First cycle ever. Testosterone Enanthate (Test-E) 600mg/2ml pr.week for 12 weeks.

[GoingAesthetic]

injection day 14
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Yesterday i did my 14. injection. I haven't been thinking doing injection reports the last couple of times to be necessary which is why i haven't been doing any.
It all goes fine, i haven't increased in weight for some time now even tho i have eaten 5-6 meals a day pretty much since cycle start, I can see my bodysize is increasing especially after workout i look humongous in my own opinion ofc. I still get extremely sweaty and tired doing workouts, after the first few sets in the first exercises of my workout i start sweating like a pig even tho i'm using shorts and nike exercise tee's for my workout that let's my body breath so i don't get so hot.
I haven't noticed any behaviorel changes other then my confidence, because people around have started to notice the body changes. I love when people say: wow you're gotten huge bro are you on steroids. And i'll just reply: thanks but there's still a long way and hey thanks for the compliment haha. love that sentence because i'm not saying i'm not on roids . when i hit my 8. cycle week i will probably post a picture if i remember it and in the end of my cycle i'll do a before/after. I can't wait till i'm done with this cycle i fell like it has helped me alot but ofc sometimes i also think well not much has happened but what is it you say. "you are you own biggest critic" so yeah can't wait to see the final result. I am thinking about changing my diet in the last month of my cycle to something like a vegan diet i''ve heard it should be great for fat burn and muscle growth. any one who has any experiences with it ? also i saw this post on mucle and fitness today. i know i know M&F is total bullshit, but this one doesn't sound that bad? what is you thoughts ?

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[GoingAesthetic]

I have a question for all of you, should i start using my creatine and pre workout again? some say it's not necessary some say it is. I know the pre workout isen't really importent even tho it could give me an extra boost, i eat a solid breakfast each morning with lots carbs. What's you'r opinion? Do you use them and if so, why ?

 

[goodguygreg]

I personally don't use creatine on cycle because i'm retaining water already from the aas. Too much bloat. I know that some supplement with creatine in pct

 

[Voltrader]

You shouldn't need them IMO.

 

[GoingAesthetic]

I personally don't use creatine on cycle because i'm retaining water already from the aas. Too much bloat. I know that some supplement with creatine in pct

Hm okay and thanks for the answer, i can see that, i'll wait til PCT then. I don't fell like i got much water weight at all, but i do have a high metabolism. But i really don't know, i only get bloated when i do a cheat day:drooling:.

You shouldn't need them IMO.

Okay thanks for the answer!

 

[Voltrader]

If you are eating the right things you should already have the all the creatine you need plus the AAS is shuffling more water to your muscles then creatine will anyways.

As far as the pre you can take them but why put that stuff in your body drink a cup of coffee.

 

[topunderdog]

If you are eating the right things you should already have the all the creatine you need plus the AAS is shuffling more water to your muscles then creatine will anyways.

As far as the pre you can take them but why put that stuff in your body drink a cup of coffee.

Coffee and b12 is my choice. I have never liked those pre-workouts, I'm naturally amped so it actually gives me way too much energy(yes, thats a thing). I have always heard (I have never done any research) that pre workouts are bad for gains.

 

[ironwill1951]

a couple cups of black coffee on the way to the gym does the job for me .

 

[hotdog23]

Are you still on cycle? U need to run that HCG while on... I'll go ahead and tell u I've never done it, but being as your pre-med this should go down easy. Hcg mimicks LH, LH tells testicles to produce test. By running LH @250-500iu e3d or 2x week your testicles will not "shutdown", so when u come into PCT and discontinue hcg ur testes will b active and responsive to your bodies actual LH/FSH. Smooth transition. All u have to do is get hypothalamus and pituitary up and runnin with SERM therapy... I will state that I have not personally used this protocol. Just my understanding. Good luck

 

[Guns_Muscle_G35]

They make bloodwork a little easier here in the states, you can spend about $60 and have the results emailed to you in a few days.

Next time you get a chance, pick up some 3.5cm needles. these will make sure you get all the way in the glute. Use the 2.5's on quads or delts.

I got mine in the military howd you get yours?

 

[raysugar1234]

I have a question for all of you, should i start using my creatine and pre workout again? some say it's not necessary some say it is. I know the pre workout isen't really importent even tho it could give me an extra boost, i eat a solid breakfast each morning with lots carbs. What's you'r opinion? Do you use them and if so, why ?

Taking Creatine during a cycle can really help to increase your gains... Also if you take Creapure you will have minimal water retention. Increasing your caloric intake and your Creatine intake can really help to maximize your gains when on cycle.. I always take Creapure when I'm on a cycle, I only take Creatine during a cycle I don't take it when I'm not on.

 

[raysugar1234]

I am sold on the idea of taking creatine when on a cycle. I have done some research on it and IMO the BEST time to take creatine is when you are on a cycle.. Here is some info on why creatine can help to increase your gains when on..

***8220;Michael Gundill(a.k.a. Dharkam)....Although creatine does have testosterone-like effects,it doesn't act as a steroid hormone.Instead,it's a mediator of some of the androgens' anabolic effects.In fact,steroid users get far more out of their cycles if they take in massive amounts of creatine along with the drugs.Androgens are among the hormones that can force the entry of creatine into muscle cells.While there's a clear relationship between muscle strength gains and increases in muscle creatine stores,unfortunately,the relationship is not as obvious when it comes to increases in muscle mass.Animal-based studies have shown that the muscles of untrained rats take up as much creatine as the muscles of trained rats,but the ANABOLIC effects of creatine are only obvious in trained rats.Therefore,training increases the muscles sensitivity to the anabolic actions of creatine.(Although it's not related to this article,the study also demonstrated that the anabolic effects of creatine are DIRECT,and not mediated by waterretention.In fact,in the 1970s American and Russian studies pointed out a DIRECT anabolic effect of creatine on muscle cells.)testosterone increases the muscles'sensitivity to the anabolic properties of creatine in addition to enhancing the creatine buildup in muscle fibers.It's also obvious that part of the strength gains people experience while on steroids are mediated by an increase in muscle creatine stores.An interesting discovery A/S users have made is that they should dramatically increase their creatine intake during a cycle to boost the potency of the steroids.Thanks to creatine,people can build more muscle mass with fewer drugs.Anecdotal evidence from A/S users points out that it takes at least 10-15 grams(maintenance)of creatine a day to visibly enhance the the anabolic potency of a steroid stack.There are probably good reasons for the increased creatine requirement when androgen levels are high.As mentioned above,steroids increase the muscle uptake of creatine,and if the muscles are ready to accept more creatine,why not give it to them?I also think that even though steroids enhance creatine synthesis,they may increase creatine degradation as well-so more creatine is used up every day.That could be due to an increase in muscle creatine turnover and also the fact that an elevated muscle Protein synthesis rate will likely consume creatine at a faster rate.Other reasons for a higher creatine requirement may be indirect.Because the muscles of drug users are stronger and receive more training,they may waste greater amounts of creatine during training.Once inside the muscle,creatine provides not only an anabolic effect,but also a rapidly mobilized source of fuel.Muscle Protein synthesis is a process that wastes great amounts of energy.Anabolism is an ATP-dependent process,which means that it's essential for Protein synthesis.If the cellular level of ATP is reduced even a little,IT STOPS ANABOLISM.So even if you can increase the testosterone content of your muscles,nothing will happen if your ATP level is low.Creatine supports anabolism by providing energy to the muscle"

 

[raysugar1234]

If you are eating the right things you should already have the all the creatine you need plus the AAS is shuffling more water to your muscles then creatine will anyways.

As far as the pre you can take them but why put that stuff in your body drink a cup of coffee.

I agree with this, I personally do not care for PWO supplements they are Definitely unnecessary. Mega doses of caffeine and stims are just not needed, especially when on a cycle. There is no reason at all you need it to get motivated, at most a few cups of black coffee or maybe some caffeine pills is all you should need.

 

[Drea'An]

Thanks for these posts. I'm in the midst of doing a Google Search for using Test E and creatine and came across Meso-RX Forum. Looks like creatine is good to go.
I'll take one large tablespoon with apple juice prior to the gym, one tablespoon mixed with apple juice in my canteen, and one tablespoon mixed in distilled water when I return home.

The tablespoons I use are pretty large. They can hold 2gm. of powder whatever easily.
I'm going to go with this protocol for a year beginning August 1, 2015 at 9:30AM Saturday on the gym floor.