The New lil BIG Guy

Hello everyone,

I'm a 37 yr old male that has been lifting since 13 on and off. I was the type that would get into shape better then the average person become content, stop, and gain weight. It was a vicious cycle that I had to end because the bounce back was taking longer and longer. Well in 2012 I did a life change and implemented healthy eating and a continuing regime unless injury occurred. I've been doing really good too. I'm just getting over tendinitis of the elbow both tennis and golfer. Had to take 3 months off and it killed me. After much thought I decided to take it to the next level because I want to max out my genetics. Well I have a co worker who has been talking to me about anobolics. It was something I always wanted to do but liked being natural. Well I have recently crossed over to the anobolics world starting off from what I have read as some of the right way. Actually I may have messed up a little. He suggested me take deca and test e for my first cycle. He said that deca will help my elbow because of its lubercating properties. Doing research I read that it's good to get a baseline of your tests levels. So I did that first. I decided not to do both deca and test because if I had problems I wouldn't be able to pin point it. So I started with a low does of 250mg e5d I'll be doing it for 10 weeks I'm 2 weeks in. Well the guy that advised me say he has run many cycles but has ever used a PCT. He says he has never used more then 2 ml in a week. I plan to do the same but all bodies are different so I'm worried about my PCT. He said no one he knows has, but all I read is how you really need it. I know I'm going to hear it for not properly preparing myself. I'm not havin any problems but I just starting so it's to early to tell and my dose are very low from my research. I know no one can give me a reliable creditable source especially being a new person and I have read enough that I will only value well known members when it comes to this. So I'm just hoping to build the confidence on this forum to get an invite to something reliable but I know that will take time. I'm a father of 2 boys that mean the world to me and getting in trouble isn't an option so I have to proceed with caution. I have a good source for all I need except PCT. How did I get so lucky to have a source that doesn't value PCT. I'm just trying to make sure I'm always working down there because without that no of this is worth it lol. I'm really hoping to find some help eventually. Until then I'm researching my butt off. Hope everyone is having a good one and I thank you for allowing me to be apart of MESO.
 
New guy to new guy Welcome to Meso! Tons of fantastic info and people to learn from on this forum! PCT is extremely easy to find with very little research. Most people are going to point you to Pharma Grade only PCT and that is very easy to locate as well. You may do some research and ask around for some opinions, I myself am not too sure how important PCT will be for someone at your age depending if you plan on TRT or not. Again, I'm new so don't take my opinions for anything more than opinions, but there are experts to give you better advice than I will probably ever be able to right here on this board. Good Luck and Enjoy Meso!
 
Welcome bro. The deca may work for you. I'm going to use it in trt for the same reason. Joints get achy.

Enjoy Mesorx, some good peeps here.
 
Welcome. At that dose you may not need pct. Did you do blood work prior to starting? Do you plan on getting blood work mid term and about 5-6 weeks after stoping the cycle? The dose is not a trt dose but many have restarted without pct while on a low cycle such as yours. Just be sure to not return to a cycle until you have restarted and stabilized for awhile. Meso has a forum on pct and in the Underground there is an active source for pharm grade pct products if you should need them. Good luck.
 
Out of curiousity what was your baseline Test level?

I'll have to get back to you on the exact numbers when I get home, I'm at work. Oddly I talk to my doctor about what I was going to do off the record and the reason for obtaining my test levels. He stated that your body's test level fluctuats depending on the time of day. So depending on when you take it will depend on what your numbers are. So he told me that if I came in there with a test level of 100 or 1500 then he would know becomes that's a big jump. He said it's more of an idea of your test because it change during the coarse of a day. So if I go in and my Number are 700 that doesn't nessesarly mean it's low becuase my first level was 900.
 
Welcome bro. The deca may work for you. I'm going to use it in trt for the same reason. Joints get achy.

Enjoy Mesorx, some good peeps here.

Thanks I'm glad to be here. Yes that's what my buddy said. That Deca works wonders with the joints. I'm just hoping I don't retain to much water. Thanks again.
 
Welcome. At that dose you may not need pct. Did you do blood work prior to starting? Do you plan on getting blood work mid term and about 5-6 weeks after stoping the cycle? The dose is not a trt dose but many have restarted without pct while on a low cycle such as yours. Just be sure to not return to a cycle until you have restarted and stabilized for awhile. Meso has a forum on pct and in the Underground there is an active source for pharm grade pct products if you should need them. Good luck.

Yes I did blood work before starting. I didn't plan on doing it during my cycle. I'm monitoring my blood pressure though. I will probably get blood work done when I'm finished. So you suggest getting blood work done during the cycle. Will a cycle make your numbers change a lot. I'm new to the whole gear world. Man the term restart and stabilize scares me. What exactly do you mean by restart and stabilize with out me sounding slow for asking such a question. So my manhood is going to shut down, off like a light switch? That's not good. I'm hoping my dose is low enough. It's weird because my buddy has never known anyone who has used pct or things to prevent gyno during cycle. It's crazy to me because all I see is that you need it. It's like who do you believe, one who is next to you doing it or the masses that say you do need it. I know I should have it at least for a precaution. He says I'm worrying for nothing. I'm just over analytical and will research myself in a circle. I've been searching on here. How long should I wait before another cycle? I'm going to run Deca and test e. Something low like 350ml of test e and 250ml of Deca. Again I'm new at this so I could be wrong in my thought. I'm only looking for a little advantage, I'm not tying to be the biggest on the world. I'm trying to minimize how much I use to be as safe as possible if that exists. Thanks
 
It's weird because my buddy has never known anyone who has used pct or things to prevent gyno during cycle.

Famous last words from a moron. Don't take anything for granted. He may be saying that as he knows the test is severly underdosed or it's just oil. He probably doesn't have a clue of the true doseage or even if it's test.

Natural production of test will be shut down as the body will not recognize a need to produce while supplementing test. In many cases of low dose test use and not extremely long cycles, it will recover on it's own. You have to give it time. A rough rule of thumb is off time equals on time, regarding your cycles. Blood work is key to determining if your natural production has restarted.

In any event, you should have an AI and pct products on hand before cycling, as everyone is different and you may be gyno prone or just a hard restarter. Be safe, not sorry. By the way, mid cycle bloods can give you a reasonable estimate of the quality of the test and how your E2 is resonding, along with several other issues that may be going on. Bro Science from Bro Morons can be life changing.
 
Famous last words from a moron. Don't take anything for granted. He may be saying that as he knows the test is severly underdosed or it's just oil. He probably doesn't have a clue of the true doseage or even if it's test.

Natural production of test will be shut down as the body will not recognize a need to produce while supplementing test. In many cases of low dose test use and not extremely long cycles, it will recover on it's own. You have to give it time. A rough rule of thumb is off time equals on time, regarding your cycles. Blood work is key to determining if your natural production has restarted.

In any event, you should have an AI and pct products on hand before cycling, as everyone is different and you may be gyno prone or just a hard restarter. Be safe, not sorry. By the way, mid cycle bloods can give you a reasonable estimate of the quality of the test and how your E2 is resonding, along with several other issues that may be going on. Bro Science from Bro Morons can be life changing.


Thanks again, yea I'm not taking anything for granted. That's what led me here because I have seen it enough to know its needed or I should at least have it on standby. I have some tamoxifen that he had on hand from someone who was doing it the right way but he never used them so it could just be his genetics. I can't see why he would miss lead me but no one will look out better for you then yourself. Thanks for all the info. Will getting my numbers read during cycle cause concern and added info in my file possibly preventing insurance coverage. I've seen that somewhere before too.
 
Famous last words from a moron. Don't take anything for granted. He may be saying that as he knows the test is severly underdosed or it's just oil. He probably doesn't have a clue of the true doseage or even if it's test.

Natural production of test will be shut down as the body will not recognize a need to produce while supplementing test. In many cases of low dose test use and not extremely long cycles, it will recover on it's own. You have to give it time. A rough rule of thumb is off time equals on time, regarding your cycles. Blood work is key to determining if your natural production has restarted.

In any event, you should have an AI and pct products on hand before cycling, as everyone is different and you may be gyno prone or just a hard restarter. Be safe, not sorry. By the way, mid cycle bloods can give you a reasonable estimate of the quality of the test and how your E2 is resonding, along with several other issues that may be going on. Bro Science from Bro Morons can be life changing.
 
I know this is a crazy question that I'm almost certain the answer but I am a newly. Have you heard of HCGenerate, it says it prevents shutdown during cycle. It's probably some garbage because it seems the only way to get PCT is from a prescription. There isn't anything that can possibly help that you can by with no worries? You know for someone in my case taking small cycles? I want to move to Europe, I wonder why the U.S. is so against big strong people.
 
I know this is a crazy question that I'm almost certain the answer but I am a newly. Have you heard of HCGenerate, it says it prevents shutdown during cycle. It's probably some garbage because it seems the only way to get PCT is from a prescription. There isn't anything that can possibly help that you can by with no worries? You know for someone in my case taking small cycles? I want to move to Europe, I wonder why the U.S. is so against big strong people.
Save your money!
 
I know this is a crazy question that I'm almost certain the answer but I am a newly. Have you heard of HCGenerate, it says it prevents shutdown during cycle. It's probably some garbage because it seems the only way to get PCT is from a prescription. There isn't anything that can possibly help that you can by with no worries? You know for someone in my case taking small cycles? I want to move to Europe, I wonder why the U.S. is so against big strong people.
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/n2bm-evo-hcgenerate-hcg-scam-warning.134367770/
 
The deca may work for you. I'm going to use it in trt for the same reason. Joints get achy.
BP check out scallys posts in the "AAS and joints/tendons" sticky on the steroid forum.
Nandrolone can be slightly detrimental to tendons, such as inhibiting heavy load adaptation.
I cant be fucked linking all his posts in there but its around page 12.
 
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