have no clue, probably different synthesis? I mean its a little bit of a mind fuck all these colour difference of same type of raw.

Yeah I never seen it myself but I heard of EQ in powder form allegedly it's super pure and its not In lquid form but it could be all bullshit.

However high purity EQ that crash when brewed has been repeated many time by more than a few person/source.

For example I have seen two tren Ace raws, both 94℅ pure. One giving super light yellow tren and the other giving orange red tren A.

Same way of brewing, same temperature used, all external factors the same.

What's the reason? Fuck if I know. We should run GCMS on both maybe and hope it comes out with something bevause even then it's not assured we can discern the reason of these different final product color.

Both raws (of tren A) looks mostly the same until you start mixing it.

 

[Sampei]

Yes, I believe the floating 85-95% EQ raws have harmless impurities.
The Meso members who have tested the lowest purity EQ can confirm by sending their samples for extra impurity testing, and this way we can answer the million dollar question about safety of EQ at 90%.
Especially that the +96% purity sticky EQ hasn't been practical at all for brewing, most of them cannot hold over 200mg/ml and crash beyond that.

My bad it wasn't powder it was sticky like deca or sustanon or melted sustanon/test E I think.

But read what he says about high purity EQ.