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Docd187123 said:
Clean and jerks done properly are not good mass builders. They are a great lift but if you're looking for mass look elsewhere
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I'm not looking to do them properly per say. I think with the mass of the upper body all working in unison more so than the bench press. I would absolutely say I should pack on dense lean muscle in the shoulders, triceps and back as all are used maximally to move the weight
 
gr8whitetrukker said:
I'm not looking to do them properly per say. I think with the mass of the upper body all working in unison more so than the bench press. I would absolutely say I should pack on dense lean muscle in the shoulders, triceps and back as all are used maximally to move the weight
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The Olympic lifts are meant to be performed for extreme speed. By nature of the lift you cannot and should not do hem slowly or you lose most of the benefit. Bc of this you need to use them for low reps not high reps. Cleans shouldn't be done for more than 5reps in a set and that's pushing it. Trips, doubles and singles are a much better choice. Working with that low volume per set makes them a poor mass lift.
 
Docd187123 said:
Clean and jerks done properly are not good mass builders. They are a great lift but if you're looking for mass look elsewhere
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Maybe not a good mass builder for trukker...someone that's already a pretty well developed BB. But would you agree if you took a kid in HS with no experience and threw him into a fullbody olympic routine he would grow at a faster rate than the undeveloped athlete that focuses on a 5day body split with isolation?

I've seen string beans get thick quick. Different kind of thick, idk if that makes sense

EDIT: def agree with everything you said above as well. The olympic lifts are the premier exercises to develop explosiveness and fast twitch. You see improvements in your 40, vertical jump, broad jump etc without much change in the mirror. Dynamic strength training and conditioning is going to revolve around athletic performance.
 
TANGO.ECHO.KILO said:
Maybe not a good mass builder for trukker...someone that's already a pretty well developed BB. But would you agree if you took a kid in HS with no experience and threw him into a fullbody olympic routine he would grow at a faster rate than the undeveloped athlete that focuses on a 5day body split with isolation?

I've seen string beans get thick quick. Different kind of thick, idk if that makes sense
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For sure I'd rather have ppl do full body workouts and Olympic lifts with good coaching and I agree a new guy will get bigger. But a new guy will get bigger from anything he does. He's that maladapted to training that almost any stimulus will spurt growth. The issue I have with Oly lifts for mass though, like I said in the previous post, is they must be done for low reps to maintain the explosive aspect of the lift. Low reps (<3) will not benefit much in terms of growth. In terms of acceleration, explosion, power, Nd strength yes I do love them
 
Docd187123 said:
For sure I'd rather have ppl do full body workouts and Olympic lifts with good coaching and I agree a new guy will get bigger. But a new guy will get bigger from anything he does. He's that maladapted to training that almost any stimulus will spurt growth. The issue I have with Oly lifts for mass though, like I said in the previous post, is they must be done for low reps to maintain the explosive aspect of the lift. Low reps (<3) will not benefit much in terms of growth. In terms of acceleration, explosion, power, Nd strength yes I do love them
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as evident by more overly developed traps and baby arms
...example a :(:(:(
 
Docd187123 said:
For sure I'd rather have ppl do full body workouts and Olympic lifts with good coaching and I agree a new guy will get bigger. But a new guy will get bigger from anything he does. He's that maladapted to training that almost any stimulus will spurt growth. The issue I have with Oly lifts for mass though, like I said in the previous post, is they must be done for low reps to maintain the explosive aspect of the lift. Low reps (<3) will not benefit much in terms of growth. In terms of acceleration, explosion, power, Nd strength yes I do love them
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soooo uhhh whatcha think about "crossfit"? @Docd187123 :D:D:D

How bout we do as many reps as we can in a minute? No wait, let's do as many reps as we can in a minute then do 40 snatches, then seizure on the pull-up bar for 20 1/4 reps and...let's make it interesting....fuck form how bout we see who can do it the fastest???
 
Docd187123 said:
The Olympic lifts are meant to be performed for extreme speed. By nature of the lift you cannot and should not do hem slowly or you lose most of the benefit. Bc of this you need to use them for low reps not high reps. Cleans shouldn't be done for more than 5reps in a set and that's pushing it. Trips, doubles and singles are a much better choice. Working with that low volume per set makes them a poor mass lift.
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Well here is the logic.
1)the lift starts as a heavy upright row
2)moves to heavy front press

Both the upright row and front press are known and accepted mass builders in any bb diet. Endorsed by my two favorites Arnold and Ferrigno. I will be performing them in reps 6 or under. I'm not doing them in olympic form I was just looking to pick up hints in to eh hum cheat them in to position or as an olympic lifter would say technique. As I'm using muscle to move them. In the way I do it. It really just is an upright row followed by a press developing the delts and triceps alike
 
gr8whitetrukker said:
Well here is the logic.
1)the lift starts as a heavy upright row
2)moves to heavy front press

Both the upright row and front press are known and accepted mass builders in any bb diet. Endorsed by my two favorites Arnold and Ferrigno. I will be performing them in reps 6 or under. I'm not doing them in olympic form I was just looking to pick up hints in to eh hum cheat them in to position or as an olympic lifter would say technique. As I'm using muscle to move them. In the way I do it. It really just is an upright row followed by a press developing the delts and triceps alike
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I did something similar to this last shoulder day. Basically 1 rep was clean and 2 presses. Absolutely destroyed my shoulders.
 
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