Operation Cyber Juice

[mmmiron]

I dont know if its related but a friend told me tonite a guy in my small town just got bust for steroids. said he was get them from china. i told him the raws all come.from china . he said it wasnt in our local wednesday paper. its all hush hush right now. hes kind of a big wig in town. very well known. its just with cyber juice going down and hearing this i guess it could be.related but dont know.

Common theme seems to be focused around raws from China and/or sources that dabble with recs. I'd be interested to know if anyone has heard of end users getting busted over the last 4-6 months since this op started.

 

[Supermansson11]

Common theme seems to be focused around raws from China and/or sources that dabble with recs. I'd be interested to know if anyone has heard of end users getting busted over the last 4-6 months since this op started.

Not to much to update as new info.but all the bust pics.were interesting.one of the biggest they took down was hulk.it was a long time coming.

 

[Ozzy619]

DEA will get all the drug trafficking thugs!! Steroids are dangerous to the public. Was reading on their website about a case of a 17 year old that killed himself during "PCT." PCT kills!

That kid had other mental issues and wasnt taking his meds. Of course they didnt mention that fact.

 

[super8]

I still haven't seen a list released. I've been checking since the news broke. I know for sure there is:

Hulk Labs
Big D

You can probably add Superior Labs to that list.

 

[Sworder]

That kid had other mental issues and wasnt taking his meds. Of course they didnt mention that fact.

So you think it was the meds/lack of meds to blame? It's funny with these type of situations of what to blame shit on. If the lack of meds were to blame it is safe to say that everybody that quits taking their meds commit suicide? No, we know that the % of people who quit meds are more likely to commit suicide. Now why don't all people commit suicide? Because people are different, again focus on the person.. How about he was just suicidal, and the PCT & lack of medication had nothing to do with it?
It's like with people that go on rampages and kill people. Blame it on the drugs, blame it on the gun he used but never blame the person and accept he was a psycho? I am more about personal responsibility and not blaming it on any or anything other than the person. The person was the one that chose to not take his meds and the person was the one to choose to do the cycle. The person was the one to decide to commit suicide.

There was a big argument in the media in my field of work about this crap that's why I have a lot to say about it

 

[Ozzy619]

So you think it was the meds/lack of meds to blame? It's funny with these type of situations of what to blame shit on. If the lack of meds were to blame it is safe to say that everybody that quits taking their meds commit suicide? No, we know that the % of people who quit meds are more likely to commit suicide. Now why don't all people commit suicide? Because people are different, again focus on the person.. How about he was just suicidal, and the PCT & lack of medication had nothing to do with it?
It's like with people that go on rampages and kill people. Blame it on the drugs, blame it on the gun he used but never blame the person and accept he was a psycho? I am more about personal responsibility and not blaming it on any or anything other than the person. The person was the one that chose to not take his meds and the person was the one to choose to do the cycle. The person was the one to decide to commit suicide.

There was a big argument in the media in my field of work about this crap that's why I have a lot to say about it

If youre referring to taylor hooton, the person that Im referring to, there was no pct. They also state that he was "in withdrawal of steroids" which is a ridicous statement. A mentally ill person should not use aas, neither should a 17yr old boy thats still developing. Do I blame his suicide on steroids, no, but they make one hell of a scapegoat for parents in denial.

 

[Sworder]

If youre referring to taylor hooton, the person that Im referring to, there was no pct. They also state that he was "in withdrawal of steroids" which is a ridicous statement. A mentally ill person should not use aas, neither should a 17yr old boy thats still developing. Do I blame his suicide on steroids, no, but they make one hell of a scapegoat for parents in denial.

Yes, Taylor hooton. PCT is after you are done with a steroid cycle when your body is recovering to regain it's natural production. It hasn't been stated if he was taking nolva however I would call it PCT when he committed suicide.

I understand you are not blaming steroids, my question was if you feel it is the meds he wasn't taking that was the cause of death? Or was it a personal choice he made and the person is responsible for his actions?

 

[Ozzy619]

Yes, Taylor hooton. PCT is after you are done with a steroid cycle when your body is recovering to regain it's natural production. It hasn't been stated if he was taking nolva however I would call it PCT when he committed suicide.

I understand you are not blaming steroids, my question was if you feel it is the meds he wasn't taking that was the cause of death? Or was it a personal choice he made and the person is responsible for his actions?

In the documentary Bigger, Faster, Stronger they interview his dad and his dad states his doctor had him quit abruptly (deca, anadrol) without taking anything, Ive never heard him taking nolva before. Imo suicide is always a personal choice but that choice can be clouded with certain variables. In taylors case I believe he had mental issues, was crying out for attention and the abrupt end didnt make the situation any better.

Ive known a few people that have committed suicide, all had clouded judgment. One person shot himself while high and drunk. Knew a lady that hung herself that suffered from depression. Knew a kid in school that killed himself after a breakup. Overall I dont believe anyone in their right mind would kill themself.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

So you think it was the meds/lack of meds to blame?

It was depression that was to blame, no doubt exacerbated by ASIH.

It's funny with these type of situations of what to blame shit on. If the lack of meds were to blame it is safe to say that everybody that quits taking their meds commit suicide? No, we know that the % of people who quit meds are more likely to commit suicide.

And what is the "% of people who quit meds are more likely to commit suicide"? Do you have data or are you talking out of your ass again. (rhetorical)

Now why don't all people commit suicide? Because people are different, again focus on the person.. How about he was just suicidal, and the pct & lack of medication had nothing to do with it?

We don't know if the lack of PCT had anything to do with it. We do know that ASIH is associated with depression and depression is associated with suicide. It's entirely possible - perhaps likely - that if ASIH was taken seriously by the medical profession, and if he had received treatment that addressed the ASIH, he would still be here today.

It's like with people that go on rampages and kill people. Blame it on the drugs, blame it on the gun he used but never blame the person and accept he was a psycho? I am more about personal responsibility and not blaming it on any or anything other than the person. The person was the one that chose to not take his meds and the person was the one to choose to do the cycle. The person was the one to decide to commit suicide.

What are you babbling about? I don't care what you're "more about." He didn't choose not to address the ASIH and "not to take" his PCT meds. It was his physicians who did that.

There was a big argument in the media in my field of work about this crap that's why I have a lot to say about it

What does the "big argument in the media about this crap" have to do with your field? CVS cashiers only need concern themselves with smiling at customers and balancing their cash at the end of their shift. I hope you're not claiming to be an expert in psychiatric disorders because you've proven that you know even less about that "field" than you do anabolic steroids.

 

[Sworder]

I hope you're not claiming to be an expert in psychiatric disorders because you've proven that you know even less about that "field" than you do anabolic steroids.

No, I am not an expert about psychiatric disorders. The question is about responsibly and blame. Once again you jump in without comprehending what I mean.
Dumbing it down, do you blame:
A. The Person and his choices
B. The lack of psych drugs
C. AAS

It's a very common question and it usually looks like this:
John Doe shoots 7 people while being on drugs.
The blame is to put on:
1. The person
2. The gun
3. The drugs

I chose to blame the person in any which case, there are contributing factors that are usually blamed however in the end it is the individual to blame for it IMO!

You start opening a can of worms if you are placing too much emphasis on a contributing factor..

Overall I dont believe anyone in their right mind would kill themself.

I disagree ;D

 

[zardoz1]

In the documentary Bigger, Faster, Stronger they interview his dad and his dad states his doctor had him quit abruptly (deca, anadrol) without taking anything, Ive never heard him taking nolva before. Imo suicide is always a personal choice but that choice can be clouded with certain variables. In taylors case I believe he had mental issues, was crying out for attention and the abrupt end didnt make the situation any better.

Ive known a few people that have committed suicide, all had clouded judgment. One person shot himself while high and drunk. Knew a lady that hung herself that suffered from depression. Knew a kid in school that killed himself after a breakup. Overall I dont believe anyone in their right mind would kill themself.

also in the documentary the boy stopped taking his anti depressants. but the father and big pharma said that had nothing to do with it. steroids are just plain bad.

 

[Sworder]

also in the documentary the boy stopped taking his anti depressants. but the father and big pharma said that had nothing to do with it. steroids are just plain bad.

Steroids are "plain bad" for certain people. That is true!

One can argue that truthfully about many things. McDonalds...

 

[Mike Oxbig]

No, I am not an expert about psychiatric disorders. The question is about responsibly and blame. Once again you jump in without comprehending what I mean.
Dumbing it down, do you blame:
A. The Person and his choices
B. The lack of psych drugs
C. AAS

It's a very common question and it usually looks like this:
John Doe shoots 7 people while being on drugs.
The blame is to put on:
1. The person
2. The gun
3. The drugs

I chose to blame the person in any which case, there are contributing factors that are usually blamed however in the end it is the individual to blame for it IMO!

You start opening a can of worms if you are placing too much emphasis on a contributing factor..


I disagree ;D

You blame the medical professionals responsible for his care in the event that he

a. sought treatment
b. was a proper candidate for treatment
c. failed to receive it

This isn't rocket science. I would of assumed an AAS expert such as yourself would of heard about the Taylor Hooton story prior to now.

 

[Ozzy619]

also in the documentary the boy stopped taking his anti depressants. but the father and big pharma said that had nothing to do with it. steroids are just plain bad.

Yea I seen that too, there was an obvious back story that his parents didnt want out. Its alot easier to place the blame on evil steroids than place the blame on a mental illness. I feel bad for the kids dad, but he is off his rocker.

When I was in high school all the football players were taking 1AD and m1t (way before the ban) and a few dudes were taking injectables. We didnt know shit about pct. None of us killed anybody and we were all fine even after taking shit. This is how I know this story in complete bullshit.

 

[Ozzy619]

No, I am not an expert about psychiatric disorders. The question is about responsibly and blame. Once again you jump in without comprehending what I mean.
Dumbing it down, do you blame:
A. The Person and his choices
B. The lack of psych drugs
C. AAS

It's a very common question and it usually looks like this:
John Doe shoots 7 people while being on drugs.
The blame is to put on:
1. The person
2. The gun
3. The drugs

I chose to blame the person in any which case, there are contributing factors that are usually blamed however in the end it is the individual to blame for it IMO!

You start opening a can of worms if you are placing too much emphasis on a contributing factor..


I disagree ;D

Have you ever been drunk and made poor decisions you regretted the next day? I know I have. I wasnt in my right mind and my senses were clouded. This goes for drugs and mental illness alike.

 

[Sworder]

Have you ever been drunk and made poor decisions you regretted the next day? I know I have. I wasnt in my right mind and my senses were clouded. This goes for drugs and mental illness alike.

YES AND IT IS MY FUCKING FAULT NOT THE ALCOHOL!!!!!!!!

In my opinion

 

[Sworder]

You blame the medical professionals responsible for his care in the event that he

a. sought treatment
b. was a proper candidate for treatment
c. failed to receive it

This isn't rocket science. I would of assumed an AAS expert such as yourself would of heard about the Taylor Hooton story prior to now.

So there was no other physicians that want to put him on meds? Lol that sounds like something from a fairy tale... A doc that doesn't want to prescribe meds... He must have gone to plenty..

 

[Ozzy619]

YES AND IT IS MY FUCKING FAULT NOT THE ALCOHOL!!!!!!!!

In my opinion

You should drink with me one night in mexico, Ill have your mind changed when we wake up the next day in a mexican jail with tranny hookers and a nice case of clap. Id like to blame shit like that on the alcohol.

 

[Sworder]

You should drink with me one night in mexico, Ill have your mind changed when we wake up the next day in a mexican jail with tranny hookers and a nice case of clap. Id like to blame shit like that on the alcohol.

You live in 619 I live in 858 lets go to TJ!!! Hong kong!!!

 

[Ozzy619]

You live in 619 I live in 858 lets go to TJ!!! Hong kong!!!

Let me ask my wife