It would be called Breaking Swole. The chef right hand would be a meathead guido who's tag line is YEAH BRAH!
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Looks like it has been done and talked about on a few forums, and it looks easy enough for the average home brewer to figure out. The trick seems to be attaching an ester. All the "simple" methods require solvents watched by DEA because they are used in meth labs.
Yea, i thought there had to be a snag in there somewhere. I have looked over the process and it seems like there are a couple of ways to do it. One i saw is more lab-like, the other is a straight up kitchen equipment conversion. It doesn't really matter if the solvents involved are flagged by the dea though. I imagine if you are cooking in your kitchen they don't give a rat's ass what it is, your butt is in a sling regardless.
So on the plus side you could get around the Chinese powders but alert the DEA in the process. Seems like a bad risk to reward dynamic working there, carry on. Oh, and from what i saw it wasn't as involved as breaking bad fellas. The difficult part seemed to be all the damn watching and waiting involved in the cooling process when you give it a ice water bath. I know a lot of guys here are not the most patient types and it would not end well.
The most intriguing thing i saw on the article was that the chemist could expect 90%+ purity and most of the 10% or thereabouts that wasn't the test would be things like andro and other products that got carried on through the process and were pretty much harmless. Just the idea of being able to take a totally legal product and end up with 90% pure test with only harmless byproducts making up the rest was extremely enticing. Oh well, interesting read anyway. if anyone is interested the best one i saw was on elite fitness, but you need a membership once your free preview is over. So, if you catch the article copy and paste it. don'tbe like me and go back and forth and not copy it before you have to become a member
. I did a search for dhea to test conversion and there it was.
So on the plus side you could get around the Chinese powders but alert the DEA in the process. Seems like a bad risk to reward dynamic working there, carry on. Oh, and from what i saw it wasn't as involved as breaking bad fellas. The difficult part seemed to be all the damn watching and waiting involved in the cooling process when you give it a ice water bath. I know a lot of guys here are not the most patient types and it would not end well.
The most intriguing thing i saw on the article was that the chemist could expect 90%+ purity and most of the 10% or thereabouts that wasn't the test would be things like andro and other products that got carried on through the process and were pretty much harmless. Just the idea of being able to take a totally legal product and end up with 90% pure test with only harmless byproducts making up the rest was extremely enticing. Oh well, interesting read anyway. if anyone is interested the best one i saw was on elite fitness, but you need a membership once your free preview is over. So, if you catch the article copy and paste it. don'tbe like me and go back and forth and not copy it before you have to become a member
. I did a search for dhea to test conversion and there it was.
I saw the one on EF as well. I didn't go pricing materials, but it looked like the cost per gram might rival pharma gear. I think I will stick with washing and recrystallization for the short term. After I retire and get tired of taking care of the lawn, though, the sky is the limit : )
Bradly
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Here is some info I found on making testosterone….
Does anyone know if this will work?
Materials needed--
Androstenedione (powder)
Methanol
Sodium Borohydride
Acetic Acid
Distilled Water
Litmus Paper
Thermometer
Also:
Beaker or glass container for the reaction, a pot for salt ice water bath, a spoon, fliter, an eropper (1 to 2cc).
Procedure--
10 grams of Androstenedione is dissolved in 400ml methanol and cooled to 32 degrees Fahrenheit in a salt/ice bath (like making ice cream)
2.5g sodium borohydride is added while the solution is stirred.
Stir for 45 minutes while the temp is 32 degrees.
After 45 minutes, acetic acid is added, while stirring, in increments of 2ml at a time (hydrogen gas will evolve)
After each addition, the pH of the solution should be checked.
When the pH begins to turn acidic on the litmus paper, then stop.
Concentrate methanol solution to 50ml by evaporation.
Mix with 700ml distilled water.
Filter off the cloudy precipitate.
Wash filter cake with water several times.
Air or oven dry at a temp of no more that 150 degrees.
Final product will be 80% test, with the rest being unreacted andro and a mix of 3-alpha, 17-beta, and 3-beta, 17-beta androstendiols. All of which are also anabolic.
For administration, mix with propyleneglycol and or ethanol in a concentration of 30mg/ml, and take 1/3 of a millimeter, or 33insulin IUs under the tongue, one hour before training.
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*Or this?*
SYNTHESIS OF testosterone FROM DHEA
Testerone from bacteria culture
US Patent # 2,236,574
Suspend 40g yeast in 160 ml water and add, if possible, 1.5g of disodium hydrogen phosphate and potassium dihydrogen phosphate. Shake in oxygen atmosphere for 1 day and then add lg (1000mg) DHEA suspended in 150ml of
water and shake for another 2 days in oxygen atmosphere. Then add 130g invert sugar (or brown sugar or honey) and let stand 3 days at room temperature. The mixture is then extracted with three 50ml portions of ether (shaken with the
ether then the ether separated) or methylene chloride, and the ether washed by shaking with water and separating ether solution. Evaporate ether to get testosterone.
SYNTHESIS OF ESTER OF testosterone
(cypionate and propionate)
Dissolve 5g testosterone (or analog) in 25mi pyridine or dry ether and add 3g propionic anhydride (or propionyl chloride) OR cypionyl chloride(cyclopentylpropionyl chloride) to get the propionate and cypionate
respectively. Let stand over night and add excess water, filter, wash, and dry.
Steroids Related to testosterone
Oil-soluble derivatives of testosterone itself predate those of its 19-nor congener, these agents too are used to administer depot injections so as to provide in effect long term blood levels of drug. Thus, acylation of testosterone with propionyl chloride in the presence of pyridine yields
testosterone propionate; acylation by means of decanoic anhydride yields testosterone decanoate. Finally, reaction with 3-cyclopentylpropionyl chloride affords testosterone cypionate. This last undergoes hydrolysis unusually slowly because of the presence of two substituents at the 6 postion.
Reaction of dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) with an excess of methylmagnesium bromide affords the 17a-methyl compound; again the aforementioned stedc effects lead to high stereoselectivity. Oppenauer oxidation of the resultant
intermediate proceeds with a shift of the double bond into conjugation to yield methyltestosterone. When the initial condensation is canted out with the Grignard reagent from allyl bromide instead, this sequence yields allylestrenol. Perhaps most startling is the fact that the product obtained
from the use of a metal acetylide in this synthesis . ethisterone, shows little if any, if any androgenic potency. Instead, the compound is an orally effective progestin.
These agents have all been used at one time as orally active
anabolic-androgenic agents. Dehydrogenation of methyltestosterone by means of chloranil extends the conjugation to afford the 4,6-diene-3-one- system. This
compound in turn undergoes 1,6 conjugate addition of methylmagnesium bromide in the presence of cuprous chloride to afford largely the 6a-methyl product,known as bolasterones.
Dehydrogenation with selenium dioxide, on the other hand, affords the cross conjugated diene, aka Dianabol.
Hydroxylation of the double bond of methyltestosterone by means of osmium tetro dde and hydrogen peroxide afford the 4,5 diol. This undergoes beta elimination on treatment with base to yield oxymestrone.
Catalytic reduction of DHEA goes as expected largely from the unhindered side of the molecule to afford a trans A/B dng fusion. Reaction with methyl Grignard reagent followed by oxidation of the intermediate yields androstanolone (1). Formylation of (1) with ethyl formate and base gives
oxymetholone (aka Anadrol), Catalytic reduction of the analogous hydroxmethylene compound from dihydrotestosterone propionate gives first the 28-methyl product. Treatment with base leads this to isomerize to the thermodynamically favored equatedal 2a-methyl compound., dromostanolone
propionate. The formyl ketone undergoes a reaction typical of this fuctional array on treatment with hydazine, leading to formation of the anabolic steroidal pyrazole, stanazole.
Here is some info I found on making testosterone….
Does anyone know if this will work?
Materials needed--
Androstenedione (powder)
Methanol
Sodium Borohydride
Acetic Acid
Distilled Water
Litmus Paper
Thermometer
Also:
Beaker or glass container for the reaction, a pot for salt ice water bath, a spoon, fliter, an eropper (1 to 2cc).
Procedure--
10 grams of Androstenedione is dissolved in 400ml methanol and cooled to 32 degrees Fahrenheit in a salt/ice bath (like making ice cream)
2.5g sodium borohydride is added while the solution is stirred.
Stir for 45 minutes while the temp is 32 degrees.
After 45 minutes, acetic acid is added, while stirring, in increments of 2ml at a time (hydrogen gas will evolve)
After each addition, the pH of the solution should be checked.
When the pH begins to turn acidic on the litmus paper, then stop.
Concentrate methanol solution to 50ml by evaporation.
Mix with 700ml distilled water.
Filter off the cloudy precipitate.
Wash filter cake with water several times.
Air or oven dry at a temp of no more that 150 degrees.
Final product will be 80% test, with the rest being unreacted andro and a mix of 3-alpha, 17-beta, and 3-beta, 17-beta androstendiols. All of which are also anabolic.
For administration, mix with propyleneglycol and or ethanol in a concentration of 30mg/ml, and take 1/3 of a millimeter, or 33insulin IUs under the tongue, one hour before training.
__________________________________________________ _________________
*Or this?*
SYNTHESIS OF testosterone FROM DHEA
Testerone from bacteria culture
US Patent # 2,236,574
Suspend 40g yeast in 160 ml water and add, if possible, 1.5g of disodium hydrogen phosphate and potassium dihydrogen phosphate. Shake in oxygen atmosphere for 1 day and then add lg (1000mg) DHEA suspended in 150ml of
water and shake for another 2 days in oxygen atmosphere. Then add 130g invert sugar (or brown sugar or honey) and let stand 3 days at room temperature. The mixture is then extracted with three 50ml portions of ether (shaken with the
ether then the ether separated) or methylene chloride, and the ether washed by shaking with water and separating ether solution. Evaporate ether to get testosterone.
SYNTHESIS OF ESTER OF testosterone
(cypionate and propionate)
Dissolve 5g testosterone (or analog) in 25mi pyridine or dry ether and add 3g propionic anhydride (or propionyl chloride) OR cypionyl chloride(cyclopentylpropionyl chloride) to get the propionate and cypionate
respectively. Let stand over night and add excess water, filter, wash, and dry.
Steroids Related to testosterone
Oil-soluble derivatives of testosterone itself predate those of its 19-nor congener, these agents too are used to administer depot injections so as to provide in effect long term blood levels of drug. Thus, acylation of testosterone with propionyl chloride in the presence of pyridine yields
testosterone propionate; acylation by means of decanoic anhydride yields testosterone decanoate. Finally, reaction with 3-cyclopentylpropionyl chloride affords testosterone cypionate. This last undergoes hydrolysis unusually slowly because of the presence of two substituents at the 6 postion.
Reaction of dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) with an excess of methylmagnesium bromide affords the 17a-methyl compound; again the aforementioned stedc effects lead to high stereoselectivity. Oppenauer oxidation of the resultant
intermediate proceeds with a shift of the double bond into conjugation to yield methyltestosterone. When the initial condensation is canted out with the Grignard reagent from allyl bromide instead, this sequence yields allylestrenol. Perhaps most startling is the fact that the product obtained
from the use of a metal acetylide in this synthesis . ethisterone, shows little if any, if any androgenic potency. Instead, the compound is an orally effective progestin.
These agents have all been used at one time as orally active
anabolic-androgenic agents. Dehydrogenation of methyltestosterone by means of chloranil extends the conjugation to afford the 4,6-diene-3-one- system. This
compound in turn undergoes 1,6 conjugate addition of methylmagnesium bromide in the presence of cuprous chloride to afford largely the 6a-methyl product,known as bolasterones.
Dehydrogenation with selenium dioxide, on the other hand, affords the cross conjugated diene, aka Dianabol.
Hydroxylation of the double bond of methyltestosterone by means of osmium tetro dde and hydrogen peroxide afford the 4,5 diol. This undergoes beta elimination on treatment with base to yield oxymestrone.
Catalytic reduction of DHEA goes as expected largely from the unhindered side of the molecule to afford a trans A/B dng fusion. Reaction with methyl Grignard reagent followed by oxidation of the intermediate yields androstanolone (1). Formylation of (1) with ethyl formate and base gives
oxymetholone (aka Anadrol), Catalytic reduction of the analogous hydroxmethylene compound from dihydrotestosterone propionate gives first the 28-methyl product. Treatment with base leads this to isomerize to the thermodynamically favored equatedal 2a-methyl compound., dromostanolone
propionate. The formyl ketone undergoes a reaction typical of this fuctional array on treatment with hydazine, leading to formation of the anabolic steroidal pyrazole, stanazole.
List of DEA watched chems..
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEA_list_of_chemicalsBradly
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credit to Randall Flagg for posting the synthe
Bradly
Member
the one that jumps out at me is the acetic acid, this runs a gamut between vinegar and acetic anhydride. Acetic anhydride is an issue but, glacial really isnt and can be bought off ebay.
After a little review,I guess the Sodium Borohydride is watched. Also available on ebay
It would definitely be a fun experiment, orders of magnitude above brewing your own beer!
Bradly
Member
after looking over a chinese patent today, I really see the root of the issue. A moment of clarity if you will. The chinese process to make the test base is outdated and at best they're producing 90% pure. On top of this theyre cheaping out on their esterifying agents. boom 65%
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https://www.google.com/patents/CN102558267A?cl=en&dq=testosterone+enanthate&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3E6fVPeeBMukNvbpgfAC&sqi=2&pjf=1&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAA
Where are the andro raws coming from..back to the same dependence on supplier. The second one i wouldn't advise without a few years chemistry under your belt. Besides the fact those other reagents would need to be synthed before the test synth.
Ok, so no breaking bad part 2 it sounds like. Washing raws seems to be the effficient way to go about it then. Message received and thanks fellas.
Seems with all the weak test e raws floating everywhere, there would be some sources reading through and trying to improve the quality of product. You might lose a bunk vial or three purifying, but whats left will be next level...
I have a couple of questions left on this after thinking about it for a day and re-reading the thread. First, what % of yield of the original product should one expect after a washing? 60%, 50% ? I guess it doesn't matter as a scale will tell me what is left, i was just trying to plan a little in advance and wondering what others' experience was. Secondly, if going for a testosterone wash, would one be better using enanthate or cypionate? I personally don't care which as i treat them as interchangeable, just wondering if there is a difference in availability and how it effects the process. Is one more difficult than the other and is enanthate more craptastic lately from suppliers?
BIGMESC
New Member
Only have done 3 so far and the yield was from 65% to 95%
Test E can get a little sticky so make sure to cool it down thouroughly before filtering.
Test C is next on the list I will let you know how it goes.
I'm sure both have different solubility factors in different solvents I would find the one that's most soluble in any particular solvent. Yield depends on how careful you are not to lose any and how pure the feedstock was. Expect to lose 7 percent filtering and transferring
Remember nothing from nothing leaves nothing...and or chinese lead chips. Js
Mesc when i asked about the yield, i meant after filtering what % of the product are you getting out in weight? For example, you started with 100 grams and ended up with 65 grams that we guestimate is around 90% pure or so...something like that. I know we are not doing a chemical analysis, i am just wondering how good the filtering is going to be about removing the contaminants/unwanted product and what will remain. Obviously this will differ depending on the powder source, i was just looking for a best guess. A decent guess might get me in the ballpark when/if i actually do this and run it for 5 to 6 weeks for getting a blood test to see what we actually come up with.
I was thinking that between some decent guesswork and the bloods we could get a shadetree guess at what we come up with before turning to someone with a mass spec to find out for sure. I am very interested in how this would turn out.
If you can in fact take these 60% powders and turn them into 90% powders(losing the weight of the unwanted crap of course) i think this would be a huge step in harm reduction and the douchebaggery that goes on with the ugls. After all, if and when 3 or 4 of us get this done...then what excuse do ugls have for not doing it? Never mind, that is wishful thinking. I think most of the ugls would balk at losing even one bottle in 20 to refine their product and cut into their profit margin. What they maybe don't understand is that they are driving people to this by not including it in their business model, which i would think would be removing people from their customer base pool as well as making them look like hapless clowns. If a guy that washed powders was posting bloods from his processed cypionate that was getting say 4000 test levels from 500mg a week of finished product i would think that would be a marked improvement over what we have been seeing from ugls. At least i have not seen a ugl put up those numbers from random customers.
I guess this experiment is two-fold for me. 1 - Be able to eliminate a middleman processor that is probably doing a worse job at it than i would myself and 2 - Prove that the ugl sources must not give a shit and are in fact doing nothing to help clean up their powder. I'm pretty sure we know they aren't even going this far, but this will be another step to verifying that. If any Joe with 2 chemicals, a basic filter setup and some time can do it, then the question that comes to mind is why aren't any labs that want to be known as a good source doing it? I think i already know the answer. They can't be bothered by filtering their crap powder and ending up with far less product to sell, regardless of it being mislabeled mg wise or not. They would rather sell something labeled 250mg that is actually only 175mg instead of cleaning it up and losing 40% of their powder to remove the contaminants.
Bradly
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@devildog93
I think its impossible to say. theres too many variables. First, you have the raws 65% pure raws could yield you a THEORETICAL 65% yield. And then theres how well you perform the synth, you could fuck it all up and wind up with a 10% yield.
How pure can these extractions get? For me its hard to say because some of the byproducts are so similar in composition to the end product. However,it seems to me regardless your going to end up with some really nice raw to work with. Ive been doing some reading about carbolic acid and PIP.Thats one aspect you wouldnt have to worry about.
Also,its the politics of contraband with the UGLs, usually the quality of dope goes downhill rather than up from source to consumer.While not difficult or costly, its definitely time consuming.This would add alot of time to your cook. especially if the slower the better with the crystallization part.
I think its impossible to say. theres too many variables. First, you have the raws 65% pure raws could yield you a THEORETICAL 65% yield. And then theres how well you perform the synth, you could fuck it all up and wind up with a 10% yield.
How pure can these extractions get? For me its hard to say because some of the byproducts are so similar in composition to the end product. However,it seems to me regardless your going to end up with some really nice raw to work with. Ive been doing some reading about carbolic acid and PIP.Thats one aspect you wouldnt have to worry about.
Also,its the politics of contraband with the UGLs, usually the quality of dope goes downhill rather than up from source to consumer.While not difficult or costly, its definitely time consuming.This would add alot of time to your cook. especially if the slower the better with the crystallization part.
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Imagine a vial of suspension made from one pure crystal suspended in solution in a freezer. possibilities.....
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