"New" war toy?

the only one I see mentioned is Israel. hell Russia and China get our damn tax dollars! for what reason? need to clean out all the politicians! they should all be in jail from the top down. including the justice system too.
I agree HF. But Israel, Palestine and the Middle East is where everyone is dying. At least right now. And probably a lot more in the future. Something has to be done. What should be done is the question. I haven't a clue to a solution, and I don't think there is one.
BTW, here is a quote, and I hope to God it's not the same now.

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
-- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.
 
I read the first letter and could not get far in the 2nd letter to be honest. Saudi Arabia and the other Muslim countries have kept the conflict of the so called Palestinians going this whole time. their is no such race as this so called Palestinians. the Roman's called that area Palestine to piss off the Jews. for up rising all the damn time, so the Romans destroyed the Jews Temple and renamed the area Palestine, cause they could at the time. they only become Palestinians to keep the conflict going. I will not fall prey to the Arabs of the area being called Palestinians. Israel was not ever Palestine. if you believe in the Bible or not really doesn't matter, cause what is coming is still coming. the Temple mount will be destroyed one day and than the Jewish Temple will be rebuilt. on top of the old Temples. than we all know what happens after that.
 
Considering what's happening today in the Middle East and Palestine this is a very interesting prophetic type letter from an Arab ruler. It's not some ones opinion colored by recent events.


Neither is what I posted below.



With very minor exceptions, Jews have lived for many centuries in the Middle East, in complete peace and friendliness with their Arab neighbours.

Until the Zionist invasion of Palestine began, these Jews received the most generous treatment—far, far better than in Christian Europe. Now, unhappily, for the first time in history, these Jews are beginning to feel the effects of Arab resistance to the Zionist assault.



Islam and the Jews: The Status of Jews and Christians in Muslim Lands, 1772 CE

The Answer Of The Shaikh Hasan Al Kafrawi, The Shafiite [Professor of canon law in Cairo, d. 1788 CE]


http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/jewish/1772-jewsinislam.asp

Praise be to God, the guide of the right way!

The decision given by the Shaikh ar-Ramli [a great Cairo legal authority, d. 1596], by the Shaikh al-Islam [the Muslim religious authority in Constantinople], and by the learned scholars whose decrees can hardly be written down here, may be worded as follows: "It is forbidden to the tolerated peoples living on Muslim territory to clothe themselves in the same manner as the chiefs, the scholars, and the nobles. They should not be allowed to clothe themselves in costly fabrics which have been cut in the modes which are forbidden to them, in order that they may not offend the sensibilities of poor Muslims and in order that their faith in their religion should not be shaken by this. [Poor Muslims may regret their faith when they see how well-dressed the Christians and Jews are.]

"They should not be permitted to employ mounts like the Muslims. They must use neither saddles, nor iron-stirrups, in order to be distinguished from the true believers. They must under no circumstance ride horses because of the noble character of this animal. The Most-High has said [Qu'ran 8:62]: 'And through powerful squadrons [of horses] through which you will strike terror into your own and God's enemies.' [A verse of the Qu'ran makes a good support for a law. Verses may even be torn out of their context.]

"They should not be permitted to take Muslims into their service because God has glorified the people of Islam. He has given them His aid and has given them a guarantee by these words [Qu'ran 3:140]: 'Surely God will never give preeminence to unbelievers over the true believers.' Now this is just what is happening today, for their servants are Muslims taken from among men of a mature age or from those who are still young. This is one of the greatest scandals to which the guardians of authority must put an end. It is wrong to greet them even with a simple 'how-do-you-do'; to serve them, even for wages, at the baths or in what relates to their riding animals; and it is forbidden to accept anything from their hand, for that would be an act of debasement by the faithful. They are forbidden while going through the streets to ape the manners of the Muslims, and still less those of the cities of the religion. They shall only walk single-file, and in narrow lanes they must withdraw even more into the most cramped part of the road.

"One may read that which follows in Bukhari and Muslim [religious authorities of the ninth century]: 'Jews and Christians shall never begin a greeting; if you encounter one of them on the road, push him into the narrowest and tightest spot.' The absence of every mark of consideration toward them is obligatory for us; we ought never to give them the place of honor in an assembly when a Muslim is present. This is in order to humble them and to honor the true believers. They should under no circumstances acquire Muslim slaves, white or black. Therefore they should get rid of the slaves which they now have for the), have no right to own them. If one of their slaves who was formerly an infidel, becomes a Muslim, he shall be removed from them, and his master, willingly or unwillingly, shall be compelled to sell him and to accept the price for him.

"It is no longer permitted them to put themselves, with respect to their houses, on an equal footing with the dwellings of their Muslim neighbors, and still less to build their buildings higher. If they are of the same height, or higher, it is incumbent upon us to pull them down to a size a little less than the houses of the true believers. This conforms to the word of the Prophet: 'Islam rules, and nothing shall raise itself above it.' This is also in order to hinder them from knowing where our weak spots are and in order to make a distinction between their dwellings and ours.

"They are forbidden to build new churches, chapels, or monasteries in any Muslim land. We should destroy everything that is of new construction in every place, such as Cairo, for instance, founded under the Muslim religion, for it is said in a tradition of Umar: 'No church shall be built in Islam.' They shall no longer be permitted to repair the parts of these [post-Islamic] buildings which are in ruins. However, the old buildings [of pre-Islamic times] which are found in a land whose population had embraced Islam need not be destroyed. They shall not, however, be enlarged by means of repairs or otherwise. In case the tolerated peoples [Jews, Christians, etc.] act contrary to these provisions we will be obliged to destroy everything that has been added to the original size of the building. [Only pre-Islamic churches and synagogues may be repaired; new ones must be torn down.]

"Entrance into Muslim territory by infidels of foreign lands under the pact guaranteeing protection to the tolerated peoples is permitted only for the time necessary to settle their business affairs. If they exceed this period, their safe-conduct having expired, they will be put to death or be subject to the payment of the head-tax.[Jews and Christians of foreign lands must pay a special head-tax if they wish to remain permanently in Muslim lands.] As to those with whom the ruler may have signed treaties, and with whom he, for whatever motive, may have granted a temporary truce, they form only the smallest fraction. But they, too, must not pass the fixed limit of more than four months [without paying the tax], particularly if this occurs at a time when Islam is prosperous and flourishing. The Most-High has said [Qu'ran 2: 2341: 'They should wait four months,' and he has again said [47:37]: 'Do not show any cowardice, and do not at all invite the unbelievers to a peace when you have the upper-hand and may God be with you.'

"Their men and women are ordered to wear garments different from those of the Muslims in order to be distinguished from them. They are forbidden to exhibit anything which might scandalize us, as, for instance, their fermented liquors, and if they do not conceal these from us, we are obliged to pour them into the street."

This which precedes is only a part of that which has been written on this subject, and if we should wish to mention it all here it would take too long. But this brief recital will be sufficient for those men whose intelligence God has enlightened, to whom he has given the breath of life, and whose inner thoughts he has sanctified. Now let us beg the Sovereign Master of the world to extend His justice over humanity universally, in order that they may direct all their efforts toward raising with firmness the banner of the religion.

In a tradition of the sincere and faithful [Calif Abu Bekr, 632-634] it is likewise said: "The abolition of a sacrilegious innovation is preferable to the permanent operation of the law." In another tradition it is also said: "One hour of justice is worth more than sixty years of ritual." The verses of the Qu'ran and the traditions are very numerous on this subject, and they are known by all the faithful. God has cursed the former nations because they have not condemned scandalous things; and He has said [Qu'ran 5:82]: "They [the children of Israel] seek not at all to turn one another from the bad actions which they have committed. 0 how detestable were their actions. But He has punished these men because of their obstinate conduct." The Most-High has also said [Qu'ran 9: 1 131: "Those who bid what is right and forbid what is wrong, who observe the divine precepts, will be rewarded. Announce these glad tidings to the Muslims."

May the Most High God admit us to the number of this company and may He lead us in the paths of His favor. Certainly God is powerful in everything; He is full of mercy to His servants; He sees all.

Written by the humble Hasan al Kafrawi, the Shafiite. [1772 CE]

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In the middle of the 19th century, J. J. Benjamin wrote about the life of Persian Jews:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_under_Muslim_rule

"…they are obliged to live in a separate part of town…; for they are considered as unclean creatures… Under the pretext of their being unclean, they are treated with the greatest severity and should they enter a street, inhabited by Mussulmans, they are pelted by the boys and mobs with stones and dirt… For the same reason, they are prohibited to go out when it rains; for it is said the rain would wash dirt off them, which would sully the feet of the Mussulmans… If a Jew is recognized as such in the streets, he is subjected to the greatest insults. The passers-by spit in his face, and sometimes beat him… unmercifully… If a Jew enters a shop for anything, he is forbidden to inspect the goods… Should his hand incautiously touch the goods, he must take them at any price the seller chooses to ask for them... Sometimes the Persians intrude into the dwellings of the Jews and take possession of whatever please them. Should the owner make the least opposition in defense of his property, he incurs the danger of atoning for it with his life... If... a Jew shows himself in the street during the three days of the Katel (Muharram)…, he is sure to be murdered."[32]
 
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I agree HF. But Israel, Palestine and the Middle East is where everyone is dying. At least right now. And probably a lot more in the future. Something has to be done. What should be done is the question. I haven't a clue to a solution, and I don't think there is one.
BTW, here is a quote, and I hope to God it's not the same now.

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
-- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.


Not only is it NOT the same now, it's NOT true. Just like it WASN"T true when it first came out. The quote was fabricated by the Hamas.
 
I read the first letter and could not get far in the 2nd letter to be honest. Saudi Arabia and the other Muslim countries have kept the conflict of the so called Palestinians going this whole time. their is no such race as this so called Palestinians. the Roman's called that area Palestine to piss off the Jews. for up rising all the damn time, so the Romans destroyed the Jews Temple and renamed the area Palestine, cause they could at the time. they only become Palestinians to keep the conflict going. I will not fall prey to the Arabs of the area being called Palestinians. Israel was not ever Palestine. if you believe in the Bible or not really doesn't matter, cause what is coming is still coming. the Temple mount will be destroyed one day and than the Jewish Temple will be rebuilt. on top of the old Temples. than we all know what happens after that.
Actually it was named after the Philistines. And your correct, there is no race called Palestinian. Nobody said there was. And there were Temples on top of temples. Jerusalem had been a holy city long before Abraham.
 
Not only is it NOT the same now, it's NOT true. Just like it WASN"T true when it first came out. The quote was fabricated by the Hamas.
Don't know CBS...Seems one can find something somewhere to try and prove a point. Lot of misinformation out there.
"By Way of Deception, Thou Shalt Do War." You recognize that?
 
Actually it was named after the Philistines. And your correct, there is no race called Palestinian. Nobody said there was. And there were Temples on top of temples. Jerusalem had been a holy city long before Abraham.


oh, the Muslims are trying to portray the Arabs in that area as Palestinians. to some how give them ownership of Israel. it was desert before the Jews cam and turned it into fertile ground. now the Muslims want the land for themselves. Philistines are no more. like I said earlier. whether you believe in the Bible or not doesn't matter. what is coming is still coming regardless if you are a believer or not. I'm a believer and I know how the events are going to play out. you know the Iron dome that Israel has is mentioned in Revelations. just like the nukes Iran has is mentioned in Revelations. the flaming arrows from Iran will not hit Israel. meaning the nukes that Iran shoots at Israel will get knocked out of the sky by Israels Iron Dome.
 
Neither is what I posted below.









Islam and the Jews: The Status of Jews and Christians in Muslim Lands, 1772 CE

The Answer Of The Shaikh Hasan Al Kafrawi, The Shafiite [Professor of canon law in Cairo, d. 1788 CE]


http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/jewish/1772-jewsinislam.asp

Praise be to God, the guide of the right way!

The decision given by the Shaikh ar-Ramli [a great Cairo legal authority, d. 1596], by the Shaikh al-Islam [the Muslim religious authority in Constantinople], and by the learned scholars whose decrees can hardly be written down here, may be worded as follows: "It is forbidden to the tolerated peoples living on Muslim territory to clothe themselves in the same manner as the chiefs, the scholars, and the nobles. They should not be allowed to clothe themselves in costly fabrics which have been cut in the modes which are forbidden to them, in order that they may not offend the sensibilities of poor Muslims and in order that their faith in their religion should not be shaken by this. [Poor Muslims may regret their faith when they see how well-dressed the Christians and Jews are.]

"They should not be permitted to employ mounts like the Muslims. They must use neither saddles, nor iron-stirrups, in order to be distinguished from the true believers. They must under no circumstance ride horses because of the noble character of this animal. The Most-High has said [Qu'ran 8:62]: 'And through powerful squadrons [of horses] through which you will strike terror into your own and God's enemies.' [A verse of the Qu'ran makes a good support for a law. Verses may even be torn out of their context.]

"They should not be permitted to take Muslims into their service because God has glorified the people of Islam. He has given them His aid and has given them a guarantee by these words [Qu'ran 3:140]: 'Surely God will never give preeminence to unbelievers over the true believers.' Now this is just what is happening today, for their servants are Muslims taken from among men of a mature age or from those who are still young. This is one of the greatest scandals to which the guardians of authority must put an end. It is wrong to greet them even with a simple 'how-do-you-do'; to serve them, even for wages, at the baths or in what relates to their riding animals; and it is forbidden to accept anything from their hand, for that would be an act of debasement by the faithful. They are forbidden while going through the streets to ape the manners of the Muslims, and still less those of the cities of the religion. They shall only walk single-file, and in narrow lanes they must withdraw even more into the most cramped part of the road.

"One may read that which follows in Bukhari and Muslim [religious authorities of the ninth century]: 'Jews and Christians shall never begin a greeting; if you encounter one of them on the road, push him into the narrowest and tightest spot.' The absence of every mark of consideration toward them is obligatory for us; we ought never to give them the place of honor in an assembly when a Muslim is present. This is in order to humble them and to honor the true believers. They should under no circumstances acquire Muslim slaves, white or black. Therefore they should get rid of the slaves which they now have for the), have no right to own them. If one of their slaves who was formerly an infidel, becomes a Muslim, he shall be removed from them, and his master, willingly or unwillingly, shall be compelled to sell him and to accept the price for him.

"It is no longer permitted them to put themselves, with respect to their houses, on an equal footing with the dwellings of their Muslim neighbors, and still less to build their buildings higher. If they are of the same height, or higher, it is incumbent upon us to pull them down to a size a little less than the houses of the true believers. This conforms to the word of the Prophet: 'Islam rules, and nothing shall raise itself above it.' This is also in order to hinder them from knowing where our weak spots are and in order to make a distinction between their dwellings and ours.

"They are forbidden to build new churches, chapels, or monasteries in any Muslim land. We should destroy everything that is of new construction in every place, such as Cairo, for instance, founded under the Muslim religion, for it is said in a tradition of Umar: 'No church shall be built in Islam.' They shall no longer be permitted to repair the parts of these [post-Islamic] buildings which are in ruins. However, the old buildings [of pre-Islamic times] which are found in a land whose population had embraced Islam need not be destroyed. They shall not, however, be enlarged by means of repairs or otherwise. In case the tolerated peoples [Jews, Christians, etc.] act contrary to these provisions we will be obliged to destroy everything that has been added to the original size of the building. [Only pre-Islamic churches and synagogues may be repaired; new ones must be torn down.]

"Entrance into Muslim territory by infidels of foreign lands under the pact guaranteeing protection to the tolerated peoples is permitted only for the time necessary to settle their business affairs. If they exceed this period, their safe-conduct having expired, they will be put to death or be subject to the payment of the head-tax.[Jews and Christians of foreign lands must pay a special head-tax if they wish to remain permanently in Muslim lands.] As to those with whom the ruler may have signed treaties, and with whom he, for whatever motive, may have granted a temporary truce, they form only the smallest fraction. But they, too, must not pass the fixed limit of more than four months [without paying the tax], particularly if this occurs at a time when Islam is prosperous and flourishing. The Most-High has said [Qu'ran 2: 2341: 'They should wait four months,' and he has again said [47:37]: 'Do not show any cowardice, and do not at all invite the unbelievers to a peace when you have the upper-hand and may God be with you.'

"Their men and women are ordered to wear garments different from those of the Muslims in order to be distinguished from them. They are forbidden to exhibit anything which might scandalize us, as, for instance, their fermented liquors, and if they do not conceal these from us, we are obliged to pour them into the street."

This which precedes is only a part of that which has been written on this subject, and if we should wish to mention it all here it would take too long. But this brief recital will be sufficient for those men whose intelligence God has enlightened, to whom he has given the breath of life, and whose inner thoughts he has sanctified. Now let us beg the Sovereign Master of the world to extend His justice over humanity universally, in order that they may direct all their efforts toward raising with firmness the banner of the religion.

In a tradition of the sincere and faithful [Calif Abu Bekr, 632-634] it is likewise said: "The abolition of a sacrilegious innovation is preferable to the permanent operation of the law." In another tradition it is also said: "One hour of justice is worth more than sixty years of ritual." The verses of the Qu'ran and the traditions are very numerous on this subject, and they are known by all the faithful. God has cursed the former nations because they have not condemned scandalous things; and He has said [Qu'ran 5:82]: "They [the children of Israel] seek not at all to turn one another from the bad actions which they have committed. 0 how detestable were their actions. But He has punished these men because of their obstinate conduct." The Most-High has also said [Qu'ran 9: 1 131: "Those who bid what is right and forbid what is wrong, who observe the divine precepts, will be rewarded. Announce these glad tidings to the Muslims."

May the Most High God admit us to the number of this company and may He lead us in the paths of His favor. Certainly God is powerful in everything; He is full of mercy to His servants; He sees all.

Written by the humble Hasan al Kafrawi, the Shafiite. [1772 CE]

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In the middle of the 19th century, J. J. Benjamin wrote about the life of Persian Jews:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_under_Muslim_rule

"…they are obliged to live in a separate part of town…; for they are considered as unclean creatures… Under the pretext of their being unclean, they are treated with the greatest severity and should they enter a street, inhabited by Mussulmans, they are pelted by the boys and mobs with stones and dirt… For the same reason, they are prohibited to go out when it rains; for it is said the rain would wash dirt off them, which would sully the feet of the Mussulmans… If a Jew is recognized as such in the streets, he is subjected to the greatest insults. The passers-by spit in his face, and sometimes beat him… unmercifully… If a Jew enters a shop for anything, he is forbidden to inspect the goods… Should his hand incautiously touch the goods, he must take them at any price the seller chooses to ask for them... Sometimes the Persians intrude into the dwellings of the Jews and take possession of whatever please them. Should the owner make the least opposition in defense of his property, he incurs the danger of atoning for it with his life... If... a Jew shows himself in the street during the three days of the Katel (Muharram)…, he is sure to be murdered."[32]
Yea...I've seen this, thanks. Do you know where the translation came from? Just curious, I've been trying to find a decent translation of the Talmud.
 


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I made a total friggin liar out of that ridiculous clown you posted slobbering all over himself over Israel.

"You mean the one you were going to refute line by line but NEVER did? Yeah, you REALLY made a liar out of him :rolleyes: LMFAO"





My response to the Israeli hand puppet:
NOBODY LIVES HERE:
No country called Palestine.

The area in question was known as Canaan in the biblical times. Prior to world war 1 it was called Palestine and was part of the Ottoman empire (Turkey). During the war the British promised Palestine to the Arabs ( this was the interpretation by the Arabs of those meetings at the time) if they would revolt and join the British in the defeat of Turkey. This was known as the McMahon Agreement (1915). They also promised the Jews the same land in a letter known as the “Balfour declaration” (1917) sent to two of the Rothschilds who were members of the British parliament. Needless to say, neither party knew about the agreement with the other. But that doesn’t change the situation that this particular area of real estate was occupied at the time by Arabs and descendants of the original Hebrew tribes, living side by side with few problems, and had been so for more or less 2000 years, the villages and land being handed down to the families from their descendants. To claim that this land belonged to no one and was unoccupied is, at the least, a little misleading.



WAR CRIMES, TERRORIST AND HYPOCRISY:

The United States and a majority of countries branded Hamas as a terrorist organization, a few like Norway, Russia, Switzerland and the united nations did not. Australia only counts the IZZ-ad-Din-assam brigades as terroist organizations, not Hamas. Hamas is the de-facto government in Palenstine, having been elected in 2007.
The militant military arm of Hamas has been lobbing rockets into Israel for a long time. That they hide munitions, launchers and rockets all over the place it's no doubt a lot of innocent people will be killed when Israel retaliates. But, as quoting a UN official " they use overwhelming force in civilian areas". Gaza is one of the worlds most densely populated areas.
I agree with the UN officials statement that Israel and Hamas militants seem indifferent to civilian casualties.

In 1944 the British resident minister and his driver were assassinated in Cairo by members of the Jewish Stern gang. Two years later the Irgun Zvai Leumi group blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem. A large cache weapons was discovered in Tel Aviv’s largest synagogue, and a second large arms and weapons cache was discovered hidden in a school building. Two British officers were killed when the group blew up a public building in Tel Aviv. A Jewish woman’s house was blown up when she refused to pay extortion money to the Irgun group. They blew up two British soldiers outside of Jerusalem.
In 1948, the Irgun and Stern gang attacked Dir Yashin, an Arab suburb of Jerusalem, killing 250 people, half of them were women and children. Almost 300 terrorist attacks and killings took place between 1944 and 1948. This was the beginning of the state of Israel.
All this is interesting because the first prime minister of Israel was Manachem Begin, branded as a terrorist, who headed the Stern gang. Also the former prime minister Yitzhak Shamir was part of the Irgun and Stern gangs. Ariel Sharon, who was also a prime minister, had his problems. In 1982 he was forced to resign as defense minister when he was found personally responsible, by an Israeli investigative panel, of the massacre of at least 2000 refugees in the Sabra and Shatilla camps.

The Arabs and the Jews, two peas in a pod. The kettle is calling the pot black.


DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM:

There is an unusual distinction between “citizenship” and “nationality” Although all Israelis qualify as citizens of Israel, the state is defined as belonging to the “Jewish nation”, meaning not only the 5.6 million Israeli Jews but also more than seven million Jews in the diaspora. The interior ministry has adopted more than 130 possible nationalities for Israeli citizens, most of them defined in religious or ethnic terms, with ”Jewish” and “Arab” being the main catagories. There are even two laws – The law of Return for Jews and the “citizenship Law” for Arabs – that determine how you belong to the state.

International Zionist organizations representing the diaspora, such as the Jewish National Fund and the Jewish Agency, are given in Israeli law a special, quasi-governmental role, especially in relation to immigration and control over large areas of Israeli territory for the settlement of Jews.

You will be issued an ID card. You will have to use it for almost all transactions. The card used to have your nationality on them but they phased that out in 2000, because the interior ministry, which was run by a religious party at the time, objected to a court order requiring it to identify non-orthodox Jews as “Jewish” on the cards. However, any official could tell if he was looking at the card of a Jew or Arab because the date of birth on the IDs of Jews was given according to the Hebrew calendar, and in addition, the card of an Arab included the grandfather’s name.

Only Israelis from the same religious group are allowed to marry inside Israel – otherwise they are forced to wed abroad. And cemeteries are separated according to religious belonging.

There are more than 50 laws that discriminate against Arab citizens of Israel in all areas of life, in access to land, education, state budget resources and criminal procedures. Some of the laws also violate the rights of Palestinians living in the 1967 OPT and Palestinian refugees. You can look these laws up on The Library Of Congresses web site.

http://www.loc.gov/law/help/legal-research-guide/Israel.php



Marriage in the Jewish state is a complex matter, and is almost entirely under the purview of religious authorities. There is no civil marriage. Jews can only be married in a religious ceremony, by an orthodox rabbi under the authority of the chief rabbinate, the top religious authority for Jews in Israel. This means that there is no inter-faith marriage between Jews and non-Jews, since Orthodox Judaism does not allow mixed unions. Israelis who belong to other streams of Judaism, such as Reform or Conservative, must still tie the knot in front of an Orthodox rabbi in a traditional ceremony if they want their marriage to be recognized by the state.


I personally could care less what happens over there as long as we are not dragged into it. And I certainly don’t want to get involved in a fruitless argument over Israel and Palestine. I should have deleted the bottom portion of that article I posted. I was really interested only in the weapon they were talking about.

I know I’ve mentioned this before, but you can get a better feel for what’s going on in Israel and Palestine by reading the Jewish newspapers online.:)

http://www.jpost.com


http://www.haaretz.com
 
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