There are none for marijuana with current testing methodologies.
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There are none for marijuana with current testing methodologies.
Do many places use the latest tech? He said it was just a panel test...?
Surely that has a few false positives? Probably the cheapest option, no?
Surely that has a few false positives? Probably the cheapest option, no?
I think the term false positive is misleading to the OP and other readers here.
Just as an example, let's say I eat a poppy seed muffin and I get popped for a urine analysis and I test positive for opiates even though I haven't taken any opiates. This is a false positive, even though as doc mentioned this kind of thing really doesn't happen anymore to my knowledge.
Now if I'm smoking weed and I get popped for THC on the urine analysis and I tell the testing facility, "Well shit I don't smoke weed! Must be from the ibuprofen I've been taking and giving a false positive." Again, just an example, that will lead to the lab submitting the sample to further analysis and confirming THC metabolites in the sample and effectively prove you're lying. It isn't a false positive if you really do have it in your system is my point lol. You're not going to tell a lab tech you took this or that and them just chalk a positive test up to a false positive. It's their job to catch you - some people can beat the system, where there is a will there is a way, but it's rare plain and simple.
Just as an example, let's say I eat a poppy seed muffin and I get popped for a urine analysis and I test positive for opiates even though I haven't taken any opiates. This is a false positive, even though as doc mentioned this kind of thing really doesn't happen anymore to my knowledge.
Now if I'm smoking weed and I get popped for THC on the urine analysis and I tell the testing facility, "Well shit I don't smoke weed! Must be from the ibuprofen I've been taking and giving a false positive." Again, just an example, that will lead to the lab submitting the sample to further analysis and confirming THC metabolites in the sample and effectively prove you're lying. It isn't a false positive if you really do have it in your system is my point lol. You're not going to tell a lab tech you took this or that and them just chalk a positive test up to a false positive. It's their job to catch you - some people can beat the system, where there is a will there is a way, but it's rare plain and simple.
Spooby
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@Eman I can't find a cheap enough outpatient facility for this... I'm debating highly on coming clean, I've never really been a dishonest person. If I get a positive reading I may just say I ate several edibles on a Friday, say, the 29th of April would seem about right? That my job performance is not affected what so ever by a one time thing to have fun on a weekend, and I shouldn't lose my job over it.
You can try...I don't think I'd jump the gun and come clean until you know you've failed though. It's still possible you'll make it through this with a positive, which you gotta admit will be pretty funny. If you come clean, plead your case and ask for forgiveness it's all in the employer's hands really.
The rehab route is the only way I really know to have legal rights to keep your job which is why I suggested it.
At the very least, I would tell them you need help if the hammer really comes down. It's possible they will pay... Hell they might be required to, this is getting a little technical legally for me here... Ive never quite encountered this scenario in my professional experience I'm just aware of some particular protocols in the event of a drug fail. That way if you get terminated you can file for unemployment. You'll probably get denied initially but file an appeal. You'll have a hearing where you'll have to go sit in front of your employer and an unemployment judge in a conference room. Tell the judge you had a problem, you asked for help, the employer denied you and fired you for the failed test even though it had never affected your performance in any way. Your employer will have a tough argument ahead of them at that point from a legal standpoint. Also, if you were never formally notified of the companies drug policy you can claim you didn't know you were risking your job but be careful there... Basically if it goes to a hearing the judge should ask you if you knew about the drug policy... Say no.
Spooby
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Well from what I understand about the policy, it's there for anyone to read, and I technically SHOULD know it. I can't recall but it's possible that I signed paperwork acknowledging I understand it and would abide by it. This was years ago though
master.on
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That's why he should REFUSE the test altogether. They would assume the OP is afraid of a "false positive" for amphetamines due to selegiline while ignoring it is actually pot.
He should state that the test will give a false result that won't reflect reality, and such false result may harm his career so that's why he won't take the test at all so he's waiting for his doctor to switch meds for him.
While they can hire and fire at will, the OP has a valid argument that may have LEGAL consequences as the employer may fear the OP might well win a lawsuit for firing an employee for refusing a drug test just because of fear of a possible FALSE positive because of a legally prescribed med.
So I believe they will give him a chance and at least he can gain time to come clean and pass the test.
I'm almost certain they will at least take some time to think about it and discuss it in a meeting. Again the OP wins more time.
In the worst case scenario It is much better (or lesser evil) to get fired for refusing a drug test than taking the test and fail it.
I've heard employers share drug test results.
Spooby
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I don't think this was random at all... I haven't touched weed since I was in high school up until around when I started this cycle and started seeing this new chick, then I suddenly get popped. What the fuck? ya know?
Spooby
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And no, I can't refuse, it gives them immediate grounds for termination. I read the paperwork
No... Lol.
Spooby
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I've read the t/a for medtox labs is like 24-48 hours, if I don't get a call by the end of today or tomorrow I don't know whether I should be worried still or not. They have a number I could call to check, but I don't know of a witty question to ask to not make it appear like I'm guilty and checking to see if I passed
master.on
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Yes you can and should refuse it.
That's why I advise to submit that "false positive" BS in writing. It is a special case scenario that will need to be discussed in a meeting.
Again it's better to get fired for refusing the test than to get fired for failing it.
A failed test will mean IMMEDIATE termination and maybe legal/career consequences for life there's no way around it.
A refused test with a VALID ARGUMENT (the "false positive") is debatable.
Spooby
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Let's just hope I passed
No it is not debatable. You cannot refuse the test and argue it after. refusing a test is also grounds for IMMEDIATE termination. Besides, the false positive only show up on radioimmunoassay. If that comes back as a fail they verify the results with LC/MS which will not report false positives. Bottom line is you are wrong about this.
Spooby
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If I didn't, I will quit before getting fired.Won't sign any paperwork.
I don't recommend it. Again, if you want the chance to fall back on unemployment money, do not quit let them fire you. But DO be cautious of signing anything.
D-Ballin
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Just sit on your hands for now. The threshold on a lot of these panels is not that sensitive. You can get away with some shit on the pass/fail portions. I've passed pre employments that I sure as hell shouldn't have.
If you do pop for it, you'll have a chance to plead your case. Just chill for now. Go lift some weights or something, don't stress it. Not a damned thing you can do if you can't afford an IOP program.
Feel your pain on the financials though. Just lost a job myself, for the same financial situation. Of course, the details were very different, and I deserved the canning. But damn rehab is expensive nowadays.
If you do pop for it, you'll have a chance to plead your case. Just chill for now. Go lift some weights or something, don't stress it. Not a damned thing you can do if you can't afford an IOP program.
Feel your pain on the financials though. Just lost a job myself, for the same financial situation. Of course, the details were very different, and I deserved the canning. But damn rehab is expensive nowadays.
Spooby
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Well... usually when you get fired they want you to sign paperwork, I would think the reason I'm being fired would be on it, right? Wouldn't that stick with me for life? If I don't sign anything it would be an awkward stand off I suppose... Idk how that would go
Spooby
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Thank you for the feedback y'all... you're my second family. Just really sucks this shit is happening. I'm still shocked I got popped like this...never expected it.
I would not sign anything. They have no legal right to force you to sign anything.
As far as it following you for life, it's very unlikely to be honest. It hasn't been my experience in the least bit anyways.
