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Here DD, let me help you out. These are two studies you posted earlier. Where does it say glucose isn't stored as fat? Take your time, I'll wait until you're done.


Am J Clin Nutr.
1987 Jan;45(1):78-85. Links
Carbohydrate metabolism and de novo lipogenesis in human obesity.

Acheson KJ, Schutz Y, Bessard T, Flatt JP, Jéquier E.
Respiratory exchange was measured during 14 consecutive hours in six lean and six obese individuals after ingestion of 500 g of dextrin maltose to investigate and compare their capacity for net de novo lipogenesis. After ingestion of the carbohydrate load, metabolic rates rose similarly in both groups but fell earlier and more rapidly in the obese. RQs also rose rapidly and remained in the range of 0.95 to 1.00 for approximately 8 h in both groups. During this time, RQ exceeded 1.00 for only short periods of time with the result that 4 +/- 1 g and 5 +/- 3 g (NS) of fat were synthesized via de novo lipogenesis in excess of concomitant fat oxidation in the lean and obese subjects, respectively. Results demonstrate that net de novo lipid synthesis from an unusually large carbohydrate load is not greater in obese than in lean individuals.


Eur J Clin Nutr. 1999 Apr;53 Suppl 1:S53-65.
De novo lipogenesis in humans: metabolic and regulatory aspects.
Hellerstein MK1.
Author information

Abstract
The enzymatic pathway for converting dietary carbohydrate (CHO) into fat, or de novo lipogenesis (DNL), is present in humans, whereas the capacity to convert fats into CHO does not exist. Here, the quantitative importance of DNL in humans is reviewed, focusing on the response to increased intake of dietary CHO. Eucaloric replacement of dietary fat by CHO does not induce hepatic DNL to any substantial degree. Similarly, addition of CHO to a mixed diet does not increase hepatic DNL to quantitatively important levels, as long as CHO energy intake remains less than total energy expenditure (TEE). Instead, dietary CHO replaces fat in the whole-body fuel mixture, even in the post-absorptive state. Body fat is thereby accrued, but the pathway of DNL is not traversed; instead, a coordinated set of metabolic adaptations, including resistance of hepatic glucose production to suppression by insulin, occurs that allows CHO oxidation to increase and match CHO intake. Only when CHO energy intake exceeds TEE does DNL in liver or adipose tissue contribute significantly to the whole-body energy economy. It is concluded that DNL is not the pathway of first resort for added dietary CHO, in humans. Under most dietary conditions, the two major macronutrient energy sources (CHO and fat) are therefore not interconvertible currencies; CHO and fat have independent, though interacting, economies and independent regulation. The metabolic mechanisms and physiologic implications of the functional block between CHO and fat in humans are discussed, but require further investigation.
 
Here DD, let me help you out. These are two studies you posted earlier. Where does it say glucose isn't stored as fat? Take your time, I'll wait until you're done.


Am J Clin Nutr.
1987 Jan;45(1):78-85. Links
Carbohydrate metabolism and de novo lipogenesis in human obesity.

Acheson KJ, Schutz Y, Bessard T, Flatt JP, Jéquier E.
Respiratory exchange was measured during 14 consecutive hours in six lean and six obese individuals after ingestion of 500 g of dextrin maltose to investigate and compare their capacity for net de novo lipogenesis. After ingestion of the carbohydrate load, metabolic rates rose similarly in both groups but fell earlier and more rapidly in the obese. RQs also rose rapidly and remained in the range of 0.95 to 1.00 for approximately 8 h in both groups. During this time, RQ exceeded 1.00 for only short periods of time with the result that 4 +/- 1 g and 5 +/- 3 g (NS) of fat were synthesized via de novo lipogenesis in excess of concomitant fat oxidation in the lean and obese subjects, respectively. Results demonstrate that net de novo lipid synthesis from an unusually large carbohydrate load is not greater in obese than in lean individuals.


Eur J Clin Nutr. 1999 Apr;53 Suppl 1:S53-65.
De novo lipogenesis in humans: metabolic and regulatory aspects.
Hellerstein MK1.
Author information

Abstract
The enzymatic pathway for converting dietary carbohydrate (CHO) into fat, or de novo lipogenesis (DNL), is present in humans, whereas the capacity to convert fats into CHO does not exist. Here, the quantitative importance of DNL in humans is reviewed, focusing on the response to increased intake of dietary CHO. Eucaloric replacement of dietary fat by CHO does not induce hepatic DNL to any substantial degree. Similarly, addition of CHO to a mixed diet does not increase hepatic DNL to quantitatively important levels, as long as CHO energy intake remains less than total energy expenditure (TEE). Instead, dietary CHO replaces fat in the whole-body fuel mixture, even in the post-absorptive state. Body fat is thereby accrued, but the pathway of DNL is not traversed; instead, a coordinated set of metabolic adaptations, including resistance of hepatic glucose production to suppression by insulin, occurs that allows CHO oxidation to increase and match CHO intake. Only when CHO energy intake exceeds TEE does DNL in liver or adipose tissue contribute significantly to the whole-body energy economy. It is concluded that DNL is not the pathway of first resort for added dietary CHO, in humans. Under most dietary conditions, the two major macronutrient energy sources (CHO and fat) are therefore not interconvertible currencies; CHO and fat have independent, though interacting, economies and independent regulation. The metabolic mechanisms and physiologic implications of the functional block between CHO and fat in humans are discussed, but require further investigation.

Good you found them finally. Now go back and look to where I addressed the other poster and said it does happen just not to a clinically significant degree BEFORE Jim tried jumping into the convo with his "typo" lol
 
Like I said, always playing the victim. Grow the fuck up.

Mommy mommy, CBS told me to grow up. Waaaaaaaaaaaa.

Are you done yet? I'm not playing victim, I'm pointing out your discriminatory tactics which God forbid somebody used against Israel bc you'd be all over them but whatever. Playing victim means I was harmed, injured, duped, etc. None of those apply to me. You're more than welcome to your opinions CBS but remember this now when you call others anti-Semite bc I'll be quoting you for years to come with this beauty :)
 
Now go back and look to where I addressed the other poster and said it does happen just not to a clinically significant degree BEFORE Jim tried jumping into the convo with his "typo" lol

I saw where you said it, you just haven't proved it. Where's the evidence that supports your statement that "it does happen just not to a clinically significant degree?"

I'm not saying it does or doesn't. I have no interest in nutrition for bodybuilders so I don't follow the research. I just want to see you act like a man instead of a boy and support your argument or admit you're wrong and move on. It's not that big of a deal, Docd.
 
I saw where you said it, you just haven't proved it. Where's the evidence that supports your statement that "it does happen just not to a clinically significant degree?"

I'm not saying it does or doesn't. I have no interest in nutrition for bodybuilders so I don't follow the research. I just want to see you act like a man instead of a boy and support your argument or admit you're wrong and move on. It's not that big of a deal, Docd.

Abdul is grown man. He no boy. Look to study quote you from AJCN and study posted other poster by. No, you want Abdul to be proven wrong. Abdul not wrong here. Abdul show you. There two studies there
 
ou're more than welcome to your opinions CBS but remember this now when you call others anti-Semite bc I'll be quoting you for years to come with this beauty :)

I'm not too concerned, DD. Calling an Arab (Aramaic/Aramean) Abdul doesn't really compare to you posting Nazi Holocaust denial hate. It's quite a reach but you never know, some of Meso's moonbat crew might buy it. I mean, these idiots think OBL is an innocent victim. No doubt you do too. LMAO
 
I'm not too concerned, DD. Calling an Arab Abdul doesn't really compare to you posting Nazi Holocaust denial hate. It's quite a reach but you never know, some of Meso's moonbat crew might buy it. I mean, these idiots think OBL is an innocent victim. No doubt you do too. LMAO

Why would you be concerned? I mean posting something someone else wrote and calling someone names is obviously the same thing right? You toe a good line CBS, I'm sure you make some ppl proud somewhere.
 
Why would you be concerned? I mean posting something someone else wrote and calling someone names is obviously the same thing right? You toe a good line CBS, I'm sure you make some ppl proud somewhere.

Abdul is calling you names? LMFAO Okay, Docd, get your victim fix, I wont ruin it for you.
 
That's bc the degree of clinical significance is HIGHLY dependent upon several factors or provisions that DD fails to include in blanket statements of this nature.

Another example being "rats process carbohydrates VERY DIFFERENTLY than humans". This is the evidence being used to support the hypothetical garbage, "glucose being stored as fat is either a myth or it's not clinically relevant", wrong!

So all the reasoning behind people avoiding a diet high in simple carbs is also based on a myth and is not clinically significant. Really try that high carb diet and see if LFM does not change, lol!

It's just pure opinionated bullshit and whether it's clinically significant varies considerably on factors such as one's diet, activity and genetic disposition.
 
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Abdul is calling you names? LMFAO Okay, Docd, get your victim fix, I wont ruin it for you.

Is my name Abdul? Didn't think so.

Wait a minute CBS, you get to cry and weep about ad hominem and personal attacks in multiple threads on multiple occasions yet the second I call you out for doing the same thing I now want to fill my victim fix? Are you really this blind or willfully stupid?
 
That's bc the degree of clinical significance is HIGHLY dependent upon several factors or provisions that DD fails to include blanket statements of this nature.

Another example being "rats process carbohydrates VERY DIFFERENTLY than humans", this becomes the evidence to support the garbage it's derived from a myth or is not clinically relevant, wrong!

So all the reasoning behind people avoiding a diet high in simple carbs is also based on a myth and is not clinically significant. Really try that high carb diet and see if LFM does not change, lol!

It's just pure opinionated bullshit and whether it's clinically significant varies considerably on factors such as one's diet, activity and genetic disposition.

Still waiting for your evidence, docd... Tick tock

Jim, just substitute your name with my name in CBS' quote and while you're at the that apology that's owed to me for you being wrong....or should I say, in the words of your white knight CBS, for you making a typo lol
 
Wait a minute CBS, you get to cry and week about ad hominem and personal attacks in multiple threads on multiple occasions yet the second I call you out for doing the same thing I now want to fill my victim fix?

You're starting to figure it out. There might be hope for you yet, DD. Maybe you're not as dumb as you look.
 
Jim, just substitute your name with my name in CBS' quote and while you're at the that apology that's owed to me for you being wrong....or should I say, in the words of your white knight CBS, for you making a typo lol

The only one wrong here is you but you're not man enough to admit it. Not that I expected anything more from you.
 
You're starting to figure it out. There might be hope for you yet, DD. Maybe you're not as dumb as you look.

My my CBS. If your panties are cutting off circulation to your brain just take them off. No need to get mad at others brother for it. In Jim's outside voice:

TAKE THE PANTIES OFF CBS
 
The only one wrong here is you but you're not man enough to admit it. Not that I expected anything more from you.

Now now CBS stop making excuses for your butt buddy and vilifying me. If I made a mistake then he made a mistake. You claim he made a typo so I guess I made a typo too. Boohoo
 

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