Big ramy's cycle...

[Wunderpus]

I have one question, what's the point after one or two cycle were you assess your tolerance to test, ai and all the other stuff, to keep using low dose?

I'll try to explain better.
For example: I'm 6'1" and I want to be around 220lbs at 10%, that's my first goal.
I have dialed in my AI and I have done 3 cycles. So I'm no expert but I'm no noob as well.

Now I can still grow on 500mg test week, for sure, but what's the point? Why not shot straight 1 gram a week and grow more. It's just because the body can gain only such amount of muscle and I'll just waste the gear, because body will not be able to maintain the muscle when I come off, before the next cycle?

I'm planning my next cycle and I don't know if it would be better to just do another 500mg week for 12 weeks, or up the dose.

I think it largely depends on your long term goals.

Age? If you're on TRT I think it changes everything. I'll post a system that has been effective, but it's largely intended for someone who isn't worried about a complete shutdown.

I would taper up. Start at your 500mg's/week and slowly taper up, maybe 200mg's/week every 3 or 4 weeks for 6 months (you can also throw in various compounds, alternating them every 6 weeks or so).

In regards to an AI, I have found that I need 1MG/day if I run ~2000mg's/week of aromatizing compounds. It's a complicated system, but I really narrowed that down for myself. That was largely based on bloods and how I felt/looked.

 

[cobra500]

Dorian Yates has posted his cycles and been open that he's tried higher amounts and saw no benefits in gains. Imo, he's a no bullshit guy, had even mentioned trying certain drugs non-aas. No one believes him.
Point is no one will ever know what he's taking and even if he did tell the truth people wouldn't believe it anyways.
Genetics is the biggest factor in these guys and very few if anyone have the genetics. So people that expect to reach that level and can't blame it on them taking more aas.

 

[Wunderpus]

Dorian Yates has posted his cycles and been open that he's tried higher amounts and saw no benefits in gains. Imo, he's a no bullshit guy, had even mentioned trying certain drugs non-aas. No one believes him.
Point is no one will ever know what he's taking and even if he did tell the truth people wouldn't believe it anyways.
Genetics is the biggest factor in these guys and very few if anyone have the genetics. So people that expect to reach that level and can't blame it on them taking more aas.

Keep in mind, all pros will deny, deny, deny. You know why? They will lose their sponsorships.

There is such a phenomenon as telling a non-truth, that seems believable and somewhat credible, in order to make others believe you didn't take 15G's of drugs a week (deflection). There is a 0.00001% chance Dorian had the genetics to be that monster without grams on top of grams of drugs. Don't get me wrong, I bet he could've looked good on far less shit, but he wouldn't be remembered the was he is.

The supplement companies want you to believe Kai Greene is that big by taking Carnivor and adding brown rice to his diet

If more people knew that supplements add MAYBE 5% to your overall performance (natural athletes I would say it adds more), very few people would be buying all those fancy supplements.

 

[Whoremoans]

I like the way Dana Lin Bailey said it on the bodybuilding forums a while back. Something along the lines of "I don't take steroids, but if I did I wouldn't be able to admit it because I would lose sponsorships". Still lying but kind of being truthful. Kinda.

 

[cobra500]

Yates has nothing to lose, hasn't for 10+ years, he gave out the details within the last 5 years. So has Levrone, Shawn Ray won't talk numbers and I don't respect him for that. Ronnie weighed in the 230's before he even began aas. Imo genetics makes up 60%, aas 25%, diet and training 15%.

 

[Wunderpus]

Yates has nothing to lose, hasn't for 10+ years, he gave out the details within the last 5 years. So has Levrone, Shawn Ray won't talk numbers and I don't respect him for that. Ronnie weighed in the 230's before he even began aas. Imo genetics makes up 60%, aas 25%, diet and training 15%.

He has his own line of supplements. Also, he does have a lot to lose! By admitting high AAS levels, in a way, he's taking away his personal accomplishments. He wants people to believe it was all hard work and genetics. That's a much better legacy.

It's no different than Lee Priest saying he hasn't ever used synthol. Haha, come on.

Where is your evidence to support Coleman was 230 before AAS? 230 without drugs isn't unheard of, though.

 

[Whoremoans]

I mean fuck what does Greg Valentino have to lose and he still denies synthol lol.

 

[evarthecaveman]

Lee has nothing to lose and admitted to astound 750 mg test tren and winny. 2 or 3 cycles a year, AND HE CAME OFF. GENETICS. if it takes a gram of gear to weigh 220 this shit isn't for you

 

[Whoremoans]

Lee has nothing to lose and admitted to astound 750 mg test tren and winny. 2 or 3 cycles a year, AND HE CAME OFF. GENETICS. if it takes a gram of gear to weigh 220 this shit isn't for you

I honestly can't wait to see your first cycle log. You have one helluva natural base.

 

[Wunderpus]

Lee has nothing to lose and admitted to astound 750 mg test tren and winny. 2 or 3 cycles a year, AND HE CAME OFF. GENETICS. if it takes a gram of gear to weigh 220 this shit isn't for you

I think that's largely understated. I've been around the block with AAS, and I know a ton of people who have. Lee is a tiny dude, but, I still doubt that's all he took.

 

[Wunderpus]

Also, if that's all he did take, good for him. Some people respond to AAS better than others. I have friends who train with me, take comparable amounts of gear, and I know diet well, that just don't achieve the same results. Some better, some worse. It's just the way she goes.

 

[evarthecaveman]

I'm not bragging I'm just staying I'm 6'0 245-250 and fairly lean.. With no aas use. Genetics play the role. The greatest would still be the greatest without the aas. Lee has no reason to lie and he was short but far from tiny.. Best arms in the biz.

 

[evarthecaveman]

I honestly can't wait to see your first cycle log. You have one helluva natural base.

I appreciate that bro.

 

[Wunderpus]

I'm not bragging I'm just staying I'm 6'0 245-250 and fairly lean.. With no aas use. Genetics play the role. The greatest would still be the greatest without the aas. Lee has no reason to lie and he was short but far from tiny.. Best arms in the biz.

His arms are insane, we agree. But without synthol/pmma (IDK which he used, hard to tell, they look so odd now) they wouldn't have been as impressive. I think they looked great when he was younger, and was on minimal gear and no SEO. Now, he looks fucked.

And, Lee is short as hell man, that is an advantage.

*It's impossible to figure out whether or not the greatest would be the greatest without drugs. As, no one who steps on that stage is natural.

 

[evarthecaveman]

His arms are insane, we agree. But without synthol/pmma (IDK which he used, hard to tell, they look so odd now) they wouldn't have been as impressive. I think they looked great when he was younger, and was on minimal gear and no SEO. Now, he looks fucked.

And, Lee is short as hell man, that is an advantage.

*It's impossible to figure out whether or not the greatest would be the greatest without drugs. As, no one who steps on that stage is natural.

I think he's sustained a few injuries and as far as I know he never used synthol. He actually recently said he's off trt completely and sometimes uses peptides. The dude is a genetic freak. Best looking young build I've ever seen from 15-20

 

[Wunderpus]

Take a look at this, and decide if those are truly well developed arms, or have been "enhanced"

 

[Wunderpus]

I think he's sustained a few injuries and as far as I know he never used synthol. He actually recently said he's off trt completely and sometimes uses peptides. The dude is a genetic freak. Best looking young build I've ever seen from 15-20

I agree. When he was young, he was awesome. I respect the guy a lot, I do. I actually use a lot of his training methods to this day.

But, his arms are full of something man.

 

[Wunderpus]

Here's lee's arm again. Clearly he's off season, but, the roundness and the fullness is a COMPLETE indicator he is using SEO-

 

[evarthecaveman]

I take him for his word I don't see why he would lie about synthol and not aas and peptides.. His arms are full but to be fair they're extremely short with GREAT muscle bellies.. No one will ever know but him I suppose

 

[Wunderpus]

I take him for his word I don't see why he would lie about synthol and not aas and peptides.. His arms are full but to be fair they're extremely short with GREAT muscle bellies.. No one will ever know but him I suppose

Absolutely. I'm not sure if he reps a peptide company or not. But, most peptides are garbage anyway. He's still pretty big, and seems to vary a lot in regards to leanness, so I'm sure he's still on a ton of gear. Could be wrong