shady shady biz

[flenser]

I chose hexane because it doesn't mix with water. I believe butane does.

 

[dredd09]

Acetone dissolves the crystals, which are almost insoluble in water. ( i think its like 30mg/per liter of water.) The water left behind will be holding contaminants and small amount of test. Trash that. The tone carries the goodies. It evaps fast and leaves needle shards.

 

[flenser]

I did try methanol in an earlier trial but even after rinsing many times I was uncomfortable with the idea of injecting some methanol, that is why I tried the ethanol.

I have yet another dumb question. Doesn't the little bit of methanol left after washing evaporate when you dry the powder? I was assuming hexane would dry even faster. If not, I might want to rethink my plan..

 

[dredd09]

Yes as long as you let it dry plenty of time . Meoh, acetone , hexane, butane..they all evap super fast compared to water. The mass spec on what trash is left at the end..that would be interesting indeed. If not scary.

 

[BIGMESC]

So I brewed up the Test p I washed last night and even with a 95% return the difference is very noticeable.

First pic is of a batch of unwashed raws, positive test but not bright and the GSO oil turned dark quickly.

Sorry for the crappy pic it a still of a vid.



Second two pics are same raws washed, same mg but with MCT oil.
much better glow and the oil stayed much lighter.

 

[dredd09]

Success! Congrats man. Now , THAT looks clean.

 

[flenser]

It will be interesting to learn how pure it started and ended up.

 

[dredd09]

Purification is something that sources need to look into when they get there crystals. To think of the nasties hidden within of a batch of cheap "50 percent"... You just went from bunk to legit, and saved yourself countless headaches and complaints. For the brewer, same thing. Take it from bottom shelf to top flight. Your not going to lose a significant amount of test to water.

 

[BIGMESC]

I will finish my cycle with this product and get bloods, this should give us an idea finished purity.

 

[manic5]

What do you expect? The character of the average person willing to start an illegal business isn't going to be Ned Flanderesque.

If you're going the UGL route, chances are you're going to be dealing with shady types

 

[dredd09]

Doesnt mean you have to invest thousands in bullshit though. How many dope dealers you know out there selling clients fake meth or weed? I know with one of them its a good way to get yourself a free dirt nap.

 

[flenser]

I will finish my cycle with this product and get bloods, this should give us an idea finished purity.

Definitely.

Hopefully I will be able to repeat your process. I have some test e raws out for HPLC (the same time as your amp), and hope to get the results of various processes tested as well.

 

[jonsal]

First off, thanks to those who finally shed some light on washing test raws. Been looking all over for it. I would definitely not feel to comfortable though with any ugl washing, given all the chemicals involved.

 

[dredd09]

If you trust them to brew what you im...it goes to reason you better have a little trust. If they are smart enough to brew, there smart enough to at least look into purification. It doesnt have to be done with poisonous material either..and whatever way its done is better than leaving some bullshit in the bag that finds its way into my bottle. How much better life could be. Not to mention cycles that come from raws that are as pure as possible. Id say low 90's instead of fifty or barely over. Its an improvement that needs to be explored.

 

[jonsal]

I haven't read the whole process, but read a comment and saw some chemicals that you probably wouldn't want to inject, thus the not trusting someone else to do this for me comment. I happen to have some test e and p raws hanging around. I need to read more about this. Thanks again.

 

[Jeep187]

This is the method I used to remove primarily water soluble contaminants.
Like dredd09 said in his post the idea is to find what your compound is soluble and insoluble in.

In our case we are talking testosterone which is soluble in a solvent but is insoluble in water.
The solvent in our grear is BA but I chose ethanol (everclear) 95% idealy you would use usp grade 100% or 200 proof available online for $60 a pint plus $25 hazmat fee min order of 2.

The other ingredient is chilled distilled water.

I found 7ml of ethanol per gram of testosterone to do the trick to disolve it.
Some mild heat may be required as well 180F or so.

Chill in fridge or freezer 10ml of distilled water per gram while disolving test.

Once disolved and all crystals are gone leaving a clear liquid allow to cool somewhat then
using a 20ml pin or larger draw up the chilled distilled water.
Then slowly, very slowly dribble the water into the flask along the inside edge.
You should see white crystals from as the water comes into contact with you solute.
The testosterone is falling out of the solution or precipitating out of the solute.
Any water soluble substance will remain in the liquid.
Continue to slowly add water till the test no longer precipitates out of solute.

Using a coffee filter and another beaker filter the clumpy white powder out of the liquid.
Then using more distilled water rinse the crystals a few more times to get any of the ethanol off.

Allow to dry, for test esters with a higher melting point this can be done with heat as long as it is well below the melting point.

My results so far have been a 65% yield on some test E and a 95% yield on some test p
Obviously there was additional water soluble products in the test E and a little bit in the test p
Now there can still be contaminants in them that have the same properties of testosterone
soluble in solvent and not in water.

Both products tested very well after using LM and the TestE very well after brewing, I have yet to brew the test P.

Tip: weigh everything before hand and write it down. beakers, filter, stir stick, rubberbands or paperclips used to hold the filter.
This will make calculating yield much easier, for instance if you know the weight of you filter then you can leave powder in filter and deduct its weight, because you will lose some in the filter.

If anyone else has something to add or notice an error please post up, I am an amature and enjoy learning and sharing what I have found.

Damn bro. Thanks for the knowledge!

 

[MANWHORE]

Ok in this day n age with the millions juicing I would think more of these ugl would be trying harder to be more reputable.

It's easy for them to rip people off for hundreds or thousands
and just reopen in different name, because no one knows who is behind them..

It's not like a storefront operation, and some people are greedy..
Some people get off on ripping others off, even if for only $5..

Not to mention all the hands in the cookie jar..
Now Frank, on of the 7 business partners, gets into a fight with
his new girlfriend and she calls the cops on him, because he been bragging to her
about his UGL...

Joe gets busted for his side business of selling Dope.. gives up the UGL to save his ass
Jack gets greedy and cuts the products, so he can profit more
because he is in charge of raws and brewing.. this fucks the business..

I find some very good raws coming out of China..

Too many hands in the pot is what
I say number 1 reason UGLs fail

M

 

[devildog93]

Not to sidetrack this as it is definitely good information, but i had a few questions. First, i assume we are talking about washing the chinese powders and i had a thought. It seems we are already doing chemistry here and i was wondering if this is the most cost effective or efficent use of our time.

After reading this thread i think i would be pretty confident with washing powder, but i was wondering how much more difficult it would be to back it up a few steps, like say from DHEA. It isn't that i am being a cheap ass, but i am wondering if it wouldn't be easier to get a better DHEA product to convert into test than starting with Chinese raws. Yea, i guess i'm racist...or it could be that i just don't care to get lead poisoning or whatever else i might get lucky enough to keep even after washing powder.

 

[Bradly]

Not to sidetrack this as it is definitely good information, but i had a few questions. First, i assume we are talking about washing the chinese powders and i had a thought. It seems we are already doing chemistry here and i was wondering if this is the most cost effective or efficent use of our time.

After reading this thread i think i would be pretty confident with washing powder, but i was wondering how much more difficult it would be to back it up a few steps, like say from DHEA. It isn't that i am being a cheap ass, but i am wondering if it wouldn't be easier to get a better DHEA product to convert into test than starting with Chinese raws. Yea, i guess i'm racist...or it could be that i just don't care to get lead poisoning or whatever else i might get lucky enough to keep even after washing powder.

from what Ive seen from the synthesis involved, I think this is cheaper. You have a finished product already. Your heavy metals would come out in the water wash(IIRC) and then, your looking at methanol or ethanol. Methanol is cheap and you can buy it walmart or an autopart store as HEET. Ethanol, you can get at your liquor store. Even if you cant get 200 proof (like Florida) you can rig a stove top still to make it.
If you can get your ingredients local,and in cash, its way better than buying equipment and chemicals all over the place.

 

[BIGMESC]

Not to sidetrack this as it is definitely good information, but i had a few questions. First, i assume we are talking about washing the chinese powders and i had a thought. It seems we are already doing chemistry here and i was wondering if this is the most cost effective or efficent use of our time.

After reading this thread i think i would be pretty confident with washing powder, but i was wondering how much more difficult it would be to back it up a few steps, like say from DHEA. It isn't that i am being a cheap ass, but i am wondering if it wouldn't be easier to get a better DHEA product to convert into test than starting with Chinese raws. Yea, i guess i'm racist...or it could be that i just don't care to get lead poisoning or whatever else i might get lucky enough to keep even after washing powder.

I like the way you think devildog, that would be the ticket.
They could even make a TV show about a ex-meth cook who got cleaned up then swole and now makes the best Test on the market. Naw it would never work.