Zero sex drive post sustanon cycle:<

[Oxygen]

hi my friends,

I was on a sustanon-only cycle for 16 weeks as follows:
weeks 1- 4: 500mg/weekly
weeks 5-16: 250mg/weekly

alongside I have used 25-50mg proviron ED & 0.25mg arimidex ED throughout the cycle, I was always horny during the cycle. I started PCT 3 weeks after my last injection as follows:
week3: 5000 HCG + 20mg nolvadex
week4: 5000 HCG + 20mg nolvadex
week5: 2500 HCG + 20mg nolvadex
week6 & week7 & week8: nolvadex 20mg

now am 10 weeks post cycle & my sex drive is non existant !! I can get erection if I try to physically stimulate myself but otherwise non also I noticed no more morning woods !! I have made test for total testosterone & the result was:

7.2 ng/ml ref. range : (2.6 - 10.0)

other symptoms include lost some weight maybe due to water retention, feel depressed, less motivated to workout, less confident, low self-esteem & lost the general feeling of well-being. Though I should point out that my strength has no reduced....

Please tell me how can I get my sex drive back to normal? should I run more tests for free testosterone, estradiol ,LH , FSH , DHT ,prolactin ??? should I give arimidex or clomid a shot ??? am very stressed & I don't know what to do anymore my sex life is down the gutter... am evading my gf when she ever talks about sex am sorry for the long post

any suggestions my friends?

 

[jasthace]

That's quite a bit of hcg bro, hope you didn't desensitize the laydigs.
I really don't know what to tell you and cant offer advice,but I will say, if I was in that position and valued my GF I would get back on the testosterone or go and see a sexual health specialist to see how they could help me.
I just come off one year and ten months continuous use{7 weeks ago} and only used one 5000iu vial of hcg and plus tamoxifen and all is well.
Where did you get that hcg protocol from?

 

[Oxygen]

jasthace, thanks for your reply

I didn't use that much hcg on my own, I read on some forum that these are the recommended dosages along with nolvadex
how can I tell if my leydig cells have been desensitize or not ?? if my LH is ok & my testosterone level is within range, isn't that an indication that my testicles are working just fine?

am glad that things were fine with you, the thing is am fu****, I don't know what else to do. I have overheard on many occasions that in such cases going back on cycle will only make things more complicated, but I don't really know!, can you explain how going back on test is going to help?

 

[Oxygen]

jasthace, thanks for your reply

I didn't use that much hcg on my own, I read on some forum that these are the recommended dosages along with nolvadex
how can I tell if my leydig cells have been desensitize or not ?? if my LH is ok & my testosterone level is within range, isn't that an indication that my testicles are working just fine?

am glad that things were fine with you, the thing is am fu****, I don't know what else to do. I have overheard on many occasions that in such cases going back on cycle will only make things more complicated, but I don't really know!, can you explain how going back on test is going to help?

please anyone, any opinions?

 

[Dzaster]

That's quite a bit of hcg bro, hope you didn't desensitize the laydigs.
I really don't know what to tell you and cant offer advice,but I will say, if I was in that position and valued my GF I would get back on the testosterone or go and see a sexual health specialist to see how they could help me.
I just come off one year and ten months continuous use{7 weeks ago} and only used one 5000iu vial of hcg and plus tamoxifen and all is well.
Where did you get that hcg protocol from?

Wow you just came off one year and ten months continuous use???For what bro?? Jasthace your gonna catch hell from this one buddy!! were you just cruisin?? sounds like your fine now...damn bro

 

[Juggernaut1228]

hi my friends,

I was on a sustanon-only cycle for 16 weeks as follows:
weeks 1- 4: 500mg/weekly
weeks 5-16: 250mg/weekly

alongside I have used 25-50mg proviron ED & 0.25mg arimidex ED throughout the cycle, I was always horny during the cycle. I started PCT 3 weeks after my last injection as follows:
week3: 5000 HCG + 20mg nolvadex
week4: 5000 HCG + 20mg nolvadex
week5: 2500 HCG + 20mg nolvadex
week6 & week7 & week8: nolvadex 20mg

now am 10 weeks post cycle & my sex drive is non existant !! I can get erection if I try to physically stimulate myself but otherwise non also I noticed no more morning woods !! I have made test for total testosterone & the result was:

7.2 ng/ml ref. range : (2.6 - 10.0)

other symptoms include lost some weight maybe due to water retention, feel depressed, less motivated to workout, less confident, low self-esteem & lost the general feeling of well-being. Though I should point out that my strength has no reduced....

Please tell me how can I get my sex drive back to normal? should I run more tests for free testosterone, estradiol ,LH , FSH , DHT ,prolactin ??? should I give arimidex or clomid a shot ??? am very stressed & I don't know what to do anymore my sex life is down the gutter... am evading my gf when she ever talks about sex am sorry for the long post

any suggestions my friends?

Oxygen damn man! 3 weeks straight on hcg? I don't know much about it and don't claim to be an expert but all the research I've done on it says not to run more than 14 days peroid no exceptions or you can deal with permanent limp dick. I hope you didn't do that to yourself but I'd definetly go see a doc and let him know all the details of what you've done. Don't worry about him snitching on you he can't; it's the law. Doctor/patient priviledge. Good luck but you might need to invest in some little blue pillseek:

 

[jasthace]

should I run more tests for free testosterone, estradiol ,LH , FSH , DHT ,prolactin ???

I think it is a good idea to get more tests,you need to get a clearer picture of what is gong on if you are to address the problem.Cortisole levels need to be checked also.

Persistently elevated levels of the stress hormone, cortisol, are very detrimental to your health as well as to your body composition. Not only does it increase your appetite and cravings, it causes a loss of muscle mass, libido and bone density and also contributes to depression and memory loss. Stress is not something to be overlooked or accepted as the norm. Consider taking relora or phosphatidylserine which work to reduce cortisol levels.

can you explain how going back on test is going to help

Its not going to help fix your natural hormone imbalance,it's just going to get you laid and keep the girl friend happy.I'm not saying thats what You should do.Just a consideration I would make.

 

[jasthace]

Wow you just came off one year and ten months continuous use???For what bro?? Jasthace your gonna catch hell from this one buddy!! were you just cruisin?? sounds like your fine now...damn bro

Periods of cruising, and blasting with higher doses and orals.
I Was thinking about doing super doses,but decided to come off and achieve homoestatis then go back on ,in hope of better gains at lower doses vs higher doses for same gains.

 

[Oxygen]

Juggernaut1228 ,

you've scared the hell out of me bro like I said I can achieve erection if I try to masturbate & reach orgasm, though the problem with me is the lack of libido, or desire to engage in sex. I can't care any less about having sex. If hcg has already damaged my testicles, shouldn't my testosterone level be low rather than being higher normal?? mine was 7.2 ng/ml & range is 2.6 - 10, maybe its high prolactin or estrogen rebound since I was taking arimdex for such a prolonged period ?

jasthace;

thanks a bunch, you are so helpful pal, yes stress has been an issue with me, like you said I will have another set of tests for my hormonal profile,,should I consider another pct? if yes how it should look like? if all fails then am gonna see a doctor,,

 

[jasthace]

I think your testis are probably fine.

As I said I just come of continuous use for a extended period.
My pct included a lot of otc supplements also,olive leaf extract ,fish,oils caps, 2 x multi vitamin ed,creatine glutamine taurine arginine
Drugs were hcg 5000iu letro{2 weeks} nolva {5 weeks} and insulin shots{anti cort and apparent test booster} morning and post workout

Most of the time{all of the time} I cant be bothered initiating sex with the Mrs{lack of inspiration} but if she wants to she just helps herself and I don't have a problem.,it always works ,don't bother masturbating cant be bothered either,but always wake up with wood during the night?
How old are you Oxygen?

 

[Oxygen]

am 28, during the 10 weeks post cycle, maybe I had 3-4 morning woods, but thats all. The things that were said about leydig cells being permanently desensitized due to high hcg dosages have really stressed me out i feel so down

isn't there anyway to tell if my testicles are functioning well?, say if I take another testosterone test & turned out okay, is that enough ? sorry I must be getting out of my head..

 

[brang]

am 28, during the 10 weeks post cycle, maybe I had 3-4 morning woods, but thats all. The things that were said about leydig cells being permanently desensitized due to high hcg dosages have really stressed me out i feel so down

isn't there anyway to tell if my testicles are functioning well?, say if I take another testosterone test & turned out okay, is that enough ? sorry I must be getting out of my head..

Try not to stress out too much dude, I know that's easy for me to say... but you'll come good again at some point!

Your natural Test levels are ok, right; therefore you Leydig cells are ok and not totally fucked otherwise you wouldn't be producing Testosterone naturally.

I read in the Male health forum on this site that the ratio of Estrogen to Test can cause libido problems when its skewed either way(ie, too much test or too much estrogen). It would be worth reading some of the stickies in that forum - There is also a Dr. that posts there who may be able to help you understand where the problem could be if you provided him with the details of your recent blood work.

regards,
- b

 

[bigbench]

Bro, you screwed your PCT up to hell. THATS why you are like that. You NEVER run that much HCG and NEVER run it DURING your PCT. You use a small amount BEFORE PCT or your just wasting your time. All the Nolva did during those three weeks was prevent any gyno. Your estrogen levels are prob high as HCG at high doses cause an estrogen rebound from hell. Not to mention you only did 3 real weeks of Nolva. I would run another couple of weeks of Nolva and Aromisan and you should be back to normal in no time. The Aromisan will regulate your estrogen levels and the nolva will properly stimulate the LH and FSH

 

[Oxygen]

bigbench;

how much nolvadex should i run ? 20mg, 30mg 40mg? is it true that if I take 20 mg nolvadex ED then I have to split the dose into 2 ? like in the morning & evening ?? can I use arimidex instead of aromasin ? also what is the dose & duration for aromasin ?

 

[bigbench]

No, you want Aromisan as its not quite the same as a reg AI. 15mgs of Aromisan and 20mgs of Nolva (ince a day) for another 3-4 weeks and you should be good to go

 

[Oxygen]

bigbench;

I've just ordered aromasin, hopefully I'll get it soon & do as you said, thanks bro for your supportive attitude, do you think its good idea if I run hormons tests now or wait after I complete 3-4 weeks on aromasin + nolvadex ?

 

[Conciliator]

Bro, you screwed your PCT up to hell. THATS why you are like that. You NEVER run that much HCG and NEVER run it DURING your PCT. You use a small amount BEFORE PCT or your just wasting your time. All the Nolva did during those three weeks was prevent any gyno. Your estrogen levels are prob high as HCG at high doses cause an estrogen rebound from hell. Not to mention you only did 3 real weeks of Nolva. I would run another couple of weeks of Nolva and Aromisan and you should be back to normal in no time. The Aromisan will regulate your estrogen levels and the nolva will properly stimulate the LH and FSH

I wouldn't say to never run hCG during PCT. I recommend running it for the first 2 weeks of PCT whenever the person is running a long ester. That's because hormone levels will remain elevated for a couple of weeks, still causing suppression.

I think it's best to run at a low dose of hCG throughout the entire cycle. Then run Nolva for a good 4-8 weeks for PCT.

 

[Conciliator]

The Aromisan will regulate your estrogen levels and the nolva will properly stimulate the LH and FSH

Also, nolva doesn't stimulate LH, it blocks estrogen at the pituitary, reducing negative feedback, so that GnRH can better stimulate LH.

Also, I think the aromasin is unnecessary. Most experts on PCT (e.g. Llewellyn, Brink, Swale, Scally) recommend that you take only SERMs during PCT, and not an AI. Why don't they recommend an AI? Because 1) estrogen levels are already very low, since there is little testosterone to aromatize, and 2) so you can still get the positive effects of estrgeon on blood lipds, bone, etc. It's not worth his time or money tracking down some aromasin. The major impediment to his recovery is not going to be restoration of LH levels (which can happen pretty quaickly even without anti-estrogens), but restoration of testicular response to LH.

 

[bigbench]

Conciliator I agree with you, but I think we said the same thing about HCG. I ALWAYS say to use it in between the time of your last injection until your PCT (which I usually just mean by Nolva/Clom/etc...) because I consider any thing you take that will supress you (especially during cycle) to just be that... during cycle and not PCT. I hope that makes sense lol. And yes I know that Nolva doesnt DIRECTLY increase LH, but it does so indirectly but instead of just writing out the whole process, I just short hand. It makes it much easier and I like short cuts .
The reason I suggested the Aromisan was for the fact that his blood work showed an above average test level which indicates another factor is causing low libido. Since his HCG protocol was run late and at such a large dose, it is VERY likely that he is suffering from an estrogen rebound. The Aromasin will allow the body to rid itself of any excess estrogen and then with Nolva it will still cause the negative feedback. Without seeing the WHOLE blood tests, we can only speculate on to what can help him... You know how it is bro. But I do love when you throw your 3cents in.. Always good to have another perspective

 

[jasthace]

Most experts on PCT (e.g. Llewellyn, Brink, Swale, Scally) recommend that you take only SERMs during PCT, and not an AI. Why don't they recommend an AI? Because 1) estrogen levels are already very low, since there is little testosterone to aromatize, .

Wouldn't low estrogen levels influence the body to cause aromatistion as soon as testosterone is available,thus making and A1 worth including to elevate test levels higher before aromatisation?