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Zoloft withdraws
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Tank01
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KILLYOU said:
yep, thats normal... ive also heard about sides like achey joints, muscles... like you are comming down with a flu or somthing. tierd, no energy.... shit like that.
later,
acecombact1
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hay bro.......try L-tyrosin, DPLA, with b-12. if possible stretara (sp)
here is some thing that may help you (by ergoman500):
6-10 grams of L-tyrosine is roughly equal to 5-10mg of D-amphetamine when it comes to enhancing the ability to perform well mentally and physically during stressfull situations...
Nutr Neurosci. 2003 Aug;6(4):237-46.
Effects of tyrosine, phentermine, caffeine D-amphetamine, and placebo on cognitive and motor performance deficits during sleep deprivation.
Magill RA, Waters WF, Bray GA, Volaufova J, Smith SR, Lieberman HR, McNevin N, Ryan DH.
Pennington Biomedical Research Center, 6400 Perkins Road, Baton Rouge, LA 70808, USA.
Cognitive and motor performance are critical in many circumstances and are impaired by sleep deprivation. We administered placebo, tyrosine 150 mg/kg, caffeine 300 mg/70 kg, phentermine 37.5 mg and D-amphetamine 20 mg at 15.30 h following overnight sleep deprivation and compare their effects on cognitive and motor performance in healthy young men. Tests of visual scanning, running memory, logical reasoning, mathematical processing, the Stroop task, four-choice serial reaction time, time wall take, pursuit tracking, visual vigilance, Trails ( task and long-term memory were evaluated at standardized intervals before, during and after sleep deprivation and drugs. Performance decrements with sleep deprivation occurred in visual scanning, running memory, logical reasoning, mathematical processing, the Stroop test, the time wall test, tracking and visual vigilance. Interestingly, with sleep deprivation some tests improved and others did not deteriorate. Improvements with medication following sleep deprivation were seen in running memory, logical reasoning, mathematical processing, tracking and visual vigilance. Although less effective than D-amphetamine, tyrosine improved performance on several tests. We conclude that all drugs tested improved at least some aspects of cognitive and motor performance after sleep deprivation. As a naturally occurring amino acid, and thus amenable to nutritional strategies, tyrosine may deserve further testing.
Effects of chronic nicotine and methylphenidate in adults with attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder.
Levin ED, Conners CK, Silva D, Canu W, March J. Department of Psychiatry, Duke University Medical Center, Durham, North Carolina 27710, USA. edlevin@duke.edu
Exp Clin Psychopharmacol 2001 Feb;9(1):83-90
Acute nicotine treatment has been found to reduce symptoms of attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder in adults (E. D. Levin, C. K. Conners, et al., 1996). In this study, chronic nicotine effects were compared with placebo and methylphenidate. Acute and chronic nicotine treatment significantly attenuated the rise in hit reaction time standard error over session blocks on the Conners Continuous Performance Test (C. K. Conners et al., 1996). Acute nicotine significantly reduced severity of clinical symptoms on the Clinical Global Impressions scale (National Institute of Mental Health, 1985). Nicotine caused a significant decrease in self-report of depressive mood as measured by the Profile of Mood States test (D. M. McNair, M. Lorr, & L. F. Droppleman, 1981). This small study (40 participants) provided evidence that nicotine treatment can reduce severity of attentional deficit symptoms and produce improvement on an objective computerized attention task.
Effect of the herbal extract combination Panax quinquefolium and Ginkgo biloba on attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder: a pilot study.
Lyon MR, Cline JC, Totosy de Zepetnek J, Shan JJ, Pang P, Benishin C. Oceanside Functional Medicine Research Institute, Nanaimo, BC.
J Psychiatry Neurosci 2001 May;26(3):221-8
OBJECTIVE: A combination herbal product containing American ginseng extract, Panax quinquefolium, (200 mg) and Ginkgo biloba extract (50 mg) (AD-FX; CV Technologies, Edmonton, Alta.) was tested for its ability to improve the symptoms of attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).
DESIGN: Open study.
PATIENTS: 36 children ranging in age from 3 to 17 years who fit the diagnostic criteria for ADHD.
INTERVENTIONS: AD-FX capsules were taken twice a day on an empty stomach for 4 weeks. Patients were instructed not to change any other medications during the study.
OUTCOME MEASURES: At the beginning of the study, after 2 weeks, and then at the end of the 4-week trial, parents completed the Conners' Parent Rating Scale--revised, long version, a questionnaire that assesses a broad range of problem behaviours (and was used as an indication of ADHD symptom severity).
RESULTS: After 2 weeks of treatment, the proportion of the subjects exhibiting improvement (i.e., decrease in T-score of at least 5 points) ranged from 31% for the anxious-shy attribute to 67% for the psychosomatic attribute. After 4 weeks of treatment, the proportion of subjects exhibiting improvement ranged from 44% for the social problems attribute to 74% for the Conners' ADHD index and the DSM-IV hyperactive-impulsive attribute. Five (14%) of 36 subjects reported adverse events, only 2 of which were considered related to the study medication.
CONCLUSIONS: These preliminary results suggest AD-FX treatment may improve symptoms of ADHD and should encourage further research on the use of ginseng and Ginkgo biloba extracts to treat ADHD symptoms.
I also used DLPA/L-Tyrosine along with vinpocetine which allowed me to lower my daily dose of Adderall from 80mg down to 10mg/day.
I alternated between DLPA 1.5-2 grams/day, and L-tyrosine at 4-6 grams/day (ingested an hour away from any other food for better absorbtion). Vinpocetine I take/took with meals at 5mg - 3 times/day for a total of 15mg/day.
Regarding decreasing my dose/day of meds, I also used NADH (Enada) at 5mg - 4 times/day with EXCELLENT results. I was able to decrease my amphetamine intake/day by over 50% in ~3 months...
(Its not easy, but worth it pro...)
here is some thing that may help you (by ergoman500):
6-10 grams of L-tyrosine is roughly equal to 5-10mg of D-amphetamine when it comes to enhancing the ability to perform well mentally and physically during stressfull situations...
Nutr Neurosci. 2003 Aug;6(4):237-46.
Effects of tyrosine, phentermine, caffeine D-amphetamine, and placebo on cognitive and motor performance deficits during sleep deprivation.
Magill RA, Waters WF, Bray GA, Volaufova J, Smith SR, Lieberman HR, McNevin N, Ryan DH.
Pennington Biomedical Research Center, 6400 Perkins Road, Baton Rouge, LA 70808, USA.
Cognitive and motor performance are critical in many circumstances and are impaired by sleep deprivation. We administered placebo, tyrosine 150 mg/kg, caffeine 300 mg/70 kg, phentermine 37.5 mg and D-amphetamine 20 mg at 15.30 h following overnight sleep deprivation and compare their effects on cognitive and motor performance in healthy young men. Tests of visual scanning, running memory, logical reasoning, mathematical processing, the Stroop task, four-choice serial reaction time, time wall take, pursuit tracking, visual vigilance, Trails ( task and long-term memory were evaluated at standardized intervals before, during and after sleep deprivation and drugs. Performance decrements with sleep deprivation occurred in visual scanning, running memory, logical reasoning, mathematical processing, the Stroop test, the time wall test, tracking and visual vigilance. Interestingly, with sleep deprivation some tests improved and others did not deteriorate. Improvements with medication following sleep deprivation were seen in running memory, logical reasoning, mathematical processing, tracking and visual vigilance. Although less effective than D-amphetamine, tyrosine improved performance on several tests. We conclude that all drugs tested improved at least some aspects of cognitive and motor performance after sleep deprivation. As a naturally occurring amino acid, and thus amenable to nutritional strategies, tyrosine may deserve further testing.
Effects of chronic nicotine and methylphenidate in adults with attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder.
Levin ED, Conners CK, Silva D, Canu W, March J. Department of Psychiatry, Duke University Medical Center, Durham, North Carolina 27710, USA. edlevin@duke.edu
Exp Clin Psychopharmacol 2001 Feb;9(1):83-90
Acute nicotine treatment has been found to reduce symptoms of attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder in adults (E. D. Levin, C. K. Conners, et al., 1996). In this study, chronic nicotine effects were compared with placebo and methylphenidate. Acute and chronic nicotine treatment significantly attenuated the rise in hit reaction time standard error over session blocks on the Conners Continuous Performance Test (C. K. Conners et al., 1996). Acute nicotine significantly reduced severity of clinical symptoms on the Clinical Global Impressions scale (National Institute of Mental Health, 1985). Nicotine caused a significant decrease in self-report of depressive mood as measured by the Profile of Mood States test (D. M. McNair, M. Lorr, & L. F. Droppleman, 1981). This small study (40 participants) provided evidence that nicotine treatment can reduce severity of attentional deficit symptoms and produce improvement on an objective computerized attention task.
Effect of the herbal extract combination Panax quinquefolium and Ginkgo biloba on attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder: a pilot study.
Lyon MR, Cline JC, Totosy de Zepetnek J, Shan JJ, Pang P, Benishin C. Oceanside Functional Medicine Research Institute, Nanaimo, BC.
J Psychiatry Neurosci 2001 May;26(3):221-8
OBJECTIVE: A combination herbal product containing American ginseng extract, Panax quinquefolium, (200 mg) and Ginkgo biloba extract (50 mg) (AD-FX; CV Technologies, Edmonton, Alta.) was tested for its ability to improve the symptoms of attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).
DESIGN: Open study.
PATIENTS: 36 children ranging in age from 3 to 17 years who fit the diagnostic criteria for ADHD.
INTERVENTIONS: AD-FX capsules were taken twice a day on an empty stomach for 4 weeks. Patients were instructed not to change any other medications during the study.
OUTCOME MEASURES: At the beginning of the study, after 2 weeks, and then at the end of the 4-week trial, parents completed the Conners' Parent Rating Scale--revised, long version, a questionnaire that assesses a broad range of problem behaviours (and was used as an indication of ADHD symptom severity).
RESULTS: After 2 weeks of treatment, the proportion of the subjects exhibiting improvement (i.e., decrease in T-score of at least 5 points) ranged from 31% for the anxious-shy attribute to 67% for the psychosomatic attribute. After 4 weeks of treatment, the proportion of subjects exhibiting improvement ranged from 44% for the social problems attribute to 74% for the Conners' ADHD index and the DSM-IV hyperactive-impulsive attribute. Five (14%) of 36 subjects reported adverse events, only 2 of which were considered related to the study medication.
CONCLUSIONS: These preliminary results suggest AD-FX treatment may improve symptoms of ADHD and should encourage further research on the use of ginseng and Ginkgo biloba extracts to treat ADHD symptoms.
I also used DLPA/L-Tyrosine along with vinpocetine which allowed me to lower my daily dose of Adderall from 80mg down to 10mg/day.
I alternated between DLPA 1.5-2 grams/day, and L-tyrosine at 4-6 grams/day (ingested an hour away from any other food for better absorbtion). Vinpocetine I take/took with meals at 5mg - 3 times/day for a total of 15mg/day.
Regarding decreasing my dose/day of meds, I also used NADH (Enada) at 5mg - 4 times/day with EXCELLENT results. I was able to decrease my amphetamine intake/day by over 50% in ~3 months...
(Its not easy, but worth it pro...)
I've been on Zoloft for several years (10) and I get those withdraws after a couple of days-between refills-and feel like shit. I am a little worried about coming off it, but I think i'll be on it for life. Talk to your doctor about the sides, and they may be able to help, I also think that they advise tapering down. now that i think about it there have been cases were peoples behavior becomes very irratic (sp) if they aren't monitored or if the cancelation of the drug is not done properly.
