Is This Too Much As A First Cycle And Why?

[Boilermech]

Why run the oral at the end of the cycle? I'm using to kickstart the cycle.

With dianabol you can run it at the beginning. With var it's more used when cutting or for women because it's weak. At least what we seem to get now days is weak. And also I suggested you take out the liv protectant because var is very mild as far as liver toxicity goes. Now that your kickstarting with dbol you can use one but as long as you run it for only 4 weeks you'll be fine. I've taken liver protectants before and don't notice a difference when I only run short bursts like 4 weeks, but it won't hurt any.
Also you need to get pre-cycle bloodwork done and mid cycle bloods so you can keep an eye on things. Good luck
BM

 

[Boilermech]

The cyp only has 70mg of actual testosterone in a 100mg dosage while 83mg for the proprinate so I believe I will be better of with it.

The amount of test in each ml depends on the person making it.

 

[ZerotoHero]

With dianabol you can run it at the beginning. With var it's more used when cutting or for women because it's weak. At least what we seem to get now days is weak. And also I suggested you take out the liv protectant because var is very mild as far as liver toxicity goes. Now that your kickstarting with dbol you can use one but as long as you run it for only 4 weeks you'll be fine. I've taken liver protectants before and don't notice a difference when I only run short bursts like 4 weeks, but it won't hurt any.
Also you need to get pre-cycle bloodwork done and mid cycle bloods so you can keep an eye on things. Good luck
BM

That costs a lot... I'm only working a part time job so just affording the cycle is a lot for me.

 

[ZerotoHero]

The amount of test in each ml depends on the person making it.

If it is diffrent than 82mg in a 100mg dosage then it is not Testosterone P.

 

[XKawN]

With a short ester like prop you don't need a kickstart. Your oral (kickstart) and injectable (prop) will pretty much kick in close to the same time defeating the purpose of a kickstart. So ratber than a pointless kickstart you can run the oral the last 4 to 5 weeks of your cycle to finish strong. Average beginner cycle for prop is 100mg eod so you can see 250mg eod is extreme for a biginner. Pinning eod doesn't seem like it now, but it's very tedious and will wear you out so to speak, but doable if your dedicated. I'd go 8 week prop @ 100mg eod and 50mg winnie the last 5 weeks. Wait a day and run 40, 40, 20, 20 of nolva. Running hcg and a clomid plus nolva pct is over kill for a short cycle. If it was a big cycle you could run the hcg starting week 3 and run It through your stasis period with a 4 week 50mg clomid and 20mg nolva, but that's for a big cycle.

 

[Boilermech]

That costs a lot... I'm only working a part time job so just affording the cycle is a lot for me.

Bloodwork is around $50. If I were you I would save enough money to have your bloodwork done. It's for your own wellbeing. Also if your only working part time how do you afford all your food. I spend way more on food than gear.
Ok I have to ask. What are your stats? Age, height, weight, training history, etc...

 

[MikeSz]

I also did a similar cycle just with test prop 150 mg/EOD and 0.5 mg anastrozole EOD.(for 8 weeks)
Didn't use any hcg during the cycle, and I never did shutdown.
250 mg of prop is A LOT.Prop has higher test ratio than test e or test c.
The prop will really kick in 4-5 days after first injection,untill then is just placebo
After you stab your leg/ass/shoulder ALWAYS aspirate,I didn't do that just once and for 5 minutes I tought I was going to die form the coughing.

DIET,SLEEP,TRAINING is 500% more important than gear.If you do not have a solid diet,no steroid will give you good results.

Thats my 50 c.

Good luck and have fun !

 

[Boilermech]

If it is diffrent than 82mg in a 100mg dosage then it is not Testosterone P.

You do realize that 1ml of testosterone Enanthate will give you 180mg of free testosterone and 1ml of Propionate will only give you 83mg.

 

[Michael Scally MD]

I'm planing to lower the dosage if I ever see any really bad side effects.

Not optimal by any measure. PCT is overkill. I no longer suggest that hCG dosing.

 

[rugerjitsu]

The cyp only has 70mg of actual testosterone in a 100mg dosage while 83mg for the proprinate so I believe I will be better of with it.

Are you saying the Cyp that's available for you is not dosed at 200mg/ml??

 

[mands]

Are you saying the Cyp that's available for you is not dosed at 200mg/ml??

He talking about the actual availability of test per mg. with a specific ester.

mands

 

[rugerjitsu]

He talking about the actual availability of test per mg. with a specific ester.

mands

If that's the case, i think he's missing my point. My point was that the dosage he was looking at (250mg eod) would require 2.5cc's eod of prop vs. a little over 1cc eod with enanthate or cyp.

Plus, i believe with Cyp or Enanthate would stabalize with eod injections a little quicker than prop...could be wrong there.

At the end of the day, it's up to him...but the amount of oil is always a factor in my cycles.

 

[mands]

I think he's missed everyone's point. That's why I stopped posting. He seems to have his mind set for the most part.

mands

 

[Colt44]

I think he's missed everyone's point. That's why I stopped posting. He seems to have his mind set for the most part.

mands

I'm kinda curious to see the 250mg TP eod newb cycle. Could get interesting.

 

[Colt44]

Double post

 

[naturalkon]

I'm kinda curious to see the 250mg TP eod newb cycle. Could get interesting.

I did 150mg prop Ed for my first cycle. Felt like I was hit by a baseball bat in each on of my legs. This kid is an idiot. I wanna see him do it.

 

[Big_paul]

Not optimal by any measure. PCT is overkill. I no longer suggest that hCG dosing.

What is the optimal use of hcg Doc?

 

[Big_paul]

Are you saying the Cyp that's available for you is not dosed at 200mg/ml??

Thats takeing into account the weight of the ester.

Test prop 80% test.
Test e 71
Test cyp around the same, but much more solvent.

 

[naturalkon]

I did 150mg prop Ed for my first cycle. Felt like I was hit by a baseball bat in each on of my legs. This kid is an idiot. I wanna see him do it.

That was supposed to be eod

 

[naturalkon]

Not optimal by any measure. PCT is overkill. I no longer suggest that hCG dosing.

What do you suggest these days for hcg after long suppressive cycles. Last I saw was 2000iu eod. Has it changed again?