Yep I was stupid @ Week 6 added Deca to a Test E Cycle. Need advice

[Tommo82]

Hi Guys,

I know i'll get some mocking for this. But I started a cycle on Anavar looking to loose some weight and get a bit more bulk. I'm 5'7 been training for 10 years on and off but 38 now feeling i'm not getting anywhere.

So I upped the training and I have been well on it but wasn't seeing results so started on Anavar (oxandralone for 4 weeks) didn't see any noticeable changes. I'll add i''m on a musle food meal prep program so hoping my diet is on point and I have MYoband Protein shake every day and also Myoband Oblivian while and after training. I decided to go onto Test Enthante, ignis pharma. Might be dodgy (don''t know) I thought a 250mg a week cycle was vile so thats how stupid I was and oredered 10 viles. Then I got my maths right and laughed. Any way 6 weeks in - I was gaining and definitely seeing changes. Before i'd thought about this and ordered a vial of deca. Now knowing my doses I thought ahhh. I've got enough deca to do 400mg to end of cylcle like i've seen everyone doing. Probable placebo or also the massive water retention after first shot but seemed to kick my cycle up.

Then I checked if using the deca would effect my PCT and if I need anything else. Thats when the info appeared that Deca should be used from the start and never really on a first cycle.

So I'll ignore the shit because i'm thick skinned and realize I've made a clanger of a mistake.

In a nutshell I'm desperate for advise on what to do at this stage. Here's what my plan has ended up like.

And what I have.

Anavar 1-8 weeks - tapering up to 60mg
Test E started after week 4 of anavar 12 weeks at 500mg per week
Stupid one Deca started week 6 300mg per week.
For side effects water retention - Armidex 1mg every other day.

Then at 12 weeks stop AFTER ABOUT A WEEK DAY 18. -HCG EVERY OTHER DAY
4 @ 750 MICRO GAMES.
3 @ 500
2 @ 250

Then add Nolva at 25 days AFTER LAST ‘SHOT

40mg a day for 18 days
Then 20mg for 14 days.

I've now been doing the deca for 2 weeks. shall I stop and keep plan as is? or any suggestions I really am open to. Feeling quite a crash at the mo which I suppose is shut down. But still working downstairs.

Thanks in advance of any reply

 

[Tommo82]

Sorry forgot to Say 5'7. 78kg.

 

[All Nats McGee]

That’s way to much gear for a first cycle. I even think 500mg test is to much. You should cool your jets and just run the test. 500mg test you should be more then satisfied with the gains. Otherwise it’s something else that’s off.

 

[Rival]

PCTing after Deca is what’s going to haunt you after a full cycle. I would drop it now if you plan on PCTing. Man you need a ton of research before hopping on a cycle, and it’s unfortunate that you’ve already started adding compounds on top of what you’re unfamiliar with.

I would drop everything besides the Test, and read, read, read

 

[Cashton]

Hi Guys,

I know i'll get some mocking for this. But I started a cycle on Anavar looking to loose some weight and get a bit more bulk. I'm 5'7 been training for 10 years on and off but 38 now feeling i'm not getting anywhere.

So I upped the training and I have been well on it but wasn't seeing results so started on Anavar (oxandralone for 4 weeks) didn't see any noticeable changes. I'll add i''m on a musle food meal prep program so hoping my diet is on point and I have MYoband Protein shake every day and also Myoband Oblivian while and after training. I decided to go onto Test Enthante, ignis pharma. Might be dodgy (don''t know) I thought a 250mg a week cycle was vile so thats how stupid I was and oredered 10 viles. Then I got my maths right and laughed. Any way 6 weeks in - I was gaining and definitely seeing changes. Before i'd thought about this and ordered a vial of deca. Now knowing my doses I thought ahhh. I've got enough deca to do 400mg to end of cylcle like i've seen everyone doing. Probable placebo or also the massive water retention after first shot but seemed to kick my cycle up.

Then I checked if using the deca would effect my PCT and if I need anything else. Thats when the info appeared that Deca should be used from the start and never really on a first cycle.

So I'll ignore the shit because i'm thick skinned and realize I've made a clanger of a mistake.

In a nutshell I'm desperate for advise on what to do at this stage. Here's what my plan has ended up like.

And what I have.

Anavar 1-8 weeks - tapering up to 60mg
Test E started after week 4 of anavar 12 weeks at 500mg per week
Stupid one Deca started week 6 300mg per week.
For side effects water retention - Armidex 1mg every other day.

Then at 12 weeks stop AFTER ABOUT A WEEK DAY 18. -HCG EVERY OTHER DAY
4 @ 750 MICRO GAMES.
3 @ 500
2 @ 250

Then add Nolva at 25 days AFTER LAST ‘SHOT

40mg a day for 18 days
Then 20mg for 14 days.

I've now been doing the deca for 2 weeks. shall I stop and keep plan as is? or any suggestions I really am open to. Feeling quite a crash at the mo which I suppose is shut down. But still working downstairs.

Thanks in advance of any reply

The biggest thing here is that a Deca pct and a test pct are completely different, and let it be noted that Deca will continue to effect your hpta for months after.

 

[Tommo82]

Guys I really appreciate your honest opinions here. I think I guess what I'm unsure of is can I just cut the deca out and not use and continue with the same PCT plan. I don't really know whether that will effect me and I need to add to the PCT regardless if I just stop it now, you know I did read quite a bit. I Bought a book and it mentioned none of this. I guess people are getting more aware. I've got a good friend very experienced who calling me tomorrow but any info or pointers much appreciated. I've got other addictions going on top of this so i'm looking at damage limitation!

 

[Tommo82]

The biggest thing here is that a Deca pct and a test pct are completely different, and let it be noted that Deca will continue to effect your hpta for months after.

Thanks mate I had no idea of this

 

[Tommo82]

PCTing after Deca is what’s going to haunt you after a full cycle. I would drop it now if you plan on PCTing. Man you need a ton of research before hopping on a cycle, and it’s unfortunate that you’ve already started adding compounds on top of what you’re unfamiliar with.

I would drop everything besides the Test, and read, read, read

Thanks , appreciated - i'm going to do this. I dont know if you know but should I keep the PCT the same ? as noted on my thread. I do have some clomid at hand also

 

[Rival]

Guys I really appreciate your honest opinions here. I think I guess what I'm unsure of is can I just cut the deca out and not use and continue with the same PCT plan. I don't really know whether that will effect me and I need to add to the PCT regardless if I just stop it now, you know I did read quite a bit. I Bought a book and it mentioned none of this. I guess people are getting more aware. I've got a good friend very experienced who calling me tomorrow but any info or pointers much appreciated. I've got other addictions going on top of this so i'm looking at damage limitation!

you’re 6 weeks total into test and anavar right? And 2 weeks of Deca? You’re 38 so you’re in my boat, recovery may or may not happen. Do you have any baseline bloodwork? I would carry on your PCT as planned and run a post pct blood panel to see if you recovered about 4-6 weeks after you last day of PCT.

I think you said you want to drop everything, if thats also including the test that’s a smart move IMO. Especially if you’re dealing with other drug issues/addiction right now. AAS and drugs do not mix

 

[Tommo82]

That’s way to much gear for a first cycle. I even think 500mg test is to much. You should cool your jets and just run the test. 500mg test you should be more then satisfied with the gains. Otherwise it’s something else that’s off.

Yeh to be honest mate I was only looking at 250, but so many people said that was enough - gains are good at mid way so I guess thats just the test anyway as deca not doing much yet. I'm finding it all very interesting but I guess you sometimes learn by your mistakes. to be honest it wasn't until I found these forums I found real experiences of people''s knowledge. Cheers

 

[Tommo82]

I haven't received my results yet, but mistake number two - didn't do a baseline. So only did it last week. I'm on week 8 of Test Cylcle, I added the Deca @ six weeks in to the cycle, started the Anavar about 4 weeks prior then cut it out at six weeks of that so they overlapped by two weeks. My deca has been approx 400mg for two weeks. I've split it into two pins per week.

 

[Rival]

I haven't received my results yet, but mistake number two - didn't do a baseline. So only did it last week. I'm on week 8 of Test Cylcle, I added the Deca @ six weeks in to the cycle, started the Anavar about 4 weeks prior then cut it out at six weeks of that so they overlapped by two weeks. My deca has been approx 400mg for two weeks. I've split it into two pins per week.

you’re definitely going to have suppression after 8 weeks. If you stop everything you may need to push your PCT back due to Deca still being in your system. Not 100% sure when this should be pushed back - I’ll let someone else chime in.

Id run the Nolva and save the clomid for after your post PCT bloodwork in case you aren’t recovered, you’ll have to run the clomid.

 

[Tommo82]

Thanks mate - well bloodwork coming this week. I think I need to run the test past the deca though and wait for the pct. So I'm hoping just cut the deca then do pct after 12 weeks. :-/ have no idea. shit

 

[Silentlemon1011]

I'm going to go ahead and assume you didnt buy Pharma Deca?
If Castor Oil (Pharma) elimination Half life is around 30ish days (Individually dependant)
UGL is around 20 days Elimination (Metabilite half life is even longer.. like 35 or something)

So
You took 400 mg Deca

20 days 200mg remaining (Once again, EVERYONE is different, so this is only a pharmacological rule of thumb, not a law)
40 days 100mg
60 days 50mg
90 days 25mg and then it becomes low enough levels that it does but really doesnt effext or supress your HPTA (We have pretty resiliant systems)

Let's get to the meat and potatoes

Grab some HCG
Start pinning
500iu a week is fine, just to maintain testicular function
You're going to be going a long time with impaired HPTA functions let's keep your nuts alive hombre
(It doesnt desensitize leydig cells, dont listen to cavemen who are living in the 1990s)

Usually its 4 weeks (Once again, give or take) for a Test E PCT at 500mg
Push it back to 6

Add HCG at 1500iu per week to really keep the testes rolling on weeks 5 and 6 after last pin.

Week 6 after last pin will be 84 days after your deca injection.

Should be safe to start PCT

Finish PCT
4 weeks later
Bloodwork

Retake PCT as required, metabolites etc should be cleared by then.

How do o know this?

Lol I've been in your exact spot (Except I wasnt smart enough to stop, I just blasted a full Deca cycle and tries to PCT

Now I'm B&C for life lmfao

Good luck bro

 

[Tommo82]

I'm going to go ahead and assume you didnt buy Pharma Deca?
If Castor Oil (Pharma) elimination Half life is around 30ish days (Individually dependant)
UGL is around 20 days Elimination (Metabilite half life is even longer.. like 35 or something)

So
You took 400 mg Deca

20 days 200mg remaining (Once again, EVERYONE is different, so this is only a pharmacological rule of thumb, not a law)
40 days 100mg
60 days 50mg
90 days 25mg and then it becomes low enough levels that it does but really doesnt effext or supress your HPTA (We have pretty resiliant systems)

Let's get to the meat and potatoes

Grab some HCG
Start pinning
500iu a week is fine, just to maintain testicular function
You're going to be going a long time with impaired HPTA functions let's keep your nuts alive hombre
(It doesnt desensitize leydig cells, dont listen to cavemen who are living in the 1990s)

Usually its 4 weeks (Once again, give or take) for a Test E PCT at 500mg
Push it back to 6

Add HCG at 1500iu per week to really keep the testes rolling on weeks 5 and 6 after last pin.

Week 6 after last pin will be 84 days after your deca injection.

Should be safe to start PCT

Finish PCT
4 weeks later
Bloodwork

Retake PCT as required, metabolites etc should be cleared by then.

How do o know this?

Lol I've been in your exact spot (Except I wasnt smart enough to stop, I just blasted a full Deca cycle and tries to PCT

Now I'm B&C for life lmfao


Good luck bro

Thank Dude - better get some more HCG in! So sorry if i'm sounding dumb here do you mean run 6 weeks of test after my last pin of deca(which was Friday 9th oct) , along with taking the HCG then go into PCT ? As shown in my plan above. Wow I got a long road ahead better get this in a diary. But thank you so much for sharing your experience dude. and sorry to hear you leanrt and paying for it. Yeh I dont know if its pharma grade says it is but dont know. IGNIS PHARMA.
Take care man gonna get this into a plan. Need to learn how to mix the HCG lol Fucking hell I've dabbled way to early, but I gues that's how you learn. Loving my big shoulders but not my massive sore feet. took an extra AI though and seems to have settled

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Thank Dude - better get some more HCG in! So sorry if i'm sounding dumb here do you mean run 6 weeks of test after my last pin of deca(which was Friday 9th oct) , along with taking the HCG then go into PCT ? As shown in my plan above. Wow I got a long road ahead better get this in a diary. But thank you so much for sharing your experience dude. and sorry to hear you leanrt and paying for it. Yeh I dont know if its pharma grade says it is but dont know. IGNIS PHARMA.
Take care man gonna get this into a plan. Need to learn how to mix the HCG lol Fucking hell I've dabbled way to early, but I gues that's how you learn. Loving my big shoulders but not my massive sore feet. took an extra AI though and seems to have settled

From reading above
I assumed you JUST pinned your deca
So if you're on week 6.
Stop the deca
Finish your blast.

What week are you on and how long ago was the last deca pin?

Mixing HCG is really easy

 

[Cashton]

From reading above
I assumed you JUST pinned your deca
So if you're on week 6.
Stop the deca
Finish your blast.

What week are you on and how long ago was the last deca pin?

Mixing HCG is really easy

Yeah I’m thinking worst case he ends up on trt, next best to that he runs his cycle 6 weeks longer and pct from there ensuring the Deca has cleared.

 

[Tommo82]

Yeah I’m thinking worst case he ends up on trt, next best to that he runs his cycle 6 weeks longer and pct from there ensuring the Deca has cleared.

Yeh seems like my only option - and to above Question. Im on week 8. I pinned 2 weeks of deca. so four pins at 200mg. Ordered some HCG. Ive got a vial of 5000 but they didnt include the solution.

 

[Tommo82]

Thank you all - i didn't know how serious I mucking about with my body. All a learning curve. I felt shit with how much I put in and what I got out. No drinking, clean meals, and ive not really felt shit until this week. - week 8 on other chemicals as well though so I've got other things to sort too. SO what I've gained from this I've copied to a document to print and keep it solid on dates. Hopefully it works out. I'll keep lifting and hopefully wont feel too shit. So the HPTA youve mentioned - this is kidney vibes ? Not working properly ?

 

[Cashton]

Yeh seems like my only option - and to above Question. Im on week 8. I pinned 2 weeks of deca. so four pins at 200mg. Ordered some HCG. Ive got a vial of 5000 but they didnt include the solution.

Oh you need to order a bottle of bacteriostatic water ! To mix the hcg. Oh and In case you didn’t pick this up... drop the Deca now if you want to pct ever.