Favorite Programs To Get Huge

Actually you don't need to do whatever you feel...as stated earlier you have to do hypertrophy specific training in order to be a modern bodybuilder...heavy ass squats don't build bigger quads as much as 20 rep sets of heavy legpresess...that is a fact for most people.You can do 5x5 ,westside,it dosnt matter it will not help you reach your full peak.Body building has nothing to do with strength training at all.Sure you will build a nice base with strength training and I recommend it for a newbee but after that exlpore programs such as..eg,big beyond belief-if you search in this forum you will find a link I posted ages ago for the book,or try the titan training program.those two have a lot of info online and tons of user logs and successful results.Dc training and its varients such as the hct-12 program which is good to jump into before dc training.Time under tension is the goal for fiber stimulation to achieve hypertrophy and there are many protocols available to achieve this...a 6-10 second set will not yield you max hypertrophy-sure you will get strong as an ox...but if your goals are maximum size then don't waste your time with weight you can barely move-yes you will find a lot of contradictions in information... for instance I will say deadlifts will spure growth in a newbee but...that eventually comes to an end.
 
Strength training doesn't build size? You have to be fucking kidding. It obviously can be done multiple ways, but a lot of the wsm competitors would argue with you i think. I packed on the most size after getting away from volume and going to more of a powerlifting approach. I am not saying i'm the biggest guy out there by any means, but my size spurt only came after 1 - my metabolism slowed a bit, 2 - i quit running and got away from physical labor jobs, 3 - I started hanging out with powerlifters and shaded that direction.

I'm not trying to start an argument because i know there are powerlifters that can and do get into volume training and that there are bodybuilders who can powerlift. That being said, heavier weight and lower reps helped me. I don't think it is a good idea to stay in one of the other forever. If i only did sets of 1-5 for years i'm pretty sure my joints would be screaming at me. Conversely, if i did nothing but sets of 12+ reps i doubt i would get the nervous system work and skill training i would use on a heavy single. there is something to be said for sets where you can only do 1-3 reps. No screwing around. You are either all in or you are going to get embarrassed and have a very bad day.
 
Truth @devildog93. The human organism is amazing in its ability to adapt to imposed stressors. I totally agree that there is no one way to train but instead a periodized approach of strength and hypertrophy cycles focused on athlete ability and needs.

You are going to get huge with a powerlifting method. I think most here define huge as also being vascular and ripped which requires more of a bodybuilding method to get definition and low body fat.
 
Yea, no one would mistake me for a bodybuilder, but the question was about getting huge. Getting huge is eating big and training big i was always told. By training big i took it to mean the weights themselves. Hell, Ronnie Coleman wasn't(isn't) allergic to deadlifts or squats. A body getting bigger/stronger is an adaptation to stressors as you pointed out. In my mind, nothing stresses the body like squats and deadlift. No amount of leg press will replace those compound movements in stress levels. At least that is my take.
 
I agree. You have to realize also that heavy compound movements not only cause muscular adaptations but also skeletal. The bones will get stronger and thicker allowing the body to carry more mass. A theory would be that the reason gains are lost so easily after AAS is because the frame/skeleton has never adapted to holding all the increased muscle mass. So if you wanna be and stay huge you have to lift heavy to get the framework i.e. skeletal adaptations.

Drink your milk!
 
I have trained as a power bodybuilder for the better part of 20+ years, I was forunate to train amongst both type of training.

I have built quite a solid base over the years, and have only 1 cycle under my belt, but them me say, do not shy away from heavy barbell work. It will lay down the foundation where some serious muscle can be placed. I truly believe even at my age, that I have the ability to ascend.


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I knew the power lifting purest would be offended but that being said its not any rep number my friend if the man wants size its time under tension baby.(tut)



Where is demondosage anyway?
 
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Yea, no one would mistake me for a bodybuilder, but the question was about getting huge. Getting huge is eating big and training big i was always told. By training big i took it to mean the weights themselves. Hell, Ronnie Coleman wasn't(isn't) allergic to deadlifts or squats. A body getting bigger/stronger is an adaptation to stressors as you pointed out. In my mind, nothing stresses the body like squats and deadlift. No amount of leg press will replace those compound movements in stress levels. At least that is my take.

By the way Ronnie evolved into reps of 12 and up.With heavy weight.And again you will not build show stopping wheels with 5x5 squats.Maybee a few men ...but not many.
 
I knew the power lifting purest would be offended but that being said its not any rep number my friend if the man wants size its time under tension baby.(tut)



Were is demondosage anyway?

Without a doubt, time under tension all day long. But that bar either way better be heavy.


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I agree. You have to realize also that heavy compound movements not only cause muscular adaptations but also skeletal. The bones will get stronger and thicker allowing the body to carry more mass. A theory would be that the reason gains are lost so easily after AAS is because the frame/skeleton has never adapted to holding all the increased muscle mass. So if you wanna be and stay huge you have to lift heavy to get the framework i.e. skeletal adaptations.

Drink your milk!

that's B-O-L-O-G-N-A

There are different muscle fiber types and different reasons why atrophy does and dosnt happen.But good effort.
 
Strength training doesn't build size? You have to be fucking kidding. It obviously can be done multiple ways, but a lot of the wsm competitors would argue with you i think. I packed on the most size after getting away from volume and going to more of a powerlifting approach. I am not saying i'm the biggest guy out there by any means, but my size spurt only came after 1 - my metabolism slowed a bit, 2 - i quit running and got away from physical labor jobs, 3 - I started hanging out with powerlifters and shaded that direction.

I'm not trying to start an argument because i know there are powerlifters that can and do get into volume training and that there are bodybuilders who can powerlift. That being said, heavier weight and lower reps helped me. I don't think it is a good idea to stay in one of the other forever. If i only did sets of 1-5 for years i'm pretty sure my joints would be screaming at me. Conversely, if i did nothing but sets of 12+ reps i doubt i would get the nervous system work and skill training i would use on a heavy single. there is something to be said for sets where you can only do 1-3 reps. No screwing around. You are either all in or you are going to get embarrassed and have a very bad day.

Some size..Great for newbies but honestly freaky?No...not really.When I was 18 years old I could do a 5x5 block with 375Lbs flat bench ...you know I was only 205LBs..Thats it.Now almost twenty years later..i stay at 275-320lbs depending on time of year and season and maintain 12%bf or lower..you think im doing a 5x5 block with 575lbs...hell no.
 
that's B-O-L-O-G-N-A

There are different muscle fiber types and different reasons why atrophy does and dosnt happen.But good effort.
OF COURSE IT IS! That theory is my attempt at broscience.

I wonder why those marathon runners aren't jacked? They be atrophy-ing Type I muscle fibers ALL DAY SON!!!
 
I agree. You have to realize also that heavy compound movements not only cause muscular adaptations but also skeletal. The bones will get stronger and thicker allowing the body to carry more mass. A theory would be that the reason gains are lost so easily after AAS is because the frame/skeleton has never adapted to holding all the increased muscle mass. So if you wanna be and stay huge you have to lift heavy to get the framework i.e. skeletal adaptations.

Drink your milk!

Also one last thing to add I just took 6 months off from training for transitions and I having honestly lost much at all any size...and the kicker,I havnt done squats deads Flatbench since fuck I don't know really...my muscles are still there.
OF COURSE IT IS! That theory is my attempt at broscience.

I wonder why those marathon runners aren't jacked? They be atrophy-ing Type I muscle fibers ALL DAY SON!!!

Nice but using a marathon runner as an example is a little far fetched.Your son is somewhere else and not here btw.

http://www.t-nation.com/training/why-bodybuilders-are-more-jacked-than-powerlifters
 
heavy ass squats don't build bigger quads as much as 20 rep sets of heavy legpresess...that is a fact for most people.You can do 5x5 ,westside,it dosnt matter it will not help you reach your full peak.Body building has nothing to do with strength training at all.

Respectfully, I disagree.

Progressive overloading weight overtime is probably the single most effective and important factor in any lifters long term development. You don't have to do any of the 'big 3 lifts', you can do leg press for instance instead of squats, but if you aren't progressive overloading the weight, what is there to overload? Rest time, volume, intensity ? These are all important factors but they can never replace the role of getting stronger in your lifts.

Coincidentally, many bodybuilding programs are poorly programmed and are based around a single factor approach to recovery and training when such a method is very impractical for guys who are far along in their development strength wise.

Time under tension is the goal for fiber stimulation to achieve hypertrophy and there are many protocols available to achieve this...a 6-10 second set will not yield you max hypertrophy-sure you will get strong as an ox.

Tension isn't the only factor in hypertrophy, and increasing the effort of a set and making it a high effort/tension set doesn't promote more hypertrophy in and of it self, it actually promotes quicker strength adaptations.

Why do you think guys who train in the low rep range are able to get so strong so fast, its not a mystery really, its because you are training with near maximal loads the whole time and the TENSION/EFFORT needed to complete the set is high.

Look at it this way, a lot of bodybuilding oriented guys agree that lower rep ranges are impractical for hypertrophy and that moderate rep maxes in the 8-12 range are superior.

This isn't because your body can tell the difference between the 2, it doesn't go into a 'strength mode' when you train with low rep ranges and it certainly does not go into a 'bodybuilding mode' when you train with moderate - high rep ranges, it can not tell the difference between the two.

Low rep ranges are HIGH EFFORT / TENSION and LOW FATIGUE, where as moderate rep ranges are MEDIUM EFFORT / TENSION and MEDIUM FATIGUE.

This is why moderate rep ranges are better suited for bb'ing, because TENSION isn't the only factor, fatigue is important too.

Tension is actually the reason why low rep ranges get you so strong so fast, because the effort needed to complete the set in that rep range is so damn high.

When you increase 'tension' or intensity in your sets this isn't really building more muscle, its increasing the effort needed to complete the set which promotes quicker improvements in STRENGTH. You will get stronger quicker doing the time under tension style of set, not the 6-10 second set. Neither will promote more hypertrophy over the other directly, but the increased tension set will allow you to get stronger faster and promote more growth in the long term.

With heavy weight.And again you will not build show stopping wheels with 5x5 squats.

Double the volume on the 5x5 squats and tell me you can't build a terrific quad sweep with squats alone. 90 percent of my own leg development comes from doing 2 lifts, Romanian dead lifts and front squats. I do a lot of volume for both of these and nothing could possibly replace the role these play in my development.

Some size..Great for newbies but honestly freaky?No...not really.When I was 18 years old I could do a 5x5 block with 375Lbs flat bench

You have to keep in mind that a lot of the popular 5x5 routines by the well known strength coaches are not meant for bodybuilding strictly, they are meant for strength athletes and people who play contact sports looking to getting stronger and faster on the field. If your goal is to get as swole as you possibly can then there might be more efficient ways to go about it.

But any rep range, even the low rep range can be effective for bodybuilding. Shit you can even get swole off heavy triples, you just have to do enough volume to make sure fatigue and other factors are higher and at a point where you can get decent gains / growth. Most guys are not willing to do that though, thats why the 8-12 moderate rep range is ideal for bb'ing, but its very possible for any rep range to work optimally.

Strength is still very important though and I firmly believe that progressive overloading the weight is probably the most important factor in your long term development. Is there a single competitor on the olympia stage who isn't disgustingly strong?
 
If time under tension is where it's at then I should be able to get jacked doing isometric holds.

Tomorrow I'm gonna unrack 500lb bench and hold for 30 seconds for 10 sets. That should be 5 minutes under tension. Then when I get too jacked I'll flip the script and do 775 lb negatives.

Should work cuz dat broscience tho.
 
Read what you wrote and look at all the contradictions there.Im not the one spewing bro science.
 
I've relied on volume training for my mass, using Arnolds book, and the weider principals to design my workouts. I often use a sort of pyramid strategy for the overall plan (not necessarily in my set design), I do strength training (2-4 rep range), mass building (6-10), and conditioning/endurance (12-30 range), I feel this gives a very balanced approach to my overall appearance. I also employ various "shocking" techniques as Arnold likes to call them, negatives, running the rack, strip sets, rest between sets, 1RM (most of the time, I get 2RM, because I don't have a training partner all the time), super sets, and order of exercises.

For extreme weight changes (downwards) I employ HIT or HIIT training principals, I have not really used too much HIIT since I stopped boxing however. I still employ HIT every now and then, but find the stress on my body to be a bit much and I can't take it like I could when I was younger.
 

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