tell me about free testosterone

[MANWHORE]

I see a lot of bloods but everyone is concerned about total test and not so much free test ..
I feel I make better gains with less AAS could this be because with higher doses my SHBG raises so much it binds more test and there is less free ..

I thought the 2,000 was total test from low dose prop but now I am told it was free test ..
Does anyone have any bloods for free test so I can see what they are ?

Thank You

 

[rpbb]

I'll be interested in this as well. I was always told free test was the important number

 

[MANWHORE]

Yes and I'd be more interested in lowering SHBG rather than raising my Prop dose ..
320mg raw prop giving 2,000 free test seemed a little high but maybe that's normal ..
I'm not sure what free test should be but I'm gonna search now

 

[Docd187123]

I see a lot of bloods but everyone is concerned about total test and not so much free test ..
I feel I make better gains with less AAS could this be because with higher doses my SHBG raises so much it binds more test and there is less free ..

I thought the 2,000 was total test from low dose prop but now I am told it was free test ..
Does anyone have any bloods for free test so I can see what they are ?

Thank You

Supraphysiological doses will lower SHBG not raise it and you'll have more TT so more free test as a result.

 

[MANWHORE]

He must be talking about total test at 2,000 cause free doesn't make sense but he keeps saying free ..

I always thought increased doses raise SHBG up to a set level and this is why guys do 2-3 grams a week to pass that point ..

So your saying testosterone injections lower SHBG?
You sure about that?

 

[Docd187123]

I'm saying raising test levels will lower SHBG and I'm pretty sure about it. I think Dr. Scally or Bill Roberts may have mentioned it somewhere here.

 

[MANWHORE]

O OK I always read different back many years ago ..
I always thought high test levels block cort receptors causing higher Cortisol which eats muscle after cycle and high SHBG which shows itself also after cycle ..

I thought these were reasons why so much is lost before natural test comes back up

 

[T_L]

My latest bloods
Total test 21nmol/L
Free test 500pmol/L
SHBG 22nmol/L

I think this converts to:
TT 606 ng/dl
FT 136 pg/ml

Not 100% sure on the conversion but the top set are how it's printed on my results.

 

[Onterrible]

O OK I always read different back many years ago ..
I always thought high test levels block cort receptors causing higher Cortisol which eats muscle after cycle and high SHBG which shows itself also after cycle ..

I thought these were reasons why so much is lost before natural test comes back up

im pretty sure higher test levels block cortisol production, hence the constant anabolic effect.

 

[RaveHead]

O OK I always read different back many years ago ..
I always thought high test levels block cort receptors causing higher Cortisol which eats muscle after cycle and high SHBG which shows itself also after cycle ..

I thought these were reasons why so much is lost before natural test comes back up

Manwhore. I just discovered something interesting. Not only does testosterone/aas block glucocorticoid receptors (blocking action of cortisol on muscle), but high levels of test also decrease the amount of cortisol produced by the body. So it's not directly an elevated level of cortisol that causes muscle loss post cycle, but rather the higher ratio of cortisol to testosterone once your test levels plummet. I actually did keep most all muscle gains post cycle without running pct. All i did was use a small anavar bridge (15mg/day). I dropped some water weight but that was all. Check this link (cortisol study)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15841103

 

[RaveHead]

One question i do have is this. I know winny causes joint discomfort. If you run enough test/deca with the winny, you still experience joint discomfort from the winny?

 

[MANWHORE]

If you run Deca or NPP
With Winny I say no way in hell do your joints ache

 

[Docd187123]

One question i do have is this. I know winny causes joint discomfort. If you run enough test/deca with the winny, you still experience joint discomfort from the winny?

Deca and NPP are generally enough to keep the joint discomfort away from winny

 

[Haunch]

I thought free test is what your body produces naturally because you don't have to pay for that