My ridiculous cutting stack :)

[Undertow333]

Ok, I'm starting on like day 9. No night sweats, no tren cough. Getting a little worried cause the 4 btls of tren a he sent me had no labels on them. I def getting a great pump while working out. Starting to think maybe it's tren e or npp or maybe even mast p. the last time I used his tren a I could taste it immediately.

It seems to me the old school tren we used to make from Fina had worse sides. And that taste was unforgetable. I would just give it some more time. I have stopped my tren and the real magic was just begining physique wise. I am hoping that it was the capsuled t-3 causing my bp issues and that I can still ad the tren back in.

 

[Manski]

It seems to me the old school tren we used to make from Fina had worse sides. And that taste was unforgetable. I would just give it some more time. I have stopped my tren and the real magic was just begining physique wise. I am hoping that it was the capsuled t-3 causing my bp issues and that I can still ad the tren back in.

I hear you. The insomnia is killing me. Did get a little night sweat last night and a weird dream. Both good signs.

 

[Undertow333]

I hear you. The insomnia is killing me. Did get a little night sweat last night and a weird dream. Both good signs.

Ya everybody reacts differently and in a different time frame to compounds. My buddy is taking the same tren that I made and he has no sides. He is also 25 though and tren never bothered me when I was younger.

 

[Undertow333]

Holding some water from bp issues but I have it under control now. Hopefully water weight is soon to go.

 

[Manski]

Ya everybody reacts differently and in a different time frame to compounds. My buddy is taking the same tren that I made and he has no sides. He is also 25 though and tren never bothered me when I was younger.

Very true. Another bad dream last night and hard time sleeping. I'm in my lower 40s, I want the night sweats ! Lol

 

[Undertow333]

So I have upped my test prop to 700mg a week to compensate for the loss of tren. I am going to try and ad the tren back in Monday and see what happens. I have a hunch that the capsulated t-3 caps are WAY overdosed or something else all together. It would be fairly difficult to make caps in micrograms and stay at a correct dosage without an industrial capping machine. Anyway, I am thinking of leaving my prop at 700mg even with the tren. I know high dose test seems to be out of vogue on many boards but I freakin love it. Makes me feel like a god.

 

[Undertow333]

mY wife is going to take my bp here shortly and if it is still normal, I am going to ad the tren back in at 75mg eod. If my bp goes up durring the week, I will drop it and order some npp instead. I was going wait to start clen till my pct but I may start it next week since I dropped the t-3. I have some pharm grade t-3 on the way and its the same brand I used last time. My cardio has also improved since dropping the tren. I have been blasting the bags in my garage every morning and my endurance is way up.

 

[Undertow333]

I took the 75 mg tren shot last nite and got maybe two hours of sleep. I soaked the sheets like a drunkin hobo and my wife kicked me out of bed. I guess having my prop at 700mg made a huge difference in sides. I will keep at it through the week and assess from there. I may be dropping test back down. Man this cycle is all over the place for me. I'm sure loving the results but I may have to keep it simple after this cycle.

 

[alphastrength50]

nice brotha i personally love high test high tren. i guess we are all different!

 

[Undertow333]

Jesus, the changes and improvements in my body are amazing at this point. Rained out at work for a few days so I will be posting new pics this weekend.

 

[Undertow333]

Not the best of pics and this is cold before a 5am Saturday morning leg day. My bodyfat keeps dropping and my weight has stabalized around 240 to 242. I'm pretty happy about that as I thought I might be in the 220's or so at this point. My cardio has been shit and I had to go to the Dr for a three week cough. Her best guess without a chest xrays was asthmatic bronchitis! I didn't inform her about the tren Hopefully this inhaler helps and I can back on the cardio train. In other news, I banged out some 600 lb squats the other day and now I have a little hemrhoid problem.....I'm getting too old for this shit[)][)][)]

 

[corageon]

Not the best of pics and this is cold before a 5am Saturday morning leg day. My bodyfat keeps dropping and my weight has stabalized around 240 to 242. I'm pretty happy about that as I thought I might be in the 220's or so at this point. My cardio has been shit and I had to go to the Dr for a three week cough. Her best guess without a chest xrays was asthmatic bronchitis! I didn't inform her about the tren Hopefully this inhaler helps and I can back on the cardio train. In other news, I banged out some 600 lb squats the other day and now I have a little hemrhoid problem.....I'm getting too old for this shit[)][)][)]

Nice job man! Keep it up.

 

[Undertow333]

I have been training around a slight back injury and it sucks. T-bar rows with six plates got me and I tweaked my lower spine a bit. I will get some post workout pics up on Monday or Tuesday. The pumps are crazy and it really shows post workout.

 

[ironwarrior]

hey undertow, have enjoyed reading the log, are you still running that var, did you you decide on whether it was truly var or dbol?

 

[tendency]

lemme do a little quick math here:

so you've been cutting for 8 weeks give or take, correct?

starting weight: 256. current weight: 240.

if i recall correctly you're eating ~2500 calories per day which, given your weight im going to guess puts you in about 1000/cal deficit per day or so (probably larger than this on the days you lift). is this close? that gets us to about 7000cal per week = 2lbs/week fat loss (give/take)

8 weeks (total length cut) * 2 lbs/week = 16 lbs fat loss.

starting weight 256 - 240 = 16. my point being: how can we determine if your fat loss is from the stack you're running or simply the result of the caloric deficit you're in combined with strength training to maintain your muscle mass?

is the cutting stack really necessary (given your starting body fat %)? food for thought..

 

[AnabolicMindset]

Just my 2 cents on your thread. Check this out. I'm a competitor. I think next time before you decide to run a stack you should evaluate a few things. Your diet should be in check first and foremost. To get stupid shredded you will certainly need to alter your diet around every 2 weeks to keep loosing body fat. Secondly thats way to many compounds to be running at one time. You stack should be more like this if you cut for say 16 weeks.

Week 16- 750mg Test E, 400mg EQ, Proviron 50mg
Week 15- 750mg Test E, 400mg EQ, Proviron 50mg
Week 14- 750mg Test E, 400mg EQ, Proviron 50mg, GHRP2 & CJC (no dac) 3 Times Daily (Once 30 min before you eat, Post training (when your blood sugar is lowest), Before Bed)
Week 13- 750mg Test E, 400mg EQ, Proviron 50mg, GHRP2 & CJC (no dac)
Week 12- 750mg Test E, 400mg EQ, Proviron 50mg, GHRP2 & CJC (no dac), 300mg Tren Ace
Week 11- 750mg Test E, 400mg EQ, Proviron 50mg, GHRP2 & CJC (no dac), 300mg Tren Ace
Week 10- 750mg Test E, 400mg EQ, Proviron 50mg, GHRP2 & CJC (no dac), 300mg Tren Ace
Week 9- 750mg Test E, 400mg EQ, Proviron 50mg, GHRP2 & CJC (no dac), 300mg Tren Ace
Week 8- 750mg Test E, 400mg EQ, Proviron 50mg, GHRP2 & CJC (no dac), 300mg Tren Ace, 50mg Anavar
Week 7- 750mg Test E, Proviron 50mg, GHRP2 & CJC (no dac), 300mg Tren Ace, 50mg Anavar
Week 6- 750mg Test E, Proviron 50mg, GHRP2 & CJC (no dac), 300mg Tren Ace, 50mg Anavar, 50mg Stanozol, 300mg Masteron E
Week 5- 750mg Test E, 400mg EQ, Proviron 50mg, GHRP2 & CJC (no dac), 300mg Tren Ace, 50mg Anavar, 50mg Stanozol, 300mg Masteron E
Week 4- 750mg Test E, Proviron 50mg, GHRP2 & CJC (no dac), 300mg Tren Ace, 50mg Anavar, 50mg Stanozol, 300mg Masteron E
Week 3- 750mg Test E, Proviron 50mg, GHRP2 & CJC (no dac), 300mg Tren Ace, 50mg Anavar, 50mg Stanozol, 300mg Masteron E, Primo 300mg
Week 2- 750mg Test E, Proviron 100mg, GHRP2 & CJC (no dac), 300mg Tren Ace, 100mg Anavar, 50mg Stanozol, 300mg Masteron E, Primo 300mg
Week 1- 750mg Test E, Proviron 100mg, 700mg Tren Ace, 100mg Anavar, 50mg Stanozol, 300mg Masteron E, Primo 300mg

By the way instead of wasting your money buying rips (which is cheap ass generic growth) buy the peptides GHRP2 & CJC (no dac) and take them 3 times daily. Its the equivalent to 5iu of generic growth at about 500% less of the cost of generic growth. Also Cardio should be added in at Week 14 at 4 times a week for 30 minutes on Stairmill. By Week 8 you should be doing fasted cardio for 45 minutes in the morning and 30 minutes post workout for the duration of the cycle for the ultimate shred. By the way using masteron is basically pointless unless your around 7-8 percent body fat you will see zero effect from that compound. If you want to see pictures of me just let me know.

Just my two cents. Also have anti-e on hand.

 

[AnabolicMindset]

lemme do a little quick math here:

so you've been cutting for 8 weeks give or take, correct?

starting weight: 256. current weight: 240.

if i recall correctly you're eating ~2500 calories per day which, given your weight im going to guess puts you in about 1000/cal deficit per day or so (probably larger than this on the days you lift). is this close? that gets us to about 7000cal per week = 2lbs/week fat loss (give/take)

8 weeks (total length cut) * 2 lbs/week = 16 lbs fat loss.

starting weight 256 - 240 = 16. my point being: how can we determine if your fat loss is from the stack you're running or simply the result of the caloric deficit you're in combined with strength training to maintain your muscle mass?

is the cutting stack really necessary (given your starting body fat %)? food for thought..

Dude you can lose 16 pounds of fat with zero drugs in about 25 days if your diet and cardio is on point. The drug use does nothing great unless your diet and training is on point. My advice is unless your a competitor or a fitness model there is absolutely no reason you should be using drugs to try to look good on the beach for the summer or something. Just diet hard, train hard, and have your cardio on point. The results will come and you can use minimal drugs if you so choose to go down that road.

 

[Undertow333]

hey undertow, have enjoyed reading the log, are you still running that var, did you you decide on whether it was truly var or dbol?

I'm sure enough that it is legit var that I think the wife is going to take some.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Dude you can lose 16 pounds of fat with zero drugs in about 25 days if your diet and cardio is on point. The drug use does nothing great unless your diet and training is on point. My advice is unless your a competitor or a fitness model there is absolutely no reason you should be using drugs to try to look good on the beach for the summer or something. Just diet hard, train hard, and have your cardio on point. The results will come and you can use minimal drugs if you so choose to go down that road.

Though I agree with part of your statement this is a pro-AAS forum my man!! What the fuck... 95% of is here don't compete.. If you know what you're doing you're really not putting yourself in danger using AAS..

So just because I want to look and feel good in my daily life and don't want to hop around on a stage in a speedo with men staring at me I shouldn't take AAS?

I've followed your posts and it's nice to have you around but please knock it off with this condescending bullshit..

 

[Undertow333]

lemme do a little quick math here:

so you've been cutting for 8 weeks give or take, correct?

starting weight: 256. current weight: 240.

if i recall correctly you're eating ~2500 calories per day which, given your weight im going to guess puts you in about 1000/cal deficit per day or so (probably larger than this on the days you lift). is this close? that gets us to about 7000cal per week = 2lbs/week fat loss (give/take)

8 weeks (total length cut) * 2 lbs/week = 16 lbs fat loss.

starting weight 256 - 240 = 16. my point being: how can we determine if your fat loss is from the stack you're running or simply the result of the caloric deficit you're in combined with strength training to maintain your muscle mass?

is the cutting stack really necessary (given your starting body fat %)? food for thought..

I actually upped my colories to 3000k and then another bump to 3300 to avoid muscle loss. I am not trying to get super shredded, just single digits. I am looking at the first half of this as more of a recomp. I will lower calories a bit next week and evaluate. So far, I think I made the right choice since I would most likey be in the 220's had I stayed the coarse. Along with that 220, I would be smaller and weaker version of myself. I am pleasantly suprised to be dropping bodyfat the way I have while gaining strength and muscle.